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Dalton1
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 Posted - 23 Dec 2010 : 17:48:11
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NADD -A Realistic Compromise...
http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2010/12/21/nadd-a-realistic-compromise-for-a-successful-opposition-alliance.html
Bro Musa,
I enjoyed reading the piece. There are a lot of good points in it. You did a great job, and I applaud your vigilance to the things that matter to us most.
Thanks for a great reminder once again...Aluta Continua!
I wish you, Banka and the rest your colleagues a joyous holiday.
Kind Regards,
Yero.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 22:10:53
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WE HAVE GONE OVER THESE ISSUES LIKE A MERRY GO ROUND BUT ULTIMATELY;
"chickens have come home to roost!"
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Dec 2010 : 01:29:47
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Re: The Compromise-Musa Jeng Got it Wrong
Madam Editor,
Please allow me space to respond to an article, The Compromise, I read in your well established and reputable medium, authored by none other than our dear friend and brother, Mr. Musa Jeng of the U.S based Save The Gambia Democracy Project [STGDP].
In this article, Mr. Jeng articulated how a compromise could be reached to break the stalemate that has taken grip of the coalition negotiations between the main opposition United Democratic Party [UDP] and PDOIS with the former joining NADD, a political entity he described as belonging to all opposition parties, and assume leadership of it. He posited this as the only realistic option to break the stalemate, and went on to justify his call on the basis that due to their experience in 2006 and the aftermath, PDOIS will never be willing to go along with what the conventional wisdom dictates and become part of a UDP led coalition. However, he did not state what this experience was and why UDP should be held responsible for it.
First of all, Mr. Jeng should be reminded that this process like all coalition negotiations requires an honest approach that puts national interest above all others including ideologies and personal egos and differences. This can only be done if all stakeholders including PDOIS, accept the universal standards and practices of coalition building to be the unfettered guiding principles of negotiations. These standards and practices require that the biggest party be adopted as a vanguard and for all other parties and political entities to throw their weight behind.
In 2006, both NADD and UDP presented themselves before the Gambian electorates as independent sovereign political parties and tested their individual electoral strengths. The UDP had almost five times more votes than NADD and currently has more representation in parliament than any other opposition party in the country. It also has a bigger and more robust grass root support base than any other opposition party in the country. To put it in a nutshell; UDP is by far the biggest opposition party in The Gambia. I am sure this is a fact that Mr. Jeng himself would not like to challenge for it is irrefutable and beyond questioning. I therefore do not see any wisdom in his call for UDP to join a smaller party or entity in the guise of compromise. This is obviously illogical and lacking conformity with the dictates of common sense. It is like, as one observer put it, Hilary Clinton offering the vice presidency to Barack Obama when in fact, it was Barack who had the most votes. It doesn’t work like that in politics, am afraid.
The common sense approach would be for the smaller parties and entities including NADD to adopt the UDP as a vanguard and rally behind it in line with internationally recognised and acceptable norms.
Given the polarising and intractable nature of the NADD dispute of 2006, a dispute that still lingers in the background, I find it incomprehensible that Mr. Jeng would like to think that the resurrection of the same old squabble that causes serious damage to inter-opposition party relations could engender a realistic compromise, especially given that the demand for opposition unity is more palpable today than ever before. If he had done a careful and balanced assessment of the situation and the facts, it would have surely occurred to him that this idea has no potential except for the opening of the Pandora’s Box once again. I envisaged no realistic compromise in such an environment.
The premise of Mr. Jeng’s compromise solution is also flawed and lacking objectivity. In using an unexplained grievance that the PDOIS party supposedly has against the UDP as the sole rational behind his proposal, Mr. Jeng has failed to take into account the already known UDP grievances in the same regard and particularly on the question of registration that altered NADD’s status from that of an alliance to a political party in contravention of the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding [MOU] that established it and which cost the leader of NRP, Mr. Hamat N.K Bah, his parliamentary seat.
It is obvious that both NRP and UDP can also use, and quite legitimately, their NADD experience as a reason to reject Mr. Jeng’s proposal. Thus, pandering to personal egos and differences as a form of appeasement just for the sake of it is not helpful in debates of this nature. Our task should be to allow national interest to reign supreme over all others and ask the same of our political leaders.
Mr. Jeng’s claim that NADD belongs to all opposition parties is not borne by facts. Although the UDP participated in the creation of NADD the alliance, they did actually pull out from the organisation in 2006 together with the NRP after careful consideration. Therefore, if there was any UDP or NRP claim to NADD, that claim has been entirely relinquished in 2006 when both parties pulled out. The rest of that story is now history and it would be pointless for me to deliberate on it. In any case, the NADD debate is an antiquated one that has not only being made obsolete but also lacking taste.
Talking about compromise; it is clear that the onus is on NADD and PDOIS to recognise and accept the political legitimacy of a UDP led alliance at least in principle and then ask for a policy concession[s] that accommodates their core values, or concessions in respect of positions in a subsequent government. This is the norm, and it is the kind of approach that is capable of creating an environment in which a real and fair compromise could be engendered and achieved. Any proposal that does not take cognisance of this is not likely to deliver a fair deal and therefore, not likely to result to a compromise. It is the bigger parties which have more to bring into any coalition arrangement than the smaller ones, and this has to be recognised.
PDOIS is being Disingenuous
In another development, I have stumbled on an article written by the gibberish talking Administrative Secretary of PDOIS in which he described the position of the UDP, in respect of the coalition talks, as ‘support for a UDP led alliance without any conditionality’. This is clearly a misrepresentation. UDP’s position has been widely disseminated and understood as calling for a party led alliance in which all parties throw their weight behind the biggest. Anything further than this is nothing but a blatant embellishment that does not represent UDP’s position in anyway. This is how the UDP leader articulated his party’s position in his statement of 8th December 2010;
‘‘I then made the point that the well known norm for the creation of an opposition alliance is for the majority party to lead and others throw behind that party’’.
Neither Hon. Sidia Jatta, who was purportedly representing NADD and PDOIS, nor Mr. Ousainou Darboe, who represented UDP, made any mention of conditionality in their separate and conflicting statements regarding their discussion.
It is not for UDP to attach conditions to their own proposal- that is simply an unreasonable expectation- but for those who would like to see conditions attached to first accept it in principle and then demand, as a bargaining chip, that conditions be attached. That way, we can move this process one step forward from the principal issue of formula to a more secondary issue of conditionality and thereby making final resolution to the impasse more realistic and feasible.
If PDOIS wants to see conditions attached to UDP’s proposal, the sensible and most practicable approach would be for them to accept it in principle first and then state what kind of conditions they would like to see attached. However, PDOIS must not think they can have it both ways; they would have to either indicate their willingness to be part of a UDP led coalition with conditions attached or accept that it isn’t for them to talk about conditionality.
The statement by Hon. Sidia Jatta to the effect that the international standard of coalition building posited by the UDP cannot be adopted in The Gambia in the light of the absence of a second round voting system is the most ridiculous statement I have come across in this whole coalition debate. As far as facts are concern, there is no second round voting system in South Africa and yet it was the ANC that led the coalition which brought President Jacob Zuma to power; there is no second round of voting in India and yet it was Sonia Ghandi’s Indian National Congress that led the coalition which returned Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to power; there is no second round voting system in the United Kingdom and yet it is the Conservative party of Prime Minister Cameroun that is leading the coalition government here despite having not won an outright majority in the last general election- the list can go on-, and in all these examples, it is the biggest parties which assume leadership without any resort to primaries. Hon. Jatta’s statement is therefore not only absurd but simply lacking basis. It is nothing but a glib.
It is really sad to see a man [Hon. Sidia Jatta] who is widely acclaimed to be a man of impeccable integrity falling for the temptation of misinforming Gambians just to score cheap political points against perceived opponents. His Guinea Conakry-Ivory Coast comment is totally irresponsible and without a place in this all important debate.
SS Daffeh
Essex, United Kingdom.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Dec 2010 : 14:15:25
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IF YOU THINK YOU ARE SPIN MASTER AND KNEW BETTER THAN OTHERS; YOU ARE FOOLING YOURSELF! LOOK HOW YOU MANIPULATE THE FACTS ON NADD TO SELL YOUR CHEAP PARTISAN AGENDA & OVER-RIDING OTHER STAKE-HOLDERS; CITIZENS & NATIONAL INTERESTS.
AM ALWAYS GUTTED WITH YOUR OPINIONATED STATEMENTS; GIVING IMPRESSION AS AUTHORITATIVE OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIONS FOR UDP? HOWEVER WILL INTERVENE TO SET RECORDS STRAIGHT!
UDP SECRETARIAT SHOULD HANDLE MEDIA PROPAGANDA & MAKE ANY OFFICIAL STATEMENTS IN NADD DEBACLE; AMONGST OTHER IMPORTANT PRESS RELEASES TO CLARIFY POSITION? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Dec 2010 : 16:36:54
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1. Gainako on-line news A Reply to SS Daffeh on Opposition Alliance Compromise!By Jerreh Jallow , Manchester under http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2010/12/29/a-reply-to-ss-daffeh-on-opposition-alliance-compromise.html
2. Maafanta.com All ears for a compromise or are we still stuck in first gear? Musa Jeng, Atlanta under http://www.maafanta.com/MusaJengonCompromise2.html
"You may be interested in defending and making these same arguments after the election results are read, and our fear
that Jammeh is reelected with a landslide, but that is one debate that most of the guys in STGDP has seen over the
years, and believe me it is the most useless and futile exercise. Brother Daffeh, at this juncture I can only speak for
myself, principles, international conventions and rationalization should take a back seat to putting together a deal that
will give us the opportunity to go to the polls in 2011 as one group and take our campaign to the Gambian people. If we
fail to achieve that, then without a doubt all of us have contributed in that maintaining of the present staus quo and
without a doubt to the lost of lives that will indeed happen in the next five years. THe challenge is to come up with at
minimum the compromise that all sides are willing to at least look at, and like I said in the previous write up, I am all ears
from anyone to come up with it" Musa Jeng, Atlanta
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 30 Dec 2010 : 03:50:05
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As the saying goes, "empty barrels make the most noise" Some of these outcasts should learn to shut their vocal cavities if they cannot provide a viable alternative to what common sense citizens are working on everyday to move our country forward!!!
Decent citizens are sick and tired of the partisan politics at the expense of everyone of us. Only if we can all understand our roles and individual responsibilities, then decent men and women in both parties can find a needed compromise...
Advancing the same arguments with the same results is a sign of political suicide now and in the future!!!!
My take is until I hear or read a written official position of any of these opposition parties, I don't give weight to people who cannot differentiate between left and right... I will take common sense anytime over book knowledge... Chem!!! |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 31 Dec 2010 : 02:26:36
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| Chinese Shoes are you referencing Nyari,or just another one of those weird statements you make. "Ang Ko MBABAA LADDEH" a typical "Marchudor" CHEM!!................................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Dec 2010 : 14:17:42
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quote:
Originally posted by dbaldeh
As the saying goes, "empty barrels make the most noise" Some of these outcasts should learn to shut their vocal cavities if they cannot provide a viable alternative to what common sense citizens are working on everyday to move our country forward!!!
Decent citizens are sick and tired of the partisan politics at the expense of everyone of us. Only if we can all understand our roles and individual responsibilities, then decent men and women in both parties can find a needed compromise...
Advancing the same arguments with the same results is a sign of political suicide now and in the future!!!!
My take is until I hear or read a written official position of any of these opposition parties, I don't give weight to people who cannot differentiate between left and right... I will take common sense anytime over book knowledge... Chem!!!
Ha!ha! ha! ha!. It is clear that some people here are not mature enough to be able to read lips but am i finish with them? Well, no comment. At the end of the day, it be cystal clear who the fantasists are; those who need to get a life rather than talking about a disingenuous compromise.
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 01 Jan 2011 : 01:48:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Moe
Chinese Shoes are you referencing Nyari,or just another one of those weird statements you make. "Ang Ko MBABAA LADDEH" a typical "Marchudor" CHEM!!................................................Peace
Moe, am referring to any citizen who think that their way is the only way! We are a country and a people with diverse ethnicity and political spectrums. If anyone think that a compromise will have to be their way or the highway then I say good luck because we will not get anywhere.
I know that you are enjoying the infights within the opposition to favor your dictator, but be rest assured that your day and that of your lord - the king has already been written...
As for Nyari he avoids me at all cost because I stick it where it belongs. The partisan fight from various sides is simply a bunch of nonsense and ego driven.... cult like haters who wants it all, lose it all and thats what keep them happy and alive. They don't give a damn about the country only their little corners....
Happy New Year!!! |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2011 : 13:59:11
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Yea you certainly do stick it; in your ass. |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 01 Jan 2011 14:00:44 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jan 2011 : 01:02:39
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Gambia Echo commentary Commentary: The Gambia And The challenges of Democratic Change In 2011 Musa Camara under http://www.thegambiaecho.com/Homepage/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/2143/Default.aspx
Same commentary with Gainako on-line news We Can't Leapfrog Our Way into Democracy under http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2010/12/31/we-cant-leapfrog-our-way-into-democracy.html
NOTE:
1. WRITER SERIOUSLY DIS-CREDIT UDP MILITANCY /ADVOCATING FOR PARTY-LED COALITION! AS QUOTED INTER ALIA; "An undemocratic or informal party-led alliance as proposed by the UDP is very dangerous for The Gambia for it would undoubtedly lead to electoral failure because democratically oriented parties would not take a leap of faith in such an unpredictable arrangement. Even wherein such an alliance manages to win the election (which is practically impossible); it would fail colossally in advancing meaningful democratic changes in the country. This is precisely so because alliances of this sort are formulated in backroom deals, implement policies not acceptable to coalition partners, and to a great extent, rely mostly on personal promises which filter through to the public in “he said, she said” recollections during times of disputes or crises. Generally, it can be argued that nothing is more easily abandoned by men than their words, especially after they have acquired power." by Musa Camara
2.WHAT WRITER RECOMMENDS FOR A UNITED FRONT AS QUOTED:"The option the current political infrastructure in The Gambia provides to best succeed is a united alliance under a single political party like the option, the National Alliance for Democracy and Development (NADD) envisions. All parties should shelve their individual programs to coalesce behind a single agenda to remove Jammeh from power; implement a transition program with limited but targeted reforms for the restoration of a true democracy. If in the future their partnership proves successful, cordial and harmonious they may decide to stay together as a party. In addition, NADD is already a registered political party with an agenda to implement, has the capacity to unite all the parties since nearly all of them were its founding members, has the popularity to defeat Jammeh in the next election, and has the human capital within its ranks to transform The Gambia into a genuine democracy." by Musa Camara
3. CONCLUSION: "The need to dethrone the incumbent is beyond all debates. As if the current predicaments the clownish dictator imposed on the nation were only meant to be test drive of imperium, he has unveiled a diabolical desire to transform the republic into his kingdom. We had enough already! All resorts to peaceful regime change share a common denominator: the opposition parties contesting the 2011 election on a single ticket."by Musa Camara
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kobo
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dbaldeh
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Posted - 02 Jan 2011 : 05:34:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Yea you certainly do stick it; in your ass.
Daffeh, you are the dumbest outcast I have ever come across in my life. your partisan nonsense blinds you from any sense of objectivity!!!
When would you realize that you are nothing and no one even listens to what you write or say in the UDP? In fact most of your ideas are treated as extreme and lacks common sense.
A clear example is when you recently went loose on Musa Jeng's proposal for a compromise sending hate email to all UDP supporters telling them that he was a PDOIS insider...
You did not even take the time to read what he wrote with objectivity and you went bananas. What is the results of that ouburst? you fell flat on your face with disgrace because other UDP supporters read the proposal with objectivity and saw common sense in what Musa was saying! People you thought will support your partisan position recognize the important points Musa was talking about.
No one appoints you as a partisan spoke person and yet you use the UDP UK official email to communicate your own opinion.
I said this here and I will repeat it again...there are common sense folks in the UDP who recognize that individual partisan politics will not take us anywhere. They are working hard against your extreme views to compromise. Even Darboe your own leader do not agree with your extreme views and will never call other people he is negotiating with names.
Just because you can jump and write your opinion does not means you make sense.
By the way what happened to your campaign about my friendship and closeness with some UDP supporters. Did you succeed in putting across your hate? I still talk to the same folks and give them and exchange ideas with mutual respect.
Daffeh, You are drunken with partisan politics that is killing you inside and the people with common sense in the UDP have now recognize this and you are just begining to feel some push back on your narrow mindedness...
You have no authority to write or speak for anyone so continue on your partisan bickering and you will reduce yourself to a laughing stock.
Whether you like it or not folks are going to continue to work together and find a needed compromise...
No hate from my side Happy New Year to you and your family!!! |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jan 2011 : 13:21:00
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Do I have time for Demba Baldeh's idiosy? certainly not. Let him go to hell. I have more important things to worry about than his sillines.
I better go.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 02 Jan 2011 : 14:25:11
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www.maafanta.com
Mr. Daffeh’s Arguments are Superior and Fact Based
- Pa Sawo
Madam Editor,
I have read the responses generated by Mr. Daffeh’s rejoinder to Musa Jeng’s article, ‘The Compromise’ but I am
disappointed by all of them particularly that of Jerrey Jallow, for they have all failed to tackle the substantive issues
eloquently articulated by Mr. Daffeh.
Mr. Daffeh was not only logical in his arguments but also very coherent and concise in his choice of words. He has
shown a very superior intellectual reasoning and fantastic logical and coherent presentation of facts. I am not sure if I
can say the same of the others.
Jerrey Jallow in particular was clearly driven by anger and hatred to the point that he had to substitute the subject of the
discussion from ‘The Compromise’ to a disgraceful personal attack against Mr. Daffeh’s person. This is understandable
as Mr. Daffeh’s arguments are watertight and undefeatable. So the only thing Jerrey can do is to shoot the messenger
rather than the message. That is what Hilary Clinton tried to do against Barack Obama when she realised that the latter’
s message was getting unstoppable, and she failed. I wonder why the likes of Jerrey Jallow think they can succeed. It
doesn’t work, my friends!
I am particularly impressed by the way and manner in which Mr. Daffeh shredded Hon. Sidia Jatta’s ridiculous argument
that it is only in countries where there is a second round of voting that coalitions are led by the majority party. He has
torn it into pieces and was flawless and spot-on in doing so. If I could be of any help to him [Mr. Daffeh] there, I will also
add that there is no second round voting system in Brazil and yet it is the biggest party that led the coalition which
recently brought that country’s new president, Mrs. Dilma Rousseff, to power. The same thing can be said of Japan. So
yes; I agree with Mr. Daffeh that the list can go on.
Jerrey’s argument that the UK Coalition mustn’t be cited as an example since it is a post election coalition is
preposterous. As far as I know, the justifications for a coalition both in UK and The Gambia are the same; neither party
can do it alone. Also and as a matter of fact, there was a pre-election alliance in the UK between the DUP of Northern
Ireland and the Conservative Party and this too was led by the biggest party, The conservatives. The idea was that
should the Conservatives fall short of a clear majority in the general election and by a tiny margin, they could rely on the
support of the DUP members of parliament [MPs] at Westminster to make a clear majority without having to coalese with
any of the other big parties i.e. The liberal Democrats and Labour.
Even if the UK example is expunged, Mr. Daffeh is still spot on with his two other examples, India and South Africa.
As for respect, you don’t buy that from the market; you earn it. So if PDOIS thinks they are not being respected, well
maybe they should make a little bit of effort and try to earn it rather than always thinking they know it all and nobody
else knows anything, which is a big fallacy.
I think it is clear that the likes of Jerrey Jallow and Al Jawara who have nothing but venoms to give us, have no place in
debates of this nature for they have no explanation to justify their opposition to a UDP led alliance just like their political
Saints, Halifa Sallah and Sidia Jatta.
As for Musa Jeng, it is clear that he has a pro PDOIS stand in this matter for it is Sidia Jatta who actually suggested the
adoption of NADD by all parties as a solution to the impasse. If Musa is seriously interested and sincere about his so-
called compromise solution, he should have adopted a proposal that does not reflect the position of any party. But to
adopt PDOIS’s alternative position and then expect that to be an ideal compromise which other parties can buy when in
fact they have already rejected it is definitely not very clever. It is clearly delusional and utterly hopeless.
I agree with Mr. Daffeh that the NADD debate is a thing of the past. People should be looking out for solutions that are
not connected to the NADD debacle if we are to have a fresh start that is not characterised by venoms, personal egos
and differences.
Thank You
Pa Sawo
Serrekunda West, The Gambia. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2011 : 17:31:35
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WHAT 'SUPERIORITY OR FACTS' IN DAFFEH'S ARGUMENTS 
EVERY ONE IS ENTITLED TO OPINIONS EXPRESSED! WE HAVE DIVERSE OPINIONS COMING ACROSS GAMBIANS! ANOTHER WELL ARTICULATED ARTICLE PUBLISHED EARLIER IS ALSO AN EXCELLENT RESPONSE; IN MY OPINION!
Commentary with Gainako on-line news We Can't Leapfrog Our Way into Democracy under http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2010/12/31/we-cant-leapfrog-our-way-into-democracy.html
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