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kisley
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toubab1020
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 Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 10:34:03
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| Kislkey,Thanks for the link showing the UK of 100 years ago,in the days of The British Empire and the truth of life for the average Brit. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 20:24:07
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| turk ,check out kisley's link, |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 20:29:53
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| Why. Do you have your grandmother there? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 21:37:43
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| I loved the pictures by the way. I am so much interested in old pictures. In fact, I have my own collection of my ancestor and the towns they are coming from. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 21:45:58
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My grandmother wasn't even born then turk,the reason that I wanted you to see those pics is that they showed the conditions that the average Britain was living under in the heyday of Empire.
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Why. Do you have your grandmother there?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 21:54:21
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Touby
OK, I saw them. What is your point? Are you saying Brits are poor and suffered even though they colonized half of the world? Where did all the wealth gone? Moon? Beside, when you say average, what do you mean? And if that is British average, tell me possible description of African, Indians.... Looking forward to hearing your response. For example, if brits were like this, can you estimate possible conditions of Gambian, for example. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 23:49:09
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I think Kisley is trying to say that ordinary english people were poor and living in difficult conditions. it was upper class families that benefited directly from colonialism, even though all english people benefited indirectly.
In all discussions of English history we need to be aware of the different experiences of different classes.
I also think this is a reason for optimism for Gambia. Within my 98 year old Grandmothers life time she has gone from a small house with one room downstairs and one room upstairs with an outside loo and a pump for water.
The uk has progressed so much in the past 100 years. I feel that gives hope to Gambia. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 00:55:34
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gambiabev,you have said it all thanks.turk missed the bit where I wrote "the truth of life for the average Brit." and wants to engage in questioning and not understanding syndrome that he suffers from,anyway I found this on the WWW and no turk I havn't read it but its political,I thought that it might help you to sleep
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp99/rp99-111.pdf |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 01:44:39
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I have just a few words for you.
100 years ago. And today.
Touby I found this for you. Unlike your worthless link, this visual pictures have the meaning more than words. Hope you won't have any nightmare, from the guilt.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 02:05:39
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I have seen very similar of these pictures. The only difference was these pictures African children working, cleaning, babysitting, selling what British children did 100 years ago. Today. As we speak now. I guess this would be enough to respond to your meaningless argument.
UK has progressed so much. I hope Gambia will do the same. This is a joke right? Comparing the colonial power UK to colonized Gambia is absolutely ridiculous.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 02:53:17
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no turk, comparing work done by children 100 years ago in the UK, to the work done by children in 2011 in........!!
children are the same and shouldn't be doing such work that is what is "absolutely ridiculous."
My political reading link on "A Century of Change:Trends in UK statistics since 1900" didn't interest you.It outlined progress in a country over 100 years.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 03:10:36
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no turk, comparing work done by children 100 years ago in the UK, to the work done by children in 2011 in........!!
Ha..What... Sorry your sentence is incomplete. What are you saying?
Touby. Do not ignore what I am saying. Did i give you any impression that I don't care about the British children about 100 years ago. Can't you see my point here. We are in 2011 and we have children in Africa who have similar circumstances with British 100 years ago. And we don't have any situation for British children closer to 100 years ago in UK now. This does not mean anything to you? Your link outlines the progress, that is not helpful. Gambia does not have the resources UK has. Gambia does not got the money. There may be same problems, and they have the same ultimate objective for the nation but there would be different solutions for different realities. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 13:53:22
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| turk,100 years is the same in UK as in Africa,children are children,progress is progress,therefore it appears that progress in some parts of Africa,and some other countries outside Africa has not moved on in that 100 year timescale.A fact. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 14:34:58
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your thinking (fact) has mathematical error buddy. Let me simplify it for you.
Pictures 100 years old. Most African states get their independence in 1960s. So we have 50 years actually Africans get the independence. Brits have been independent for 1000+ years. Touby, your comments always based on lack of intelligence and facts.
The second flaw is to ignore the realities of Africa. British Empire has more than 50 times more resources to solve problems. African countries has 50 times less resource consider the GDP per capita. British had free resources and free labor for centuries. Africa not only they did not have free resources and free labor, they had to work and give their resources free to British. Britain build road, bridges, infrastructure, educated its population. Africa could not do that. So, 100 years ago, Britain has started the progress already more advanced than Africans.
So your so-called 'fact' is actually total BS which is what usually comes with your posting. If you are not considering all these facts and I give you one, resources issues. What are you saying is that Africans are dumb, they can't solve their problems. That is exactly what you are saying, and that is very unfair to Africans. In fact, that is racist. The problem of Africa is not the capability of African as individuals. It is the obstacles they have to overcome is too great, they are not capable to overcome bigger problem. Let me clarify this for 4 years old.
You have to solve a sudoku with the dimension of 4 column and 4 rows. And you have to solve a sudoku with dimension of 200 column and 200 rows. Capish?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 15:06:34
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"Africa not only they did not have free resources and free labor, they had to work and give their resources free to British. Britain build road, bridges, infrastructure, educated its population. Africa could not do that. So, 100 years ago, Britain has started the progress already more advanced than Africans."
Little has changed in Africa of today,( and no I am not going to explain further read your own words) progress is still stunted except under different administrations that exist in MOST African countries today.
I am not good at maths and I don't know anything about sudoku ,but facts are facts,so your word play has no effect on the word fact.
And thirdly the usual gem played against Europeans when those from other nations are losing the arguement "that is racist",
discuss if you want but do so sensibly without what you percieve to be extra ammunition.
And finally "Capish?" which I think means, do you understand .?. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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