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kisley
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toubab1020
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 Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 01:59:27
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Whatever turns you on is now allowed in this politically correct world,How can you argue with sincerely held religious beliefs ?  there you go politics again.Thanks for that. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 17 Jul 2011 : 22:41:36
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| The problem is secularism is abused and there is no clear definition. It is something between liberal secularism (Anglo) and radical secularism (Stalinist/French) |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 17 Jul 2011 : 23:18:31
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Turk
"there is no clear definition.It is something between liberal secularism (Anglo) and radical secularism (Stalinist/French)"
This applies to religions and to politics (in my opinion !)
I had no idea of what you meant so I looked it up.
http://www.liquida.com/secularism/liberal-secularism/
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226266/radical-secularism-militant-islamism/joseph-morrison-skelly
It is still totally confusing and I cannot understand at all,brilliant people please post,to me, all the stuff I have found is lots and lots of words ,common sense cannot be found,anyone bright enough to translate and discuss the links that I have found (very many on both "types" of stuff ) feel welcome to post.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 17 Jul 2011 : 23:35:40
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In summary.
Politics and Religion should be separated. But there are problems how you separate this. In radical secularism things like below happens.
1. Government ban religious symbols in schools. For example, France Islamic dress code is banned.
2. Soviet Union, religion had a lots of religious restrictions.
3. Forbiding of religious studies in schools.
The ideas like above is something about 'control'. Government wants to go into the area of religion and tries to control religion with motivation like preventing fundamentalism. For example, France is thinking that Islamic dress code is against human rights of women and it is helping the rise fundamentalism and terrorism.
Liberal Secularism has a principle of trusting individual. For the three example I have given. Their approach would be
1. Government does not have any control over Islamic rituals, dress code etc.
2. Government has no control over religion. For example, there is no religious institutions in Government, public has total control over religious affairs. For example, religious marriage is allowed.
3. While preserving public education, government does not involve with religious education if someone wants to study.
One is more control and restrictive the other more liberal. It is simple.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 17 Jul 2011 23:36:34 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 17 Jul 2011 : 23:39:25
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How this relates to original posting.
Government should not have any rules about pictures on the ID and religion. As long as the picture is identifiable, it should be fine. There should not be any ban, particularly religious symbol. Really, sometime government does not make sense. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Jul 2011 : 10:44:33
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Turk,
"One is more control and restrictive the other more liberal. It is simple."
Even more simple:
All Governments want to control everything. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 18 Jul 2011 10:44:54 |
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