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toubab1020
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 Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 17:32:36
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| Gents, We all realise that there is NO EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION in the Gambia, mainly because of Personal POWER and the financial rewards that brings to those in power (in all countries !) no one is wiling to relinquish his power base to others in order to benefit the country,So stalemate, talk talk talk talk or blah..... blah.NO progress.Can I personally see a change ,NO. there is no will at all amongst the existing participants,just as I said Blah Blah. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 19:04:01
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| Thank Mr. Gomez for exposing imperialists' hypocritical motives. They do not really care about human rights violations in anywhere in the world. It seems like human rights violations are only priority for diaspora who abandon their country opposing the regime in exile -cowardly- without concern of other priorities in Gambia such as development, employment, health care, education basis survival necessities. There is no wonder Gambian people are overwhelming support the current regime instead of collectively unintelligent opposition living the planet of mars. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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terangba
Egypt
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Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 19:22:15
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Turk,
Unlike you the Diaspora you keep bashing fervently believe freedom and rule of law are the corner stones of real democracy and meaningful development. The story of the two Koreas validates the theory that development is dependent on freedom. In fact I believe development without freedom and the rule of law is temporary development because sooner or later the people will revolt. Case in point, Liberia.
Unto you your believe and unto us our believe. La Kum Dena Kum wal Yaa Deen.
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 19:55:55
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Terangba
Your Korea example is poor one. S.Korea has became free after they developed their country and became an industrial state and improve their literacy level to close to 100 percent. S.Korea has not been a democracy until recently, 1989, ruled under military coups. If you see south Korea as a model, good, because their mojo was first development, then the better government system followed. It is development, wealth generation improve the freedom, better government and rule of law. Not the other way around. You need to deserve 'democracy'. First improve the literacy level so masses can participate in political process effectively. You can't establish rule of law, freedom with 40 percent literacy rate and the bottom gdp per capita. You can't establish rule of law when judges makes 10,000 dalasi per month.
I have many african, middle eastern friends, yes, there are some genuine people who escape from war, however, many tell their story in their trial as political asylum seeker, but they are mostly economic migrant. They are leaving their country primarily lack of wealth, employment and health care... 10 years ago, I assisted many Turkish citizen asylum seeker claim they are Kurdish while they are not. These MP should protest their own government to leave Africa the way it is now, poor and underdeveloped. British MPs are focusing on 'freedom' so much maybe due to overrated situation in Africa/Middle East they are getting from their refugee department. The reality is most refugees are seeking asylum in UK due to economic problems. Lack of development.
I worry about other things...
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 20:41:10
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| Turk both you and Gomez are totally out of touch with the reality.The Uk government has prosecuted british solders who are guilty of toturing Iragi nationals in Irag and the victims and families compensated.If you have any claim and evidence against any british solder in irag and afganistan committing human right violations in there i urge you to just forward it to the authorities in the Uk and I can assure you that an investigation will be conducted and justice will be done.Unlike the jammeh government under whose nose Gambian citizens keep disappearing in thin air and nothing absolutely is done about it.My hearth bled when I enter the RVH motuary on the 11/04/2000 and faced with the frozen bodies of young inocent Gambian students, some still with their school uniforme on and cover in dark blood.The unsavoury smell of blood filled the room and young innocent bodies lay accross with their hands streach along their rids,I cannot help but whimpered.Simply because they are Gambians, our brothers,sons and nephews.Nothing came out of it,not even a compensation to the victims families.Turk now tell me if that is fair? is that justice? is that civilisation? ..... you must be joking, is you think the jammeh government respect Gambians right, then you have not fall victim yet or better still the country is a small one, somewhere along the road you shall soon fall victim or your relative will, take my word for it if you are a Gambian.There is a saying when it rains, every ones roof get wet and with a dictator like Jammeh, NO GAMBIAN IS SAVE REGARDLESS OF YOU SUPPORT HIM OR OPPOSE HIM,IN FACT MAJORITY OF HIS VICTIMS ARE HIS OWN SUPPORTERS. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 20:50:09
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quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020
Gents, We all realise that there is NO EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION in the Gambia, mainly because of Personal POWER and the financial rewards that brings to those in power (in all countries !) no one is wiling to relinquish his power base to others in order to benefit the country,So stalemate, talk talk talk talk or blah..... blah.NO progress.Can I personally see a change ,NO. there is no will at all amongst the existing participants,just as I said Blah Blah.
Hey Toubab, I recognise your trick now. I think you are merely trying to stir up another round of political razzmatazz here but am sorry there is nothing more to argue about here. All is being said and done. Therefore, I think it is better for you to stick to the subject of the dicussion, which is about Gomez's grotesque threat, rather derailing yourself into an unchartered territory.
Thanks
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 22:49:48
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Dembish. You are out of touch with current affairs. UK government attack on Iraq, that itself was the violation of international law and human rights. And there was no compensation. Nothing, null, zilch, zip, nil. You are right that UK has indeed a democracy, rule of law and freedom. I have never questioned that. They have a tradition of democracy for 300 years, one of the wealthiest nation, most educated nation. Their collective intelligence is one of the highest. However, is it fair to apply their standards on a country that is one of the poorest nation on the world.
Agree that it is not fair about Gambia’s freedom situation. But with the realities on the ground, there is not much you can do without total social change which requires generations. YOU GOT THE GOVERNMENT YOU DESERVE. I suggest you read little bid about nations’ history, political systems, priorities, government system, wealth. Do you think UK became democracy in a night. Or S.Korea became the S.Korea today in a day, just because they are not 'communist'?
Some Gambians put so much weight on only political process for democracy, freedom, rule of law. Reason their expectation and standards are different from the Gambians in general. Also, they disregard 'history', 'wealth', 'culture', 'literacy', 'social realities' which are the determining factors to establish good government system. In order to accomplish freedom, democracy, there is a need for total change in the society. Who cares if you have full democracy in Gambia when you have less than 30 percent women can participate in democracy because of their illiteracy.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 17 Jan 2011 03:03:14 |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2011 : 14:25:08
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Thank you for the reply,it gave me no pleasure to write my posting it is not my intention to "to stir up another round of political razzmatazz here" so far as I can make out there has been no giving way from their strongly held views by any of the opposition parties in order to form an EFFECTIVE opposition by joining together.
I am an outsider,true,but the available information in the public domain,reflects the view I have taken,it may well be that moves are afoot to make all parties come together that only those directly involved in Gambian politics know about,in which case I am wrong, if you would prefer that I no longer expressed my view as your reply would seem to indicate then I am happy to do that.
I am an observer after all any decision that is reached is a decision made between those involved.
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Gents, We all realise that there is NO EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION in the Gambia, mainly because of Personal POWER and the financial rewards that brings to those in power (in all countries !) no one is wiling to relinquish his power base to others in order to benefit the country,So stalemate, talk talk talk talk or blah..... blah.NO progress.Can I personally see a change ,NO. there is no will at all amongst the existing participants,just as I said Blah Blah.
Hey Toubab, I recognise your trick now. I think you are merely trying to stir up another round of political razzmatazz here but am sorry there is nothing more to argue about here. All is being said and done. Therefore, I think it is better for you to stick to the subject of the dicussion, which is about Gomez's grotesque threat, rather derailing yourself into an unchartered territory.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jan 2011 : 16:30:30
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Oh no. I do not mean to censor you. I just didn't see the relevance of your point in the context of the subject being discussed here.
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2011 : 17:28:10
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You are quite right of course my mistake,you will see that I have corrected my mistake by posting another topic:
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10256
And will be very happy if posters (politicians or others  ) would like to give their views 
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Oh no. I do not mean to censor you. I just didn't see the relevance of your point in the context of the subject being discussed here.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jan 2011 : 20:17:05
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I am glad to see a convergence of views here.
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 07:51:57
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I totally agree with your assertion and all your statements Turk, This was indeed a good response and addresses the problems faced by third world nations lacking the resources and funding to establish strong institutions and in some or all instances the workforce lacks the competencies to do their jobs or make rational decisions. The Gambian problem nowadays is mainly a culture clash of generations, The younger generation ages 45 - 25 years of age have the competencies and qualifications to hold most or all desirable jobs, the old men are pissed off cos the system has no place for them and most were dependents of the state anyways and Hmmmmmm sycophants. I think most will go to Jail as per the laws of the Land they did not need lawyer Gomez to tell them that. The whole cyber warfare is about decency and respect for the rights of other Gambians. The total disregard for the laws of the land and Gambian constitution is a true testament of the Gambian state of mind. I told ya'll most of you fools will be wanted men and best believe there will not be a fund raiser for a "Common Criminal" . The justice department should go as far as voiding all Gambian passports associated with Cyber terrorism and this is just my opinion and piece of mind................................................Peace quote:
Originally posted by turk
Dembish. You are out of touch with current affairs. UK government attack on Iraq, that itself was the violation of international law and human rights. And there was no compensation. Nothing, null, zilch, zip, nil. You are right that UK has indeed a democracy, rule of law and freedom. I have never questioned that. They have a tradition of democracy for 300 years, one of the wealthiest nation, most educated nation. Their collective intelligence is one of the highest. However, is it fair to apply their standards on a country that is one of the poorest nation on the world.
Agree that it is not fair about Gambia’s freedom situation. But with the realities on the ground, there is not much you can do without total social change which requires generations. YOU GOT THE GOVERNMENT YOU DESERVE. I suggest you read little bid about nations’ history, political systems, priorities, government system, wealth. Do you think UK became democracy in a night. Or S.Korea became the S.Korea today in a day, just because they are not 'communist'?
Some Gambians put so much weight on only political process for democracy, freedom, rule of law. Reason their expectation and standards are different from the Gambians in general. Also, they disregard 'history', 'wealth', 'culture', 'literacy', 'social realities' which are the determining factors to establish good government system. In order to accomplish freedom, democracy, there is a need for total change in the society. Who cares if you have full democracy in Gambia when you have less than 30 percent women can participate in democracy because of their illiteracy.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 17:21:25
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British MPs Slams Justice Minister Gomez
Friday, January 21, 2011
British MPs have criticised The Gambia’s Justice Minister Edward Gomez, saying he should re-named Injustice Minister.
This development came hard on the heels Edward Gomez’s slamming on British MPs for calling on international pressure against The Gambia because of on-going human rights violations. Gomez also warned Gambians in abroad of backlash for smearing name of his government.
“The remarks are proof positive that the Justice Minister is riding roughshod over fundamental human rights. It’s my view that Edward Gomez should be renamed injustice minister,” alleged Anas Sarwar, the sponsor of the parliamentary motion signed by 27 British MPs recently.
Glasgow Central MP Anas Sarwar who sits in the International Development Select Committee at the parliament said, “Amnesty International produced a widely available report in 2008 which documents various human rights abuses in The Gambia including arbitrary arrests, torture, incommunicado detention, disappearances and murder.”
He added, “Indeed Alieu Ceesay who founded the Campaign for Human Rights in Gambia UK and many of his colleagues were forced to flee their homeland. I will continue to stand shoulder to shoulder with brave campaigners like Alieu who lead by example and fights for fundamental human rights.”
In another development the UK Minister for Africa Henry Bellingham have said that the coalition government will continue to raise concerns about freedom of expression and other human rights and good governance issues in the Gambia through the European Union and internationally.
“The Gambia has signed all major United Nations human rights conventions and we expect the Gambia to fulfill these obligations,” he said
Responding to a question recently from Labour MP for Glasgow North and shadow minister William Baine who asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what recent report he has received on the human rights situation and freedom of the press in the Gambia.
Minister Bellingham said “our High Commission in Banjul regularly raises human rights concerns with the government of The Gambia both bilaterally and also in its capacity as permanent local presidency of the European Union. Most recently the minister for Africa raises concerns with The Gambian minister of Foreign Affairs on September 14 2010 in London.”
He revealed that the UK government has set out its position at the EU/Gambia article 8 consultations held in June last year in Banjul and during The Gambia’s Universal Periodic Review sessions in UN in February last year.
Source: Dailynews |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
645 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 17:51:46
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Said I'm wanted, dread & alive
By the evil forces
Said I'm wanted, dread & alive
Nowhere to hide
They are trying to find me
Babylon "charge I for Gamjah"
Which I know couldn't do
How could one man Gang Jah
Must be an ape from the zoo
I've been accused for a shootin'
Which I know never do
Who dem in prison that willing dey
So I've got to pull my way through
Yesterday was court day
And I-Man forget to go
Today my name is in my papers
And next warrant they will show
Now I've got to Judge two guns
To protect myself from men
'Cause I've never done nothin' wrong
And I hate traveling scared
Thanks to Lyrics: Wanted - by Peter Tosh...L L!
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Originally posted by Moe
I totally agree with your assertion and all your statements Turk, This was indeed a good response and addresses the problems faced by third world nations lacking the resources and funding to establish strong institutions and in some or all instances the workforce lacks the competencies to do their jobs or make rational decisions. The Gambian problem nowadays is mainly a culture clash of generations, The younger generation ages 45 - 25 years of age have the competencies and qualifications to hold most or all desirable jobs, the old men are pissed off cos the system has no place for them and most were dependents of the state anyways and Hmmmmmm sycophants. I think most will go to Jail as per the laws of the Land they did not need lawyer Gomez to tell them that. The whole cyber warfare is about decency and respect for the rights of other Gambians. The total disregard for the laws of the land and Gambian constitution is a true testament of the Gambian state of mind. I told ya'll most of you fools will be wanted men and best believe there will not be a fund raiser for a "Common Criminal" . The justice department should go as far as voiding all Gambian passports associated with Cyber terrorism and this is just my opinion and piece of mind................................................Peace
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