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turk
USA
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 Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 17:23:13
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Oh yeah. Old masters please help us, I am begging you.....
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 17:57:26
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France and Italy to send Libya advisers
Sarkozy promises to ramp up air attacks after meeting rebel leader as nations join UK decision to send military team.
20 Apr 2011 14:35
 France and Italy are joining Britain in sending military officers to Libya to help advise rebels on technical, logistical and organisational issues.
Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, offered assistance to Abdel Jalil, the leader of the Libyan Transitional National Council, when they met in Paris on Wednesday.....Read more
European nations sending military officers say they will not train or arm rebel fighters in Libya [Reuters] |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 18:09:31
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Like it or not,the anti Gadaffi peoples do not have the skills to fight a superior and better trained fighting force that at present exists in the East of Libya,therefore help is being given in a form that it is believed by "The Old Masters " (as turk puts it )does not break the UN agreement at present in place.
Another reason for the devide in Libya, I understand, is on Tribal lines,there are tribes who are very loyal to Gadaffi in the east of Libya and there are other tribes in the West of Libya who have different loyalties.
Can a bantaba expert tell us who are ignorant about such matters if this is true ? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 13:21:24
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Allow me to explain.
UN has given only mandate for 'air zone control'. Not land attack, bombing, giving assistance. All of these actions taken by the old masters are not part of the un mandate. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 13:33:26
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Turk Its bloody because of Gaddafi's violent repulsion of the rebellion. A civil war was declared before moving tanks and air raids; in-discrimately striking in rebel strongholds
GADDAFI IS A MURDERER AND SHOULD FACE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY HOW COULD YOU KILL YOUR CITIZENS; ESPECIALLY FELLOW MUSLIMS TO PROTECT PRIVILEGES AND CLAIMING "RIGHT OF RULE"; WHEN YOU CAME THROUGH SAME POLITICAL TICKET OF UPRISING AGAINST AN OLD ORDER
HE WHO RULE BY THE SWORD SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY QUALMS TO DIE BY THE SWORD
WITHOUT FOREIGN INTERVENTION GADAFFI WOULD COMMIT MORE GENOCIDE DOES HE WANT TO RULE TILL DEATH IF THAT'S THE CASE LET HIM WAIT FOR IT, BECAUSE THE LIBYA HE PROUDLY BUILT ALREADY IN CARNAGE WITH HIS HANDLING OF THIS UPRISING |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 13:58:46
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I am no supporter of Gaddafi. I hope that tyrant goes to hell. But I know very well, UK and France has no sincere motivation to help, they have hidden agenda and revenge on Gaddafi on mind. The situation in Libya is also about tribal. That is all about power struggle. Do you think those tribes are democratic and they will give you more freedom to their people more than Gaddafi did. No. And there is nothing wrong with giving blood for the truly independence and freedom. I refer you to Malcolm X, American Independent war, Mandela, Palestine, Turkish war those who died for their families, countries. I would rather die while standing up, and do not get help from the enemy.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 15:06:27
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Turk Whatever hidden agenda foreign intervention is; Gaddafi over-stayed until signs of downfall emerged
LIBYA IS BETTER OFF NOW WITHOUT GADDAFI SO NO AMOUNT OF PROPAGANDA AND "BLOOD SACRIFICE" WOULD SAVE HIM, HIS FAMILY, REPUTATION AND REGIME SO SAVE YOUR LECTURES |
Edited by - kobo on 29 Apr 2011 15:53:50 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 16:00:07
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You misunderstood completely. Blood sacrifice by the people against tyranny. However, those who are not willing to sacrifice, let me repeat, they got the leaders they deserve. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 30 Apr 2011 15:38:41 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 17:19:05
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TURK. I UNDERSTAND NOW THAT YOU ARE NOT DEFENDING GADAFFI ON THAT NOTE
ALL HARD CORE TYRANTS (INCLUDING OUR NATION) WOULD RESIST ANY OVERTHREW OF GOVERNMENT AND TAKE SAME STANCE LIKE GADAFFI TO FIGHT (COMMANDING ARMED FORCES) AND STAY IN POWER; WITHOUT CARING FOR LOSSES OF LIVES IN GUISE OF NATIONAL SECURITY |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 17:53:15
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I am no defending any tyrant. I support the people's having the total power. When ready. Nothing will be given to you in silver plate. You must understand. Masses require to have 'heart' and 'collective intelligence' in order to make change. Some nations are not equipped; some are. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2011 : 00:48:24
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BREAKING NEWS:NATO'S ATTEMPT ON LIFE OF GADDAFFI RESULTED TO GADDAFI'S YOUNGEST SON SAIF AL ARAB GADDAFI (29 YEARS)AND THREE GRAND SONS KILLED IN NATO STRIKE RELATED BANTABA WORLD POLITICS TOPIC Son of Gaddafi and 3 others killed by NATO UNDER
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10809
BBC WITH GADDAFI; ""I have no official functions to give up - I will not leave my country and will fight to the death," he vowed."
BBC Libya: Rebels and Nato dismiss Gaddafi ceasefire offer UNDER http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13249923 |
Edited by - kobo on 01 May 2011 01:40:52 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 01 May 2011 : 03:31:43
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You and others do not see the potential damage of inviting foreign military power to deal with the domestic situation.
I condemned the attack. It is a violation of international law. NATO has done beyond UN Security mandate. It is a prejudicial punishment. Political assassination.
Call for international community to involve in domestic conflicts! This is very dangerous. Overwhelming political and economic power is already present great injustice for the world. The unbalanced military power makes everything much worse when selective. This kind of power can be very abusive if its act is legitimized. Especially when only one NATO soldier alone can be equal to thousands of African soldiers in terms of fighting capability. Yeah, one F-16 can beat whole Gambia.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 01 May 2011 07:16:44 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2011 : 12:34:12
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TURK! WITH "THE IMBALANCE OF MILITARY POWER"? SO WHAT ABOUT MILITARY STRATEGY OF GADDAFFI'S TROUPS AGAINST REBELS CAUSING MORE HAVOC AND OTHER COLLATERAL DAMAGES; MASSIVE BOMBARDMENTS, LOST FATHERS, MOTHERS, SONS, DAUGHTERS, FAMILIES TORN APART, PERSECUTION OF FELLOW MUSLIMS CONDEMNED AS "AL QAEDA"
YOU WANT THE WORLD TO WATCH GADDAFFI MASSACRE HIS OWN PEOPLE AND IMPOSE HIS RULE |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 01 May 2011 : 14:38:51
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| Looks like you don't get my point. Without international law framework, giving western power the political legitimacy to attack another country without any international legal ground is nothing but to accept the lawlessness in international politics. You don't get it, do you. UK, France does not care if Muslims die or Africans die. You are very naive. Actually you are naive, because you are powerless. You don't have any choice but to accept western political/military power. Like I said, Africa, Middle East does not have any power, military power in the international arena, so they are treated with no respect. France, UK, USA, NATO, Turkey are in this Libya business because of their hidden agenda, particularly UK is doing this for the revenge of Lockerbee bombing. Rebels are not fighting for democracy and human rights. They are fighting to get power. Rebels are not any more democratic and respect the human rights than Gaddafi. The western power involvement and support/promises to rebels made the situation to come to this point. It is typical western attitude, support one side in the name of 'democracy'. Don't make me laugh. If there was anything to be done, it should have been African Union, Arab League or Islamic Organization. Not your old master. Like I said, when there is a overwhelming unbalance of military power, one western soldier is equal to whole African army, you became desperate to get any kind of help at any price. Even from your old foe. That is a danger. I would rather trust my own rather than a stranger. I would go with the devil I know. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 01 May 2011 15:06:45 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2011 : 04:12:58
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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