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kaanibaa
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 Posted - 28 Apr 2013 : 15:38:48
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What is clear is as others see in crystals
Yet others do see clearly through prisms
The varied hues of light that shine through it
Not simple arrays of a beautiful light show
But the conundrum of truth which others try to own
Or shall we say monopolize
On a plain that serves the ego
Reclines the indolent persona
Trying to portray a status of sublimity
Which in fact is amiss
Nothing there at all to show
Taking us back to the naked emperor and his folks
A man hijacked a system
Failing in the end to hold on
Due to pressure flees the field of battle
Behind him he left a host of battle scars
Some died without knowing why
Others maimed innocent as victims
Yet others get on with life
As if nothing ever went wrong
Now he stands to claim honor
Perhaps due to lost memory
But we certainly remember 81
He came without our consent
With his claim and his clan
Memories of which July still remain
Vicarious liability hangs on his shoulder
For the harm that was done
And sorry is not enough
To cleanse the wounds and damage done
Crystals are clear to some
But to others it comes in hues of colors
This is life interpreting events
Over which no one has monopoly
We shall wait for justice till it comes
Till then let no one say
There was justice in what happened in 81
"Coz" we were not consulted
And no one had the mandate to hurt us so
So badly then or thereafter
In these ways we do remember
The pains of Chief Inspector Keekally Baldeh
The horrible death of sergeant Alhaji Jobe
Who were gunned down early in the day
Followed by others who now lay
In an unmarked grave on the Atlantic coast
The reason for which was not crystal clear
Or was it.......
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 : 15:57:29
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| Shall I add here that though it seems so far away ; 1981 was a horrible experience for many people, some died others lost limbs or family members for what , they had no idea. If Kukoie ; as he claims was not responsible for the resultant harm visited on our country and its people as it now seems to be peddled by some guys, I do not see how any one can blame Yahya Jammeh..Beats my dumb brains how he could calmly claim that he killed no one not even an animal except two sheep for charity ...hey men picking up arms along with taxi drivers and other hooligans to unseat a democratic government which lead us in peace for many years was not an innocent act. The result was many deaths injuries some disappearances and rapes but here he comes up with claims of innocence..Damn short memories that we may have but this one incident or series of incidents remain on my mind and will be there for life. Any one who takes up arms the way kukoie did should have calculated the effect(s) of his acts and this include what could happen as a result..in this case innocent lives were lost, people who were simply workers in the service were butchered as mentioned and these two were early victims of that day...so brother get this straight you ain't innocent.Even if you personally did not kill those persons your action triggered that result and therefore are to blame. |
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Momodou
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 : 16:40:35
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We too are watching this unfolding movie, crystal clear. The 1981 trauma that Gambia went through is still hunting many. May the lost souls rest in peace. Although we were not there, we saw the distress of the aftermath when we came there the year after. Really, some people have a short memory.
Thank you for the reminder. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 : 17:01:17
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| Indeed brother perhaps in the frenzy of the urgent calls for regime change some are rushing to embrace this monstrous character, some though ask what he stands for. I think in all honesty this portrays two extremes none of which we deserve as a nation of good persons, or am i too simple to notice that we are not so "good" as persons erm.....lets wait and see where all these leads to . Hopefully it wont be to the city or situation of had we known which literally speaking cannot be true under these circumstances.Another physical depiction of a drowning man clutching onto a straw cannot more aptly describe this scenario ..my God are we so or that helpless...? |
Edited by - kaanibaa on 28 Apr 2013 17:13:37 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 : 23:39:41
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Originally posted by kaanibaa
.....my God are we so or that helpless...?
1. YES WE ARE "HELPLESS", DESPERATE, HOPELESS AND POWERLESS DEALING WITH BARBARIC TYRANT JAMMEH, STATE TERROR AND PUPPET APRC REGIME 
2. FATEFUL 1981 WHEN KUKOI DE-STABILISED THE GOVERNMENT OF JAWARA MAYHEM ENSUED BUT THERE ARE DIVIDED OPINIONS ON THE EVENTS; UNTIL POSSIBLY SETTING UP A "TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION" TO GATHER TESTIMONIES AND THE FACTS; IRREFUTABLE, ABSOLUTE AND INCONTROVERTIBLE "TRUTH" GATHERED IN NATIONAL INTERESTS, FIT THE PIECES TO SOLVE THE COMPLEX JIG SAW PUZZLE OF A TURBULENT POLITICAL HISTORY, FOR JUSTICE TO VICTIMS AND POSTERITY
3. AS "ARMS INSURRECTION AND MILITARY OPERATIONS" IS ON THE AGENDA OF DEALING WITH DICTATOR JAMMEH "THROUGH ANY MEANS NECESSARY"; KUKOI WHO MAINTAINED THAT HE IS A REVOLUTIONARY, SUMMONING COURAGE FOR DISSIDENTS TO UNITE AND SALVAGE THE NATION, DECLARED THAT HE IS READY TO BE THE "SACRIFICIAL LAMB", STANDS A BETTER CHANCE AS AN EAGLE TO "NICK" JAMMEH FROM KANILAI AND GENERAL TO COMMAND MILITARY OPERATIONS AND APPEAR TO BE MORE "GENUINE LIBERATOR" THAN ARM-CHAIR POLITICIAN SIDIA BAYO AND SO-CALLED NTCG.
4. THANKS ONCE AGAIN FOR THESE EXCELLENT POLITICAL POEMS!
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Apr 2013 : 06:08:55
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1.ON "CRYSTAL" CLEAR A.K.A "KUKOI" WITH Related topic: "A Week of Hell" launched in Minnesota
2. JALAMANG HAS HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AS QUOTED
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"You guys have to appreciate that a saint will never come down to rescue situation neither is it going to be a Shakespeare."- by Jalamang.
COMMENT SOURCE: "GAMBIA NEEDS GENUINE LIBERATORS"
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Momodou
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Posted - 30 Apr 2013 : 10:32:01
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Originally posted by kobo
JALAMANG HAS HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AS QUOTED
Kobo, so do you believe Kukoi is the one to liberate us? At least this is what I understand from your recent postings. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 May 2013 : 00:49:56
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| Thanks Kobo for the input , clearly you do have a point of view which is diametrically opposite to my own and I respect that. What perhaps was not clear to me is whether you personally suffered during the 81 failed putsch as I did and nearly lost my life. I witnessed many atrocities and like I posited earlier the one or ones who initiated the act bear responsibility as in cause and effect as it were. Kukoie might mot have directly shot at any one but his culpability lies in the area of what in legal terms is called vicarious liability. An example of that is in the case of some one driving a car , or in charge of any any object animate or inanimate , he or she bears responsibility of ensuring that such object does not in any way harm others, whether or not he intended to harm is immaterial. The fact of the matter is that as the leader of that coup, he should have born in mind the consequences of carrying arms and attacking an armed garrison.Yahya Jammeh can credited for getting through his coup with no loss of life albeit the follow up of unexplained deaths and disappearances in the aftermath.For our purposes Kukoie started his action which saw deaths of the two I mentioned. Mind you brother Keekally was not in camp at the time wheread Sergeant Jobe was in camp..what made them die so early is the key question. A, sorry but its not gonna be an easy ride for your candidate |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 May 2013 : 07:08:33
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Originally posted by Momodou
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Originally posted by kobo
JALAMANG HAS HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AS QUOTED
Kobo, so do you believe Kukoi is the one to liberate us? At least this is what I understand from your recent postings.
Momodou.
KUKOI IS NOT ONLY ONE TO LIBERATE US. I ENDORSE WHAT JALAMANG POSITED ABOVE FULLY AND BELIEVE THAT KUKOI IS A GENUINE LEADER OF ARM FRONT UNDER HIS COMMAND FOR MILITARY TACTICAL OPERATIONS TO FORCEFULLY REMOVE JAMMEH FROM POWER. AM HIGHLY IMPRESSED AND CONVINCE WITH HIS POLITICAL SERMONS; THAT WE SHOULD RALLY TOGETHER FIGHT THIS OPPRESSIVE REGIME. HE DOES NOT CLAIM ANY LEADERSHIP IN THE STRUGGLE TO SALVAGE THE NATION; AS HE AWAITS FULL SUPPORT OF THE CITIZENS, COMBATIVE RESOURCES AND BE GIVEN CLEAR "REVOLUTIONARY" ORDERS TO STRIKE ON JAMMEH MILITARILY. A WISHFUL THINKING |
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kobo
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Posted - 04 May 2013 : 07:10:43
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Originally posted by kaanibaa
"Thanks Kobo for the input , clearly you do have a point of view which is diametrically opposite to my own and I respect that."
Thanks Kaaniba for your input. These interactions are give and take, continuously learning from each other; benefiting all of us.
Yes there are different points of views from other Gambians and 1981 events had produced a complex political situation; yet to be closed in annals of Gambian politics and closure for certain families. Those relevant inputs are for reflection on the divided opinions, critically and ingeniously conceptualize in;
The Riddle of Kukoie -By Cherno Baba Jallow
"What perhaps was not clear to me is whether you personally suffered during the 81 failed putsch as I did and nearly lost my life. I witnessed many atrocities and like I posited earlier the one or ones who initiated the act bear responsibility as in cause and effect as it were."
Yes my mum nearly shot at doorstep of our compound by late Alieu Sallah (trigger happy comedian alleged to have killed indiscriminately), who threatened her when my mum I understand was roaming around our street looking for me and clashed with him. I nearly lost my life at Yundum airport and had a miracle escape in the midst of Senegal military intervention raid. Truthfully amongst last that witnessed Kukoi in hands of Senegal inside the airport; escorted by us (stubborn youths) after his radio exchange with Abdou Joof friday evening; last seen and Kukoi's last contact
"Kukoie might mot have directly shot at any one but his culpability lies in the area of what in legal terms is called vicarious liability. An example of that is in the case of some one driving a car , or in charge of any any object animate or inanimate , he or she bears responsibility of ensuring that such object does not in any way harm others, whether or not he intended to harm is immaterial. The fact of the matter is that as the leader of that coup, he should have born in mind the consequences of carrying arms and attacking an armed garrison."
I understand your point that "vicarious liability is When one person is liable for the negligent actions of another person" but relying on the legal term of "vicarious liability" (Law of Tort) is very weak to bring Kukoi politically to justice and accountable for all loss of lives and properties; as leader of 1981 coup. I wonder to what extent he may be liable under Common law?
"Under common law, a member of a conspiracy can be held vicariously liable for the crimes of his co-conspirators if the crimes committed by the co-conspirators were foreseeable and if they were committed with the intent of furthering the objective of the conspiracy." Mark the key words and qualification; "if the crimes committed by the co-conspirators were foreseeable and if they were committed with the intent of furthering the objective of the conspiracy"? I seek to be excuse and beg to leave it with the legal experts
However on radio Kukoi had apologized to Gambians and declared that he is ready to face any prosecution for 1981; after nation is salvage from tyranny under dictator Jammeh because politically Jammeh and APRC regime does not have the moral or legal authority to try him. Also I think Kukoi is already granted amnesty for treasonable and subversive acts of 1981. If amnesty is not granted a credible government can prosecute him but cannot punish him for treason and subversive acts because the first republic is gone and what remains are considerations of dealing with any campaign for personal vendetta, retribution, truth and reconciliation commission; which are civil issues as we all hope and pray to live (including Kukoi staying alive) witnessing third republic?
In court of law, circumstances of each case is considered but two strange characters ("Deathbeforehonour" or "DBH" and "Rudeboy" with courtesy of Hello Gambia) posted an interesting fictitious narrative to implicate and strangle Kukoi inescapable to be punished; COMMENTS FORWARDED AS FOLLOWS:
- DBH STATED:"kukoi supporters need to reminded that the CRIMINALS were released from prison and the asylums and ARMED BY KUKOI and his mob."
- Rude Boy SAYS: “the killings were not done by Koukoi those who killed their brothers or cousin’s took the chances of the coup to justify their bad deeds. So please stop blaming KoukoI”
- DBH REPLY:
"IF YOU POISON A WELL AND PEOPLE DIE FROM DRINKING THE WATER.
THEY DID NOT KILL THEMSELVES BY DRINKING POISON.
THE OWNER OF THE WELL DID NOT KILL THEM,
THE WELL DIGGER DID NOT KILL THEM.
WITCHCRAFT DID NOT KILL THEM.
YOU WHO PLACED THE POISON THERE KILLED THEM.
SO I SAY YOU KUKOI KILLED THE VICTIMS OF 1981 VIOLENCE AS HE PLACED THE MEANS OF DEATH IN THE HANDS OF KILLERS.
AFTER THE KILLINGS IN RWANDA NOT ONLY THE KILLERS WERE TRIED BUT RADIO COMMENTATORS, MINISTERS, PREACHERS ETC THAT GOADED OR SUPPLIED THE WEAPONS TO THE KILLERS JOINED THEM IN THE DOCKS"
I would like to remind you the above fictitious narrative by DBH appear very interesting but 1981 may not be straight forward as depicted in narrative for conclusive evidence to indict Kukoi on generally everything that happened; with dynamic politics at play and Law very complex; indictable offence involving prosecution of a serious crime that the prosecutor can charge by bringing evidence of it and defence against it.
Kukoi is still a political fugitive, State enemy no.1 of second republic but cannot be prosecuted for treason and subversive acts because the first republic is gone and second republic is about its national security eyeful of the much feared Kukoi (to curb any potential threat and subversive activities). In effect what remains are considerations of dealing with any campaign for personal vendetta, retribution, truth and reconciliation commission; which are mainly considered civil issues.
We need to be clear on these;
"Criminal law involves prosecution by the government of a person for an act that has been classified as a crime."
"Civil cases, on the other hand, involve individuals and organizations seeking to resolve legal disputes."
"In a criminal case, the state, through a prosecutor, initiates the suit, while in a civil case the victim brings the suit. Persons convicted of a crime may be incarcerated, fined, or both. However, persons found liable in a civil case may only have to give up property or pay money, but are not incarcerated."
"Yahya Jammeh can credited for getting through his coup with no loss of life albeit the follow up of unexplained deaths and disappearances in the aftermath.For our purposes Kukoie started his action which saw deaths of the two I mentioned. Mind you brother Keekally was not in camp at the time wheread Sergeant Jobe was in camp..what made them die so early is the key question. A, sorry but its not gonna be an easy ride for your candidate."
Sorry to say not my candidate but many Gambians prefer Kukoi to be part of the revolution, lead as the General of our arms liberation front and liberate us from Jammeh. The political balance has tilted in Kukoi's favour with the spirit of REVOLUTION rising and Kukoi singing from same hymn book with dissidents, sermons on courage, unity and fight against dictatorship; GETTING RID OF JAMMEH with war cry "THROUGH ANY MEANS NECESSARY".
Why can't WE (Gambian people) step up, speak up, rise up to fight for our rights, freedom; revolt against dictatorship, abuse of power and Yaya Jammeh's impunity for atrocities
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"You guys have to appreciate that a saint will never come down to rescue situation neither is it going to be a Shakespeare."- by Jalamang.
COMMENT SOURCE: "GAMBIA NEEDS GENUINE LIBERATORS"
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
1169 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2013 : 22:22:50
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| Yes I see sense in some if not all yours stances , however for the man to redeem himself my position is that a simple sorry is not enough considering the many or multiple scores on the historical board . Taking into consideration the feelings of others I am willing to wait and see where all this ends,fearful of a catastrophe but perhaps this would be due to inborn fear which I got from that bad experience. KUKOIE for me still remains an enigma and am sorry but I passionately oppose his return as it is being projected. Again , this is personal and our national interests take, as they rightly should a precedence and I respect that and so I attach to that a very heartfelt decree. Let no one stand up as a single person to decide for a majority without being democratically mandated to do so. Respect brother Kobo. |
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Momodou
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Posted - 05 May 2013 : 14:34:04
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Originally posted by kaanibaa
Let no one stand up as a single person to decide for a majority without being democratically mandated to do so.
Kaani, I agree with you entirely. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
1169 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2013 : 02:44:36
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| A general of an armed wing such as Kukoie as posited by bro Kobo is what ideally sits well on a fancy tray for the consumption of the gullible..can kukoie tell us when he left Gambia on that faithful Friday 1981,,,,surely he did not spend the night there as he fled to Bissau after telling his coup followers or fellows in camp ; Depot precisely that he was going to get re-enforcement to fight against the Senegalese army which was disturbing his movement. It is very sad but laughable that a commander in chief who for all he did and now claims to have succeeded in becoming head of state of The Gambia, never actually sat down in the seat of presidency enough let alone create a government to rule as it were. When Commander Bojang fell all broke lose, they started arming civilians ; which was previously being actively resisted by the rebels as I now termed them. so many of the said civilians ended up either shooting themselves or their mates due to ignorance about how to operate the guns and in safety too. |
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kobo
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