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jambo
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 Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 21:07:42
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All african leaders should be tried on african soil, funding could come from europe.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 21:13:53
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| There are enough funds to try them in Africa. I hate begging |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 21:25:52
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| kons that would be nice, BUT take for example taylor, which african country would you ask to pay for the trial. I do not know who would foot the bill. Secondly it is not begging, there are funds in place for this kinds of situation. I would hate this case to fall apart because some could not pay legal fees, or pay for the supporting staff. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 21:30:58
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| Then we are not committed to it. The reality is most governments fear sponsoring beacuse they have similar fates waiting for the. It is like digging one's own grave. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 00:17:21
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| Taylor can face trials in south Africa or Senegal. |
There is no god but Allah |
Edited by - LEMON TIME on 06 Jul 2006 14:58:48 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 00:31:29
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| How about in Zimbabwe |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 00:45:39
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| yea and Morroco |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 01:01:11
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| what about Sudan? |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 01:04:56
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Hey
NYINEH KARAFA NETEH TU |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 15:55:26
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Hey my friends,
Let us not be fools.I belief Habre should face justice for crimes commited during his tenure as president of his people and against anybody.But I belief crimes against his people should come first. not so?
Infact was it Habre alone who should face justice for crimes against humanity?
What about:
Maghesto Haile Mariam,Babangida,Ould Dada,Arab Moi,Dawda Jawara,Buhari,Abdou Joof,Jafar Numeri ect ect?
Also why truth and reconciliation for south Africa and not for other countries where huamn rights had been violated beyond redemption?It was not south African's ideas to have a truth and reconciliation,it was imposed on them.They really wanted to try some people for crimes but noway some are better than others.
What hypocricy is this?
the worst crimes on the surface of our continent were committed by the Apartheid regime with thousands dead discriminated killed and given to lions to feed on
yet when it became inevitable that the ANC would get power by any means,interfering voices started crying for truth and reconciliation.Why not some pay for those worst crimes?
But as my dear great sister Serenata rightly said about Rwanda,
Why even after the genocide,there was no truth and reconciliation to bring the people back together but as I rightly believed it should,now some are now paying for their crimes against humanity.Thats the right thing and only that can bring some form of ease on the pain suffered by victims of violence.[/size=1]
peace
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 16:20:01
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| Janyanfara all these Dictators should be Punish by the criminal law. |
There is no god but Allah |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 17:48:57
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| the question is not the country but who pays the bill |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2006 : 13:36:31
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we were not divided and manipulated to the extent rwandans were. belgiums are responsible for that massacre, hands down! a man who throws away a lit cigarette which in turn turns into a fire and hurts someone is responsible. in this case, that man would be belgium.
Kassa
using one ethnic group against the other was a successful method used during the colonial era everywhere. Infact the British are open about it and they called it INDIRECT RULE. Lord Lugard used this effectively to win Nigeria for the British Empire. it was used all over even in India.
you argument sounds like the old age African line of finding excuses. So far the evidence from the Genocide Trials have shown that the main cause of the Rwanda genocide was government/military officals together with the militias/intarahamwehs were using the media (mainly radio) to encourage people to fight. this was the main problem.
belgium never told anybody to cut anyone into pieces. if it did them the Afircans who listened are the bigger fools. what if it happens again are you going to blame Belgium for throwing a second cigarette?
Alhassan i agree there is a security risk. but i think for countries that come out of war/genocide part of the solution is for them to have the political courage to face the past. its very important for the victims for Justice to be done or seen to be done . due to the gravity of these crimes they are usually a violation of International Law and hence the courts are always temporary,special and not based on the local legal system. there are exceptions like in Truth & Reconciliation Comm (TRC). in S.Africa which was enacted by the government under Mandela to grant amnesty. hence murders are walking free in Cape town but this was done in the spirit of forgiveness. i must say that there are those who didnt collaborate with the TRC and nothing has come of it such as PW Botha the former president under Apartheid. each country must find its solution.
infact if money is the issue it is cheaper to hold the trials locally as you can get more witnesses to come forward. imagine the cost of flying thousands of people to Europe to give evidence. it will reach a point where costs will be a limiting factor at the expense of Justice
i personally think Liberia/Sierra Leone has made a mistake by not trying Taylor under African soil. it sends the wrong message to the current and future Dictators. |
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kassma
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Posted - 12 Jul 2006 : 18:33:57
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hahaha, that was funny Njucks, but my point is, if the belgiums had manipulated rwandans the way they did, this would never had happened. this is a case similar to the batter wife syndrome, after being abused by someone repeatly, someone is going to lash out, and the hutus did even when the whole abuse had ended. the resentment and deep hate some felt for the tutsis would not have been there wasn't it for belguiums. even though they are not directly responsible for the genecide, they were responsible indirectly and in the most important way since they started everything
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 13 Jul 2006 : 01:06:35
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| Hahlee bi. |
There is no god but Allah |
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