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Screensize: 640 x 480 800 x 600 1024 x 768 1280 x 1024 UserName: Password: Format Mode: Basic  Help  Prompt  Format: Videos: Font Andale Mono Arial Arial Black Book Antiqua Century Gothic Comic Sans MS Courier New Georgia Impact Lucida Console Script MT Bold Stencil Tahoma Times New Roman Trebuchet MS Verdana   Size 1 2 3 4 5 6   Color Black Red Yellow Pink Green Orange Purple Blue Beige Brown Teal Navy Maroon LimeGreen Message: * HTML is OFF * Forum Code is ON Smilies [quote][i]Originally posted by Momodou[/i] [br]GAMBIA-L Digest 108 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) by SANG1220@aol.com 2) Re: Neo-Nazi/"WhiteP by h.pflueger@gam-line.win.net (H Pflueger) 3) Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 4) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> 5) Sillah Konateh by Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> 6) New Members by EB12CSAY@aol.com 7) Happy belated val. day! by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 8) Re: Sierra Leone and a Poem about Africa by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 9) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 10) Re:The Public Affairs TV Program that never materialised by KTouray@aol.com 11) Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) by SANG1220@aol.com 12) RE: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ by Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> 13) RE: Happy belated val. day! by Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> 14) UPDATE ON GAYE AND SILLAH by "foroyaa@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 15) Re: Unwarranted letters by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 16) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 17) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 18) New member! by "Omar Gibba" <ojgibba@hotmail.com> 19) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) by "Housainou Taal" <Housainou.Taal@wfp.org> 20) CAF results by "Mambuna Bojang" <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> 21) leadership conference by "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> 22) New Member by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> 23) Test by "Moe S. Jallow" <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> 24) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 25) Re: CAF results by "Amadou L. Fall" <jambaar@enter.net> 26) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> 27) Subscription by ADEMBA@aol.com 28) Responsible e-mailing by cherno@acm.org 29) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by JHNSHERRIF@aol.com 30) Sierra Leone by "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> 31) SV: leadership conference by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk> 32) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by Gunjur@aol.com 33) Re: Sierra Leone by "B.M.Jones" <B.M.Jones@econ.hull.ac.uk> 34) Re: SV: leadership conference by globexinc@erols.com 35) Re: Sillah Konateh by Sarian Loum <Sarian.Loum@Corp.Sun.COM> 36) Re: Sierra Leone by globexinc@erols.com 37) LETTER TO SEC. OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS ON GOVT.'S DESIRE TO MEDIATE IN CASAMANCE by "foroyaa@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 38) RE: Unwarranted letters by Sailey_Sey <SeyS@husson.edu> 39) Re: LETTER TO SEC. OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS ON GOVT.'S DESIRE TO MEDIATE ... by JHNSHERRIF@aol.com 40) Quite Interesting.... by Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> 41) Re: Responsible e-mailing by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu> 42) Nagano winter olympics by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 43) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ by mmjeng@image.dk 44) Re: Nagano winter olympics by "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 45) Re: Responsible e-mailing by "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 46) Re: Responsible e-mailing by "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 47) Re Sierra Leone by "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 48) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 49) Re: Re Sierra Leone by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 50) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by Gunjur@aol.com 51) The ECONOMY : How It Works ! by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 52) African Nations' Cup by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 53) African Nations' Cup - News by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 54) Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 55) SOROS Fellowship for "New Americans" (fwd) by Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> 56) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by "Moe S. Jallow" <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> 57) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by globexinc@erols.com 58) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 59) Re: SV: Gambians Shot by Buba Njie <Buba.Njie@econ.uib.no> 60) Re: SV: Gambians Shot by Musa Sise <sis0909r@uel.ac.uk> 61) Re: Quite Interesting.... by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 62) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 63) Re: Sierra Leone by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 64) Re: Quite Interesting.... by globexinc@erols.com 65) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa by globexinc@erols.com 66) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 67) Re: Nagano winter olympics by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 68) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! (fwd) by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> 69) Re: Nagano winter olympics by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 70) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ by SANG1220@aol.com 71) China: No turning back!!! by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 72) Fwd: Why did the chicken cross the road? -Forwarded (fwd) by Paul Jammeh <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> 73) Selective postings or server failure. by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 74) Oprah Winfrey hosts Noted Liberian Plastic Surgeon (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 75) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 76) Fwd: Former Sierra Leone spokesman changes his tune by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 77) Re: Nagano winter olympics by "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 78) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 79) Subscription by Lamin Jaiteh <ljaiteh@mail.wsu.edu> 80) I'm over it !!!! by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 81) RE : SIERRA LEONE AND WEST AFRICA (fwd) by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> 82) Re: Why did the chicken cross the road? -Forwarded (fwd) by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 83) Recall: RE : SIERRA LEONE AND WEST AFRICA (fwd) by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> 84) Pas it on!! From Sebja by SADAMS <SADAMS@geog.gla.ac.uk> 85) What independence? by "Alpha Robinson" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de> 86) Re: What independence? by mgravesen@unicef.dk 87) RE: Recall: RE : SIERRA LEONE AND WEST AFRICA (fwd) by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> 88) Re: What independence? by "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> 89) RE: What independence? by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> 90) Re: What independence? by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> 91) African Nations Cup -Update by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 92) Junta claims to recapture city of Bo in Sierra Leone by Lamin Camara <radise@accessv.com> 93) Re: Junta claims to recapture city of Bo in Sierra Leone by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 94) Re: What independence? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 95) Respect for TIME by third world folks!!!!!!! by globexinc@erols.com 96) Re: What independence? by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 97) Re: What independence? by cherno@acm.org 98) Fwd: Personal Ad (fwd) by Paul Jammeh <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> 99) RE: What independence? by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 100) Sierra Leone - BBC Update by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 101) Re: Sierra Leone - BBC Update by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 102) Senegal: Terror in Casamance (AI INDEX: AFR/49/02/98 17 FEBRUARY (fwd) by Paul Jammeh <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> 103) Re: Sierra Leone - BBC Update by Lamin Camara <radise@accessv.com> 104) RE: What independence? by Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> 105) New Member by binta njie <galzdemsugar@yahoo.com> 106) Re: New Member by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 107) Re: Personal Ad (fwd) by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 108) Re: Junta claims to recapture city of Bo in Sierra Leone by Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> 109) Re: What independence? by "Franco" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 110) Re: What independence? by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 111) Re: What independence? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 112) Re: What independence? by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 113) Re: What independence? by Francis Njie <c3p0@xsite.net> 114) Re: What independence? by "seedy kanyi" <seedyk@hotmail.com> 115) Unsubscribe by v5bubbad@ulmo.stud.slu.se (Buba Badjie) 116) Re: What independence? by "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> 117) RE: New Member by Fatou Jobe <Fatou.Jobe@halliburton.com> 118) RE. WHAT INDEPENDENCE by OmarSheik.Saho@ulleval.oslohelse.telemax.no 119) Re: What independence? by "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> 120) Re: UPDATE ON GAYE AND SILLAH by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 121) Re: New Member by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 122) Re: leadership conference by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 123) JOB: Post-Doctoral Position, Forest Dynamics Modeller by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 124) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa by Musa Sise <sis0909r@uel.ac.uk> 125) Re: New Member by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 126) FW: The Thursday Funnies by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@prc.com> 127) Re: New Member by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 128) removal of globexinc from list by globexinc@erols.com 129) RE: New Member by Fatou Jobe <Fatou.Jobe@halliburton.com> 130) What independence? (fwd) by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> 131) More things to make you go hmm... (fwd) by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> 132) Top Ten Mysteries of Life.... (fwd) by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> 133) More things to make you go hmm... (fwd) by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> 134) RE: What independence? by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 135) Re: New Member by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 136) Re: More things to make you go hmm... (fwd) by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 137) Re: Top Ten Mysteries of Life.... (fwd) by SADAMS <SADAMS@geog.gla.ac.uk> 138) [Fwd: FW: New operating system developed by an Indian!!!!] (fwd) by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> 139) Re: African Nations Cup -Update by "Mambuna Bojang" <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> 140) Re: New Member by "Inqs." <nfaal@is2.dal.ca> 141) MMN: CAIR-NET: "Foreign Terrorists in America"/Honda/Nashville (10K) (fwd) by "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> 142) Re: RE. WHAT INDEPENDENCE by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 143) Re: New Member by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 144) Re: Respect for TIME by third world folks!!!!!!! by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 145) MMN: Hamza Yusuf on TV, Truth, and Technomania (The Message) (fwd) by "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> 146) MMN: A muslim family in trouble (fwd) by "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> 147) MMN: [Fwd: Imam Al-Ghazali on the topic of Arrogance] (fwd) by "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> 148) Re: MMN: A muslim family in trouble (fwd) by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 149) RE: New Member by Sailey_Sey <SeyS@husson.edu> 150) new member by Makhou Diagne <igotyoub@yahoo.com> 151) Re: Are US Bombs Falling on Bagdad Once Again? Part 2 by "m.gassama" <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 152) Re: New Member by SANG1220@aol.com 153) Re: What independence? by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 154) Re:subscribe by KTouray@aol.com 155) 3 rd Annual Midwest Graduate Student Conference in African Studies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by nahak@juno.com (Michael J Gomez) 156) Re: Are US Bombs Falling on Bagdad Once Again? Part 2 by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 157) SAINTS VS GHS by Musa Sonko <msonko@yahoo.com> 158) Re: Are US Bombs Falling on Bagdad Once Again? Part 2 by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 159) Re: What independence?: How about a fund? by MODOUMASS@aol.com 160) CAF first quater-final results by "Mambuna Bojang" <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> 161) Re: What independence? by Bolsey225@aol.com 162) Re: New Member by Bolsey225@aol.com 163) new member by "lamin jabang" <lamin@algonet.se> 164) Re: What independence? by "Morro krubally" <jamba@cyberramp.net> 165) Burkina '98/ Tunisia out !! by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 166) Obituary: Sad news from home by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 167) Re: What independence? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 168) Re: Burkina '98/ Tunisia out !! by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 169) Re: CAF first quater-final results by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 03:48:41 EST From: SANG1220@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) Message-ID: <6b3bd103.34e6abeb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Malanding, how do you propose that we do that. Your idea is salient but I think we need to ascertain how many of our fellow Gambia-Lers would sign this actual letter. For my money you can count me in, I think it's disgraceful and rediclous for Jammeh to embark on such intimidating tactics. Tomborg if you're reading this, please by all means supply us with the nature of the charges against these men and don't tell me its because of failure to pay taxes. I believe there's more to this that you;re unwilling to disclose. You are in a position to effectuate things and I hope you use your sense of fairness to implore the Government that critism is very healthy in any democracy. For one thing it lets you know what the public are thinking of ones programs, but you already know that so I am exhorting you to use whatever influence you have to seek fairness for these people. Thanks Daddy Sang ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:10:00 (GMT) From: h.pflueger@gam-line.win.net (H Pflueger) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Neo-Nazi/"WhiteP Message-ID: <02920970@gam-line.win.net> > >Dear Members, > >I refer to the missive posted by HP Flueger in regards to the Neo Nazi >Movement. I would like to inform you that voting on the issue in question >here has already taken place so please ignore the request. Otherwise any >postings made to that address will automatically bounce back to the >sender(s). The voting took place in the year 1996 and it was over since >then. People overwhelmingly voted NO and the movement was denied the >chance. I hope we all learn to live and let live. > >I thank you all and keep hopes alive. > >Famara Giffa >Columbus,Ohio. > Sorry, the defeat of the above mentioned earlier cybernazi organizing attempt to create the news group <rec.music.white-power> was indeed a massive victory for the forces opposing bigotry, hate-speech and against cybernazi propaganda on the net. (In 1996 only 592 voted yes, 33033 voted no.) But this is a NEW attempt of the nazi to create this newsgroup and a strong public voice against cybernazi propaganda is needed again. Thanks for listening Harald * PowerEdit 2.5 Software Independent: Won't work with ANY software. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:49:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) Subject: Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) Message-ID: <199802151449.JAA27696@hemlock.ffr.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text Daddy you wrote: > > Malanding, how do you propose that we do that. Your idea is salient but I > think we need to ascertain how many of our fellow Gambia-Lers would sign this > actual letter. For my money you can count me in, I think it's disgraceful and > rediclous for Jammeh to embark on such intimidating tactics. Tomborg if you're > reading this, please by all means supply us with the nature of the charges > against these men and don't tell me its because of failure to pay taxes. I > believe there's more to this that you;re unwilling to disclose. You are in a > position to effectuate things and I hope you use your sense of fairness to > implore the Government that critism is very healthy in any democracy. For one > thing it lets you know what the public are thinking of ones programs, but you > already know that so I am exhorting you to use whatever influence you have to > seek fairness for these people. > Thanks > Daddy Sang > I think it is worth mentioning that we can not write on hte behalf of the whole Gambia-l list. Joint in my note means all those who might otherwise want to submit their own fax letter or whatever form of message to the authorities. If a draft is done all those who agree to it can do just as you did say add my name to it. Once names are gathered, attached the message will be sent to the various addressees. Also, we should not expect Tombong to contribute anything thing to this unless he volunteers to do so. The reason for this is simple. He is an employee to the establishment and for sure there are rules and guidelines. Whether we agree with those or not is another matter. I think specifics on what the charges are can be obtained from other members of the list based in the Gambia. Finally this letter must not be seen political. The purpose is to bring some understanding to the authorities that this decision to close the radio station and the continued detention of the two fellows are both unwarranted. It will severely undermine confidence and support for the system. It will cause more harm to the little gains they have made than good. Malanding jaiteh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:43:53 -0800 From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980215104353.0068e454@mail.interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you for the details. Paul. At 01:25 AM 2/15/98 EST, you wrote: >Information from my sister is that the largest of the plots sell for $5000 >and the smaller ones for less than that. She said the size of the large plots >is the same as those at Kanifing estates. Will try to get exact dimensions. > >Jabou > > >In a message dated 2/14/98 8:42:20 AM, you wrote: > ><<Archi, >Thank you for the information. How much are the plots selling for? >Paul. > > > >At 11:50 PM 2/13/98 -0000, you wrote: >>Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> >> via Commit >> >> >>I thought you might be interested in the following announcement in the >>papers today: >> >>============================================== >> Social Security and Housing Finance Corporation >> >> Public Announcement >> >> Brusubi Housing Project Commercial Serviced Plots >> >>As part of its commercial operations under phase 1 of the Brusubi Housing >>Project, the SSHFC has under option 2 of the project a provision for direct >>sale of about 300 serviced plots to those Gambians who cannot otherwise >>participate in the formalised option 1 process of filling in application >>forms and subsequently attending interviews. Notably among these are >>Gambians resident abroad. >> >>The SSHFC hereby wishes to inform the general public that application forms >>for these serviced plots can now be purchased at the SSHFC Head Office >>Building, 61 ECOWAS Avenue, Banjul, Effective Tuesday 10th February 1998. >>The deadline for the return of these forms is Friday 10th April 1998. >> >>A non refundable processing fee of 150 is being charged for each >>application form. >>================================================ >> >>E&OE >> >>Regards to all >>Archi >> >> >> > > >----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >Return-Path: <GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu> >Received: from relay13.mail.aol.com (relay13.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.13]) by >air04.mail.aol.com (v38.1) with SMTP; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:42:20 -0500 >Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (lists2.u.washington.edu >[140.142.56.1]) > by relay13.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id IAA28527; > Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:42:09 -0500 (EST) >Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) > by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP > id FAA02561; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:42:08 -0800 >Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP > id FAA22628 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 >05:41:48 -0800 >Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) > by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP > id FAA13343 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:41:48 >-0800 >Received: from bgibba (ip213-141.cc.interlog.com [207.34.213.141]) > by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28635 > for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:41:46 -0500 (EST) >Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980214083209.006910b0@mail.interlog.com> >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:32:09 -0800 >Reply-To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu >Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> >To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia- >l@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project >In-Reply-To: <B0000053939@south.commit.gm> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >X-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> >X-Sender: bgibba@mail.interlog.com >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >>> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:51:50 -0800 From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Sillah Konateh Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980215105150.0068c2c8@mail.interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi! Mr. Konateh, I always suspected that you the brother of my friend Lasana Konateh in Toronto but I never confirmed it until today. I asked Sana about you and he confirmed that you are indeed his brother. Anyway, write to me by using my private e-mail address----bgibba@interlog.com so we can say more. My regards to you. Also, best wishes to you from Sana and his family members, Fatoumata, Alhagie, Ansumana, Nfamara, Mansata, and Foday. Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:23:24 EST From: EB12CSAY@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: New Members Message-ID: <8b7ee138.34e7329e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit What's up Gambia-l? Introducing the following dudes. Martin Sowe E-mail address is ( msowe@aol.com ). Hassan Jagne E-mail address ( an2es2ra@aol.com). Saidou Ceesay E-mail ( saidou-latunja@webtv.net ). Keep up the good work. Thanks. EB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:26:53 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Happy belated val. day! Message-ID: <19980215192653.17404.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain What's up...what's up fellows?? I hope all the love-birds in the house had a lot of fun yesterday. My woman and I had a big "fight" last night...not proud of it a bit. So, to the single ladies in the house, will you Be Mg V Al N Ti Ne next year? Soon to-be single Chemist, Sambujang. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:48:18 -0000 From: "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and a Poem about Africa Message-ID: <B0000055140@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Pa Musa Jallow" <pmj@commit.gm> via Commit Mr TaAL, all I want to add is there is a big difference between what ECOMOG is doing in Sierra Leone and Congo Brassaville and Congo Kinshasha for that matter: in Sierra Leone ..a regional body took the decision to restore the democartically elected govt. of one member state by diplomacy or force of arms if neccessary; this was supported by the OAU, the UN GENERAL ASSEMBLY, the UN SECURIY COUNCIL, the EU, the USA and all international bodies in CONGO BRASSAVILLE, a bi setback, a warlord supported by FRENCH INTEREST GROUPS, sparked a CIVIL WAAR annd TOOK OVER THE STATE with no REGIONAL ORGANISATION to even TAKE a STAND due to the very QUEER mix of interests, allegiances etc..a typical DIVIDE and RULE..elected President LISSOUBA had angered ANGOLA for his alleged support for UNITA rebels, SASSOU NGUESSO had a father in-law in GABON's Omar Bongo who was the so-called MEDIATOR, KABILA who somewhat supported LISSOUBA probably from an anti-imperialist point of view needed ANGOLA and was still too NEW..in fact almost burnt his fingers in this soupa kanja now with Kabila's Congo Kinshasha..a long time hated and western puppet dictator was turned against by his neighbours pay back after almost 30 years of misdeeds and aggression..from South Africa to Angola to Uganda and Rwanda and I guess this an AFRICAN regional REVENGE on a Western Puppet-DIctator... just a little comment pmj ---------- > From: Housainou Taal <Housainou.Taal@wfp.org>> > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and a Poem about Africa > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 4:24 PM > > > > > Regards, Housainou. > > > > > > > > mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) on 11-02-98 07:58:52 > > Please respond to gambia-l@u.washington.edu > > To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > cc: (bcc: Housainou Taal/OD/WFP) > Subject: Sierra Leone and west Africa > > > > > Gambia-Lers, > Please allow me to say that if this message sounds provocative and > unmanneredly, kindly excuse my ignorance, for that is not an intention on > my part. > I forwarded two articles about the situation in Sierra Leone with the hope > that we can engage in dialogue about the state of Sierra Leone (as our > neighbours, brothers and sisters) and the west african region. To > surprise, however, no one seems to talk about it. Even though I will > assume that most of you have acccess to information about the war, I still > feel that we need to exchange our different views on this issue, as we > are, either directly or indirectly, connected to Sierra Leone since it is > also in West africa. > I am surprised that we are not talking about the Sierra Leone war. I am > surprised too that we are very much concerned and has talked about the > showdown between the US and Iraq, but not about the killings and > associated suffering that is going in our own back yards. I am also > surprised that we have not addressed the issue of the fact that a turmoil > (instability) in Sierra Leone is a problem for the whole of West Africa. > If you think that the discussing the "stability of west africa" is worth > your time, then let me say to you "thank you". When I read about what's > happening in/to Sierra Leone, I always fear that the consequences of this > war will have a lasting and devastating influence on the stability of West > Africa. Some rumour I heard is that Charles Taylor of Liberia is siding > with the Junta in Sierra Leone, and has reportedly sent some troops to aid > the falling Junta forces. Now even if the above is untrue, and Kabba gets > reinstated as president, what feelings will he (Kabba) harbour towards > (for) his neighbour, Liberia and Charles Taylor? > I see this as a state of instability in that region of Sierra Leone, > Liberia (and possibly Guinea). We are talking about three major components > of West Africa here. Even if the Nigerian (and other west african) forces, > (ECOMOG) decide to stay, will they be very effective, and how long will > forces remain in effect? Finally, who will be paying for the existence of > the ECOMOG forces, and how long will they maintain the peace? I pray that > it doesn't get too outrageous a condition of degredation. Even if my > prayers were answered, when will Sierra Leone completely recover from the > evils of destruction? And, at what cost? > So please, let's put up a debate on this Sierra Leonean crisis. Remember, > eventhough it is so far way from Gambia, Sierra Leone is still part of > West Africa. Anything that happens there will impact the Gambia in a > negative fashion. > Thank you for your time. > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > ======================================================================= > mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:24:20 -0000 From: "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ Message-ID: <B0000055139@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Pa Musa Jallow" <pmj@commit.gm> via Commit Mr Jeng, I beg to differ, I think if you recall an earlier piece on the Bantaba by Ali Masrui regarding Pax Nigeriana..that he would rather a Nigerian (African ) Military Govt. fight to restore a democracy in Africa than a Western democracy restore a client-puppet dictatorship in Africa or the underdeveloped world.. I think it is time that Africans start refusing to allow any journeyman to hold a state hostage by violence or the threat of; what you have (had) in Sierra Leone was akin to what pertained in The Gambia iin 1981..a bunch of non-entities with arms take-over control of the State and unleash mayhem..opening the jails and letting loose chaos and pandemodium...my best friend who happens to be a lawyer with an LLM in International Law and Human Rights, and who published a Human Rights Column on the The Daily Observer (during the days of the AFPRC) was in Freetown Sierra Leone during the take-oever in May and for a further 2 months, and saw first hand the complete lack of mission, integrity and decency of the so-called AFRC in Sierra Leone, daily lootings, beatins and arrests by armed persons, either Soldiers, or their allies , the RUF or common thugs unleashed from the jails, the nights were punctuated with looting of private residences , rapings and murder of innocents,..one example is that the actual coup maker, Corporal Gborie Tamba, who had to allow Major Koroma to lead, because he is completely uneducated but famous for his coup broadcasts was seen leading an armed band in pillaging and robbing private residences, ....then he was made leader of an anti-looting squad that shot on sight alleged looters, he was then caught leading a looting spree and notably the looting of the Iranian Islamic Cultural Centre and for this he was demoted from Seargeant to which he was promoted to Corporal and kicked out of the ruling council; that very night he led an attack on the barracks of Koroma, apparently intent on taking over again, was defeated and as of the liberation of Freetown by ecomog, he was supposed to have been in custody at Pademba Road prison so what is my point? we the so called educated and intellegentsia should take a long hard look at our practical options if our modern states are not only to survive and prosper and and it is no longer acceptable or tenable that any group of persons by virtue of violence should be allowed to take over the State; their only qualification being organised to kill and self-appointed redeemers of the masses; even Seargeant DOE of Liberia was better than KOROMA, at least his destructio of the STATE took a decade, KOROMA and his gang destroyed more in 2/3 months that 7 years of civil war..it was LIBERIA's example that TAUGHT ECOWAS that you cannot watch nor isolate this..the RUF is an offshoot of Charles Taylor's NPFL and just for a tip..Charles Taylor of Liberia loaned the AFRC, fighters and moral support in order to thwart the return (in his opinion) of Kabbah, a Mandinka and therefore, by his logic a secret supporter of Taylor rival Alhaji Kromah..it was NIGERIA's tough stance in ECOMOG and Abacha's whirlwind tour of ECOWAS capitals that kept the unity of ECOWAS stand on the Sierra Leone issue..I will let you draw your own conclusion but I am sure that had KOROMA succeeded..West Africa will see further destabilisation and breaking up along ethic lines, with an alliance of CRIMINAL leaders vs. the rest; in the interim forget any dreams of regional cooperation and development..Johny Paul Koroma even had a vision of Christ and short of declaring Sierra Leone a CHRISTIAN country..did everything to sharpen the diffrerence..between him and ALHAJI TEJAN KABBAH..this was the other dimension..of what was creeping into Sierra Leone and the sub-region..remember Taylor claimed that ECOMOG came about because then ECOWAS chairman Sir Dawda Jawara and his son Abass Bundu, ECOWAS secretary general (TAYLOR's words) were secretly helping ALHAJI KROMAH..again TAYLOR'S ENTHIC and RELIGIOUS CONSPIRACY.. I refuse to accept also that when we collectively elect leaders and organs of civil government, any attempt to restore civil order is done for one man..no..the president is not one person but the embodiment of our will and desire for civil govt. under a set of accepted rules, ie constitutional rule. I cannot answer the question about Kabbah's feelings but urge you to review his CV and you will discover that Kabbah is not the typical power-hungry African leader but an accomplished person and a worthy example for us ...young aspiring Africans, (in the International or seeking International stature) and I remind you that Kabbah was elected by Sierra Leoneans after a hard fouht and won democracy and 90% of the civil service had refused the back to work order by the AFRC and defied and rejected the putschist so if Kabbah and the International had not taken this action, we would have betrayed the Sierra Leonean people.. I am glad to report that as of 13th February, Freetown was in the hands of ecomog forces and the people were jubilating and celebrating with the junta and its apologists on the run.. I am proud that for once AFRICANS have decided for AFRICANS..this was an ECOWAS decision supported by the OAU the UN and the international..in the words of Gen Abacha .. we Africans are tired of coups and do not want any more coups.. like you I hope this holds true across the board and I find it hard to see how Abacha can reconcile Nigerians fighting and dying to restore democracy in Sierra Leone and denying them democracy at home...I expect Abacha to lead Nigeria to some form of democratic govt. by the end of the year as he promised. I suspect though that he (Abacha) will do a la Rawlings or Yaya Jammeh, ie, succeed himself; not the best but at least it helps ensure that there are no coups for a while, apparently the soldier-politicians are very good at securing State House (REALPOLITIK) and the State in the process I apologise for the long lecture but assure that I mean no insult except to show that we (Africans) have problems and more than anything we need to saved from the scourge of self-appointed and gun-toting leaders, we need some stability so that we can work out how best to develop our peoples and nations pmj in Banjul and supporting ecomog ---------- > From: mmjeng@image.dk > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa > Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11:48 PM > > Gambia-Lers, > It is sad that the Nigerian-Led ECOMOG pound Freetown with artillery > shells and nobody knows the exact number of death toll. It must be > very serious. There was a report that about 50 people > trying to escape to neighboring Guinea drowned when their boat > capsized > Does it mean that if there is any coup again in > West Africa Nigeria will do the same. > Where is the OAU and what are they doing. > Where is the African Ladies Mission On Peace And Humanitarian Issues. > I am sure they have something to tell their husbands. > How does President Kabbah feel about the pounding of his country and > people, the thoundands of civilians fleeing, the unknown death toll > and those trap in the city. All for him one person to be back to > rule. > Is Abacha democratic enough to led ECOMAG to restore democracy > in Sierre Leone. > Lets pray for our people in Sierre Leone and may God rescue them > immediately. > Greetings > Matarr M. Jeng > > P/S Housainou, Your poem is just but great. Keep it up. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:03:24 EST From: KTouray@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re:The Public Affairs TV Program that never materialised Message-ID: <1a569395.34e7824e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A while back a list member lamented that his proposal to put together a public affairs show on Gambian television was cleverly killed in the guise of official consideration.It is unfortuanate that such a worthwhile idea met such a fate because bringing together a balanced panel of media types together with civic, religious and political leaders to discuss issues would have significantly elevated the level of public discourse. I would dare to speculate that the producers would not be merely interested in a slug fest between interlocutors on the program but would aim to have the veiwers exposed to all sides of the issue and equip them to draw their own conclusions. The public would also be introduced to policy makers who have significant imput in things that greatly impact their lives and those officials inturn would have profiles and reputations built by appearing on this powerful medium. Wouldn't it be great for example to have a discussion on housing with the director of social secutity and housing finance corp and an economist from the finance ministry talking about gov't approaches to solving the housing crunch on the one hand and have the gentleman who runs TAF construction speak on private sector approaches to solving the same issue. A would be home buyer would find such a discussion informative and it can help him decide weather to signup for the new Brusubi housing project or to hire a contractor and build on his own. In fact here is how I envision a discussion on Education policy unfolding on such a program. It would begin with shots of returning fishing boats on the Gunjur beach while a very soft Halam plays in the background and then the voice of the moderator comes on saying' Goodevening and thank you for joining us here on our weekly program JAKARRLO I am your host Morro Bah. Today we focus on education and to help us shed light on this very important issue albeit from two radically different perspectives are Mrs Ancha Sohna a successful businesswoman who runs two private grade schools and also writes a regular column on education issues and Mr Dawda Nyang assistant to minister for policy planning and curriculum development and author of' Hamham : a guide to teacher training'. Let me begin with you Mrs sohna, it is my understanding that you favor decentralising the entire education system in this country essentially dismantling the huge ministry of education and delegating its functions to what you call school districts. ' well Morro you are partially correct in your characterisation . What i favor is to significantly whittle down the bereaucracy at the ministry and in it's place we would carve out what would be local entities throughout this nation. The government would retain a skeleton staff who would be responsible for developing curricullum and setting performance standards and training teachers . Each school district would be apportioned resouces proportional to the student concentration and other criteria like infrastructure needs and be given flexibilty to hire and fire staff from the pool of teachers the gov't would train. In return for the resources that the gov't would disburse school districts would be required to maintain established performance standards and impeccable openess and accountibilty. This would help ensure that resources are spent wisely as every school district vies to outperform the other and our children would come out winners. Right now we spend tens of millions of Dalasis every year that does not come near producing the results anyone wants . Families are literally going hungry just to help pay for high school education. alot of that has do with misdirection of resources and i think once we let the stake holders in local communities run things we can improve on the meagre resources we have.'' ' But Mrs Sohna aren't you just shifting the bereaucracy from Buckle street to your districts without reallychanging anything.?' ' No what you are setting up at the school districts would consist only of the requisite number people needed to perform specific tasks like hiring teachers , buying supplies and coordinators to ensure that things are running as they are supposed to. It would be a small and precise group.'. Mr Nyang I see you shaking your head .....what is wrong with having the people of Farafenni running there schools?' ' Well two things to begin with. First of all her proposal would be prohibitively expensive. you are talking about setting up mini departments of education all over this country. I would admit i haven't run any numbers on her proposal but it would entail far more resources than this country can afford. Secondly it would most definately produce a system of absolute winners and losers. I believe the nation must constantly strive to improve education but it must be conducted from single entity as opposed to a hodge podge of platforms.'. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:33:54 EST From: SANG1220@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) Message-ID: <7949aa0f.34e79784@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Bravo Malanding, but being an employee of the govt. aside, he (tomborn) can dissuade some powers that be unless he's scared or being a hypocrite. Thanks Daddy Sang ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:49:18 -0500 From: Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ Message-ID: <71C35CDEBD9BD011865F00805FA6DA73269D88@WEB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Pa Musa, I definately agree, but I hope this trend of unity among ECOWAS continues. Lets hope it will not be a selective process as when to jump in and restore a legitimate regime back in power. It should not not be based on religious grounds or anything else... Baboucarr Sillah > -----Original Message----- > From: pmj@commit.gm [SMTP:gambia-l@commit.gm] > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 1998 9:24 AM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ > > Sent by "Pa Musa Jallow" <pmj@commit.gm> > via Commit > > > Mr Jeng, > I beg to differ, I think if you recall an earlier piece on the Bantaba > by > Ali Masrui regarding Pax Nigeriana..that he would rather a Nigerian > (African ) Military Govt. fight to restore a democracy in Africa than > a > Western democracy restore a client-puppet dictatorship in Africa or > the > underdeveloped world.. > I think it is time that Africans start refusing to allow any > journeyman to > hold a state hostage by violence or the threat of; what you have (had) > in > Sierra Leone was akin to what pertained in The Gambia iin 1981..a > bunch of > non-entities with arms take-over control of the State and unleash > mayhem..opening the jails and letting loose chaos and pandemodium...my > best > friend who happens to be a lawyer with an LLM in International Law and > Human Rights, and who published a Human Rights Column on the The Daily > Observer (during the days of the AFPRC) was in Freetown Sierra Leone > during > the take-oever in May and for a further 2 months, and saw first hand > the > complete lack of mission, integrity and decency of the so-called AFRC > in > Sierra Leone, daily lootings, beatins and arrests by armed persons, > either > Soldiers, or their allies , the RUF or common thugs unleashed from the > jails, the nights were punctuated with looting of private residences , > rapings and murder of innocents,..one example is that the actual coup > maker, Corporal Gborie Tamba, who had to allow Major Koroma to lead, > because he is completely uneducated but famous for his coup broadcasts > was > seen leading an armed band in pillaging and robbing private > residences, > ...then he was made leader of an anti-looting squad that shot on sight > alleged looters, he was then caught leading a looting spree and > notably the > looting of the Iranian Islamic Cultural Centre and for this he was > demoted > from Seargeant to which he was promoted to Corporal and kicked out of > the > ruling council; that very night he led an attack on the barracks of > Koroma, > apparently intent on taking over again, was defeated and as of the > liberation of Freetown by ecomog, he was supposed to have been in > custody > at Pademba Road prison > so what is my point? > we the so called educated and intellegentsia should take a long hard > look > at our practical options if our modern states are not only to survive > and > prosper and and it is no longer acceptable or tenable that any group > of > persons by virtue of violence should be allowed to take over the > State; > their only qualification being organised to kill and self-appointed > redeemers of the masses; even Seargeant DOE of Liberia was better than > KOROMA, at least his destructio of the STATE took a decade, KOROMA and > his > gang destroyed more in 2/3 months that 7 years of civil war..it was > LIBERIA's example that TAUGHT ECOWAS that you cannot watch nor isolate > this..the RUF is an offshoot of Charles Taylor's NPFL and just for a > tip..Charles Taylor of Liberia loaned the AFRC, fighters and moral > support > in order to thwart the return (in his opinion) of Kabbah, a Mandinka > and > therefore, by his logic a secret supporter of Taylor rival Alhaji > Kromah..it was NIGERIA's tough stance in ECOMOG and Abacha's whirlwind > tour > of ECOWAS capitals that kept the unity of ECOWAS stand on the Sierra > Leone > issue..I will let you draw your own conclusion but I am sure that had > KOROMA succeeded..West Africa will see further destabilisation and > breaking > up along ethic lines, with an alliance of CRIMINAL leaders vs. the > rest; in > the interim forget any dreams of regional cooperation and > development..Johny Paul Koroma even had a vision of Christ and short > of > declaring Sierra Leone a CHRISTIAN country..did everything to sharpen > the > diffrerence..between him and ALHAJI TEJAN KABBAH..this was the other > dimension..of what was creeping into Sierra Leone and the > sub-region..remember Taylor claimed that ECOMOG came about because > then > ECOWAS chairman Sir Dawda Jawara and his son Abass Bundu, ECOWAS > secretary > general (TAYLOR's words) were secretly helping ALHAJI KROMAH..again > TAYLOR'S ENTHIC and RELIGIOUS CONSPIRACY.. > I refuse to accept also that when we collectively elect leaders and > organs > of civil government, any attempt to restore civil order is done for > one > man..no..the president is not one person but the embodiment of our > will and > desire for civil govt. under a set of accepted rules, ie > constitutional > rule. > I cannot answer the question about Kabbah's feelings but urge you to > review > his CV and you will discover that Kabbah is not the typical > power-hungry > African leader but an accomplished person and a worthy example for us > ..young aspiring Africans, (in the International or seeking > International > stature) and I remind you that Kabbah was elected by Sierra Leoneans > after > a hard fouht and won democracy and 90% of the civil service had > refused the > back to work order by the AFRC and defied and rejected the putschist > so if > Kabbah and the International had not taken this action, we would have > betrayed the Sierra Leonean people.. > I am glad to report that as of 13th February, Freetown was in the > hands of > ecomog forces and the people were jubilating and celebrating with the > junta > and its apologists on the run.. > I am proud that for once AFRICANS have decided for AFRICANS..this was > an > ECOWAS decision supported by the OAU the UN and the international..in > the > words of Gen Abacha .. > we Africans are tired of coups and do not want any more coups.. > like you I hope this holds true across the board and I find it hard to > see > how Abacha can reconcile Nigerians fighting and dying to restore > democracy > in Sierra Leone and denying them democracy at home...I expect Abacha > to > lead Nigeria to some form of democratic govt. by the end of the year > as he > promised. I suspect though that he (Abacha) will do a la Rawlings or > Yaya > Jammeh, ie, succeed himself; not the best but at least it helps ensure > that > there are no coups for a while, apparently the soldier-politicians are > very > good at securing State House (REALPOLITIK) and the State in the > process > > I apologise for the long lecture but assure that I mean no insult > except to > show that we (Africans) have problems and more than anything we need > to > saved from the scourge of self-appointed and gun-toting leaders, we > need > some stability so that we can work out how best to develop our peoples > and > nations > pmj in Banjul and supporting ecomog > ---------- > > From: mmjeng@image.dk > > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa > > Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11:48 PM > > > > Gambia-Lers, > > It is sad that the Nigerian-Led ECOMOG pound Freetown with artillery > > > shells and nobody knows the exact number of death toll. It must be > > very serious. There was a report that about 50 people > > trying to escape to neighboring Guinea drowned when their boat > > capsized > > Does it mean that if there is any coup again in > > West Africa Nigeria will do the same. > > Where is the OAU and what are they doing. > > Where is the African Ladies Mission On Peace And Humanitarian > Issues. > > I am sure they have something to tell their husbands. > > How does President Kabbah feel about the pounding of his country and > > > people, the thoundands of civilians fleeing, the unknown death toll > > and those trap in the city. All for him one person to be back to > > rule. > > Is Abacha democratic enough to led ECOMAG to restore democracy > > in Sierre Leone. > > Lets pray for our people in Sierre Leone and may God rescue them > > immediately. > > Greetings > > Matarr M. Jeng > > > > P/S Housainou, Your poem is just but great. Keep it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:54:28 -0500 From: Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Happy belated val. day! Message-ID: <71C35CDEBD9BD011865F00805FA6DA73269D89@WEB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I hope none of the single ladies would become your valentine next year simply because you are to become a chemist, they should find something more important than a mere title...(just a thought) Goodluck in your search! Baboucarr Sillah > -----Original Message----- > From: Sambujang Kouyateh [SMTP:kouyateh@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 1998 2:27 PM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Happy belated val. day! > > What's up...what's up fellows?? > > I hope all the love-birds in the house had a lot of fun yesterday. My > woman and I had a big "fight" last night...not proud of it a bit. So, > to > the single ladies in the house, will you > > Be Mg V Al N Ti Ne next year? > > Soon to-be single Chemist, > Sambujang. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:48:03 -0000 From: "foroyaa@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: UPDATE ON GAYE AND SILLAH Message-ID: <B0000055237@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Foroyaa" <foroyaa@commit.gm> via Commit It appears that some concerned persons are still under the notion that Baboucarr Gaye and Ebrima Sillah are still under detention. It is our duty to give you an update that Baboucarr and Ebrima are released. Ebrima Sillah was released on saturday, 7 February, 1998 and has not been charged. Baboucarr Gaye was released on the 8 February, 1998, then detained again when he reported on bail, but subsequently released on Thursday, 12 February, 1998. He is charged for operating a radio station without licence. We will give you a more detailed report in due course. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:20:52 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Unwarranted letters Message-ID: <34E9AAD4.7029@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Famara Demba wrote: > > List members, > > It is to my understanding that Malanding S. Jaiteh and Sailey Sey are both > against unwarranted mails( personal mails) posted to this list. Therefore I > would assume that their recent letters were unintentionally posted to the > list. Is that right Folks? Correct me if I'm wrong please will you? I am > pretty sure that most of the personal mails seen on this list were posted > unintentionally. Mistakes are human and I hope we always learn from them. > > Thank you and keep hopes alive. > > Famara Demba, > Columbus, Ohio. I agree. personal mails should be directly sent to intended receipients only since both parties have e mails. -- Habib Diab Ghanim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:42:39 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) Message-ID: <9802160642.AA20638@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gambia-L, I wish to share the following response by Dr. Sulayman Nyang. I hope that you find reading it worthwhile. Thanks to all who responded, either privately or on this list. Regards, Moe S. Jallow *********************************************************************** > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:45:09 -0500 (EST) > From: Sulayman Nyang <nyang@xavier.cldc.howard.edu> > To: Modou Jallow <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa > In-Reply-To: <9802110658.AA31888@st6000.sct.edu> From: nyang@cldc.howard.edu Thanks for your message informing us about the state of affairs in Sierra Leone. I think Gambians should show interest in the state of affairs in Sierra leone. I can give five reasons why we should show interest and concern. The first reason is that many Gambians and persons of Gambian descent now see Sierra leone as their adopted homeland.This Gambian diaspora in Sierra leone is usually associated with our Serahuli clansmen,but the Gambian presence is more diverse than that. The second reason is that many Gambians are of Sierra Leone origin. The Krio (Aku) in the Gambia originated in Sierra Leone. The decision of Lt. Governor Rendall in the early 1800's to bring many Krios into the newly created Bathurst settlement (now called Banjul) paved the way for the Krio factor in Gambian history.Many Gambians have relatives and in-laws from this important community of Gambians.Their contributions to Gambian society range from the Agugu (Yoruba:Egungun), fufu and Akara to the Asobi and Osusu. There are many other things to list. To do justice to the subject one may have to write an essay on Gambian-Sierra Leonean Relations in the Age of European Colonization. The third reason why Gambians should show interest in Sierra Leone is that the peoples of Sierra Leone are part ofthe West Sudan civilizations. Their ethnic groups are related to other Gambian ethnics. The Mende, the Yalunka, the Sherbro, the Susu and the Mandingo of that country are cousins to our people of the mande-speaking group of West Africa. The same is true of the Fula, the Krio and the Temne.The fourth reason why the Gambians should show interest in the state of affairs in Sierra Leone lies in the common regional destiny that seems to lump all the West African states in a circle of military violence. The late Kwame Nkrumah warned the Africans of his generation to avoid the pitfalls of disunity. He wrote and I quote from memory: " If we fail to unite Africa will be plunged into the same condition as Latin America is after one hundred years of political independence...We will be victims and martyrs of neocolonialism." What the Ghanaian leader was saying is that the military coup detat would become as common place in Africa as it was (then) in Latin America. Africans should study the history of coup detats in Latin America and identify the factors and forces responsible for the elimination of the military coup detat in that hemisphere's political life. Since the Gambians have also gone through the agony of a military coup, it would be politically naive not to think the unthinkable. once upon a time the Sierra leoneans thought that the political volcano rocking other African states could not destabilize their peaceful way of life. Those who are seriously interested in the stability of the region, cannot ignore the threat to regional and local peace in any of the countries. The fifth and last reason why Gambians should pay attention to the state of affairs in Sierra Leone, lies in the fact that Sierra Leone has set many precedents for Africa. Let me list a few of them for your reflection and comment.The first precedent from the land the Portuguese called Sierra Leone, took place in 1967, when the late Siaka Stevens was elected to replace Prime Minister Albert Margai. This was certainly unprecedented in African politics . It took place at a time when the single party system was the order of the day.Since then the Sierra Leone example has been followed only in Mauretius and Zambia.The second precedent is the fact that the military in Sierra Leone carried out a coup detat and returned Siaka Stevens back to power, following the coup detats of Lansana Musa and Commander Juxson Smith respectively. The third precedent from Sierra Leone is the fact that this is the only African country whose civilian president decided to groom a military officer to succeed him.This is the Stevens-Momoh deal which blurred the lines of demarcation between the civilian politicians and the military establishment in Sierra leone. If the Nigerian forces dislodged the ruling junta in Freetown, Sierra leone would set another political precedent in Africa. Here we witness an unprecedented spectacle of one military force taking action against another in the name of restoring civilian rule in Sierra Leone. What is unprecedented is the fact that the the democratically elected civilian ruler to be restored is being restored by an external force (Nigeria)at a time when that very military power is the target of pro-democracy forces in Nigeria and elsewhere. The Nigerian intervention is certainly not unprecedented.The activities of the Senegalese army in the Gambia , following the Kukoi Samba Sanyang abortive coup detat in July 1981 and the French army in the restoration of Gabonese President Leon Mba in 1963 provide interesting constrasts for students of African politics. I hope you will find this informative and provocative.Let me hear from you. Sulayman S. Nyang Howard University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:30:27 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) Message-ID: <01bd3ace$4773fe60$8f2385c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Prof.! What more could we say?! Thanks a ton for the refresher and keep up the good work down there! Regards Bassss! -----Original Message----- From: Modou Jallow <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) >Gambia-L, > >I wish to share the following response by Dr. Sulayman Nyang. I hope that >you find reading it worthwhile. > >Thanks to all who responded, either privately or on this list. > >Regards, >Moe S. Jallow >*********************************************************************** > >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:45:09 -0500 (EST) >> From: Sulayman Nyang <nyang@xavier.cldc.howard.edu> >> To: Modou Jallow <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> >> Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa >> In-Reply-To: <9802110658.AA31888@st6000.sct.edu> > >From: nyang@cldc.howard.edu > >Thanks for your message informing us about the state of affairs in Sierra >Leone. I think Gambians should show interest in the state of affairs in >Sierra leone. I can give five reasons why we should show interest and >concern. The first reason is that many Gambians and persons of Gambian >descent now see Sierra leone as their adopted homeland.This Gambian >diaspora in Sierra leone is usually associated with our Serahuli >clansmen,but the Gambian presence is more diverse than that. The second >reason is that many Gambians are of Sierra Leone origin. The Krio (Aku) in >the Gambia originated in Sierra Leone. The decision of Lt. Governor >Rendall in the early 1800's to bring many Krios into the newly >created Bathurst settlement (now called Banjul) paved the way for the Krio >factor in Gambian history.Many Gambians have relatives and in-laws from >this important community of Gambians.Their contributions to Gambian >society range from the Agugu (Yoruba:Egungun), fufu and Akara to the Asobi >and Osusu. There are many other things to list. To do justice to the >subject one may have to write an essay on Gambian-Sierra Leonean Relations >in the Age of European Colonization. The third reason why Gambians should >show interest in Sierra Leone is that the peoples of Sierra Leone are part >ofthe West Sudan civilizations. Their ethnic groups are related to other >Gambian ethnics. The Mende, the Yalunka, the Sherbro, the Susu and the >Mandingo of that country are cousins to our people of the mande-speaking >group of West Africa. The same is true of the Fula, the Krio and the >Temne.The fourth reason why the Gambians should show interest in the state >of affairs in Sierra Leone lies in the common regional destiny that seems >to lump all the West African states in a circle of military violence. The >late Kwame Nkrumah warned the Africans of his generation to avoid the >pitfalls of disunity. He wrote and I quote from memory: " If we fail to >unite Africa will be plunged into the same condition as Latin America is >after one hundred years of political independence...We will be victims and >martyrs of neocolonialism." What the Ghanaian leader was saying is that >the military coup detat would become as common place in Africa as it was >(then) in Latin America. Africans should study the history of coup detats >in Latin America and identify the factors and forces responsible for the >elimination of the military coup detat in that hemisphere's political >life. Since the Gambians have also gone through the agony of a military >coup, it would be politically naive not to think the unthinkable. once >upon a time the Sierra leoneans thought that the political volcano >rocking other African states could not destabilize their peaceful way of >life. Those who are seriously interested in the stability of the region, >cannot ignore the threat to regional and local peace in any of the >countries. The fifth and last reason why Gambians should pay attention to >the state of affairs in Sierra Leone, lies in the fact that Sierra Leone >has set many precedents for Africa. Let me list a few of them for your >reflection and comment.The first precedent from the land the Portuguese >called Sierra Leone, took place in 1967, when the late Siaka Stevens was >elected to replace Prime Minister Albert Margai. This was certainly >unprecedented in African politics . It took place at a time when the >single party system was the order of the day.Since then the Sierra Leone >example has been followed only in Mauretius and Zambia.The second >precedent is the fact that the military in Sierra Leone carried out a coup >detat and returned Siaka Stevens back to power, following the coup detats >of Lansana Musa and Commander Juxson Smith respectively. The third >precedent from Sierra Leone is the fact that this is the only African >country whose civilian president decided to groom a military officer to >succeed him.This is the Stevens-Momoh deal which blurred the lines of >demarcation between the civilian politicians and the military >establishment in Sierra leone. If the Nigerian forces dislodged the ruling >junta in Freetown, Sierra leone would set another political precedent in >Africa. Here we witness an unprecedented spectacle of one military force >taking action against another in the name of restoring civilian rule in >Sierra Leone. What is unprecedented is the fact that the the >democratically elected civilian ruler to be restored is being restored by >an external force (Nigeria)at a time when that very military power is the >target of pro-democracy forces in Nigeria and elsewhere. The Nigerian >intervention is certainly not unprecedented.The activities of the >Senegalese army in the Gambia , following the Kukoi Samba Sanyang >abortive coup detat in July 1981 and the French army in the restoration of >Gabonese President Leon Mba in 1963 provide interesting constrasts for >students of African politics. I hope you will find this informative and >provocative.Let me hear from you. >Sulayman S. Nyang >Howard University > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:10:39 PST From: "Omar Gibba" <ojgibba@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: New member! Message-ID: <19980216121039.11137.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Could you please add Mr. Musa sise to the Gambial-l. His e-mail address is: sis0909r@uel.ac.uk Thank you very much for your cooperation, Peace! Omar Jibba (o.J) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:09:19 +0100 From: "Housainou Taal" <Housainou.Taal@wfp.org> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) Message-ID: <C12565AD.00470380.00@wfp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dr. Nyang, Your posting is very well done and so insightful! I found the book, " Agrarian Question and Reformism in Latin America" a good peice to read on this subject. The author, Alain de Janvry (1981) was my college tutor and can be contacted for further reference by those who want to pursue this subject further. His address is as follows: Prof. Alain de Janvry Gianini Hall University of Califiornia-Berkeley, Berkeley, California 94720, U.S.A. Regards, Housainou mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) on 16-02-98 07:42:39 Please respond to gambia-l@u.washington.edu To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> cc: (bcc: Housainou Taal/OD/WFP) Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) Gambia-L, I wish to share the following response by Dr. Sulayman Nyang. I hope that you find reading it worthwhile. Thanks to all who responded, either privately or on this list. Regards, Moe S. Jallow *********************************************************************** > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:45:09 -0500 (EST) > From: Sulayman Nyang <nyang@xavier.cldc.howard.edu> > To: Modou Jallow <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa > In-Reply-To: <9802110658.AA31888@st6000.sct.edu> From: nyang@cldc.howard.edu Thanks for your message informing us about the state of affairs in Sierra Leone. I think Gambians should show interest in the state of affairs in Sierra leone. I can give five reasons why we should show interest and concern. The first reason is that many Gambians and persons of Gambian descent now see Sierra leone as their adopted homeland.This Gambian diaspora in Sierra leone is usually associated with our Serahuli clansmen,but the Gambian presence is more diverse than that. The second reason is that many Gambians are of Sierra Leone origin. The Krio (Aku) in the Gambia originated in Sierra Leone. The decision of Lt. Governor Rendall in the early 1800's to bring many Krios into the newly created Bathurst settlement (now called Banjul) paved the way for the Krio factor in Gambian history.Many Gambians have relatives and in-laws from this important community of Gambians.Their contributions to Gambian society range from the Agugu (Yoruba:Egungun), fufu and Akara to the Asobi and Osusu. There are many other things to list. To do justice to the subject one may have to write an essay on Gambian-Sierra Leonean Relations in the Age of European Colonization. The third reason why Gambians should show interest in Sierra Leone is that the peoples of Sierra Leone are part ofthe West Sudan civilizations. Their ethnic groups are related to other Gambian ethnics. The Mende, the Yalunka, the Sherbro, the Susu and the Mandingo of that country are cousins to our people of the mande-speaking group of West Africa. The same is true of the Fula, the Krio and the Temne.The fourth reason why the Gambians should show interest in the state of affairs in Sierra Leone lies in the common regional destiny that seems to lump all the West African states in a circle of military violence. The late Kwame Nkrumah warned the Africans of his generation to avoid the pitfalls of disunity. He wrote and I quote from memory: " If we fail to unite Africa will be plunged into the same condition as Latin America is after one hundred years of political independence...We will be victims and martyrs of neocolonialism." What the Ghanaian leader was saying is that the military coup detat would become as common place in Africa as it was (then) in Latin America. Africans should study the history of coup detats in Latin America and identify the factors and forces responsible for the elimination of the military coup detat in that hemisphere's political life. Since the Gambians have also gone through the agony of a military coup, it would be politically naive not to think the unthinkable. once upon a time the Sierra leoneans thought that the political volcano rocking other African states could not destabilize their peaceful way of life. Those who are seriously interested in the stability of the region, cannot ignore the threat to regional and local peace in any of the countries. The fifth and last reason why Gambians should pay attention to the state of affairs in Sierra Leone, lies in the fact that Sierra Leone has set many precedents for Africa. Let me list a few of them for your reflection and comment.The first precedent from the land the Portuguese called Sierra Leone, took place in 1967, when the late Siaka Stevens was elected to replace Prime Minister Albert Margai. This was certainly unprecedented in African politics . It took place at a time when the single party system was the order of the day.Since then the Sierra Leone example has been followed only in Mauretius and Zambia.The second precedent is the fact that the military in Sierra Leone carried out a coup detat and returned Siaka Stevens back to power, following the coup detats of Lansana Musa and Commander Juxson Smith respectively. The third precedent from Sierra Leone is the fact that this is the only African country whose civilian president decided to groom a military officer to succeed him.This is the Stevens-Momoh deal which blurred the lines of demarcation between the civilian politicians and the military establishment in Sierra leone. If the Nigerian forces dislodged the ruling junta in Freetown, Sierra leone would set another political precedent in Africa. Here we witness an unprecedented spectacle of one military force taking action against another in the name of restoring civilian rule in Sierra Leone. What is unprecedented is the fact that the the democratically elected civilian ruler to be restored is being restored by an external force (Nigeria)at a time when that very military power is the target of pro-democracy forces in Nigeria and elsewhere. The Nigerian intervention is certainly not unprecedented.The activities of the Senegalese army in the Gambia , following the Kukoi Samba Sanyang abortive coup detat in July 1981 and the French army in the restoration of Gabonese President Leon Mba in 1963 provide interesting constrasts for students of African politics. I hope you will find this informative and provocative.Let me hear from you. Sulayman S. Nyang Howard University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:21:44 -0500 From: "Mambuna Bojang" <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: CAF results Message-ID: <34E84B77.3CCD798B@mail.transy.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F820BE6A42F1C010DAF24757" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F820BE6A42F1C010DAF24757 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think some of you might be interested in this. Have a great day. God Speed!! Pa-Mambuna, the Bluegrass state. --------------F820BE6A42F1C010DAF24757 Content-Type: application/x-perl; name="caf.pl" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="caf.pl" <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <title>Latest Results</title> <meta name="FORMATTER" content="Microsoft FrontPage 2.0"> </head> <body stylesrc="compet.htm" background="../images/logo225.jpg" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <p><img src="../images/title_latest_results.gif" width="233" height="91"></p> <p> <pre> <font color="#000080"> 16,2.98, PRELIMINARY ROUND RESULTS OF CAF INTER CLUBS COMPETITIONS THE SEVENTH CAF CUP 1998 No Match 1st leg 2nd leg 1-2. *APR(Rwanda)/Asmara Beer(Eritrea) Rwa,3-0 Eri,0-0 3-4. Anges de Fatima (Central Africa)/*Atletico Malabo (Eq. Guinea) Anges disq. Dates : Match 1: 30.31.01.98 - 1.02.98. Match 2: 13.14.15.02.98 THE 24TH AFRICAN CUP OF CUP WINNERS 1998 No Match 1stleg 2ndleg 1-2. Wolaita Tusssaa (Ethiopia)/*Red Sea (Eritrea) Eth,0-2 Eri,3-3 3-4. *Dragons (Benin) / Gazelle (Tchad) Ben,4-1 Tch,2-2 5-6. *Notwane (Botswana) / Bantu (Lesotho) Bot,4-1 Les,4-0 7-8. *Tanzania Stars (Tanzania)/Bata Bullets (Malawi) Tan,3-1 Maw,2-2 9-10. *Rwanda FC (Rwanda / St. Louis (Seychelles) Rwa,6-1 Sey,1-0 11-12. V. club (Congo)/T.P. UCSA de Bangui (Central Africa) V. club withdr. & UCSA disq. For financial arrears 13-14. Vital'O (Burundi)/Sony El Nguema (Eq. Guinea) Bur,2-1 postp.1 week Dates : 30.31.01.98 - 1.02.98 13.14.15.02.98 THE SECOND CAF CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 1998 No Match 1stleg 2ndleg 1-2. St. Michel Utd. (Seychelles)/*Coffee (Ethiopia) Sey,1-0 Eth,1-8 3-4. Rayon Sport (Rwanda) / Maniema (Burundi) Ben,6-1 5-6. *Telecom Wanderers (Malawi) / BDF X1 (Botswana) Maw,3-0 Bot,1-1 7-8. Mbabane Swallows (Swazland)/*Defence Force (Lesotho) Swa,1-4 Les,0-2 9-10. Medlaw Megbi (Eritrea) / *Utalii (Kenya) Eri,0-1 Ken,0-1 11-12. St. Louisienne (Réunion) / *Sunrise (Mauritius) Reu,1-2 Mri,1-2 13-14. *Desportivo (Equatorial Guinea) / Munisport (Congo)Munisport withdr. 15-16. Wallidan (Gambia) / *Douanes (Senegal) Gam,0-0 Sen,0-2 17-18. *Mogas 90 (Benin) / East End Lions (Sierra Leone) SLE withdrew 19-20. Tempete Mocaf (Central Africa)/*Tourbillon (Tchad) Tempete disq. Dates : 1st leg: 30.31.01.98 - 1.02.98. 2nd leg: 13.14.15.02.98 Countires marked with * are the ones qualified for the next round. The 21st African Cup of Nations: Group A Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 7 - 16h00 Stade du 4 aoűt 1. Burkina Faso / Cameroon 0-1 Feb 8 - 20h00 Stade Municipal 4. Algeria / Guinea 0-1 Feb 11 - 15h00 Stade Municipal 9. Cameroon / Guinea 2-2 20h00 Stade du 4 aoűt 11. Burkina Faso / Algeria 2-1 Feb 15 - 16h00 Stade du 4 aoűt 17. Burkina Faso / Guinea 1-0 16h00 Stade Municipal 18. Cameroon / Algeria 2-1 CLASSIFICATION Pl W L D GF GA Pts Cameroon 3 2 0 1 5 3 7 Burkina Faso 3 2 1 0 3 2 6 Guinea 3 1 1 1 3 3 4 Algeria 3 0 3 0 2 5 0 Group B Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 9 - 16h00 Stade Municipal 5. Togo / DR Congo 1-2 20h30 Stade du 4 aoűt 7. Ghana / Tunisia 2-0 Feb 12 - 16h00 Stade Municipal 12. Tunisia / DR Congo 2-1 20h30 Stade du 4 aoűt 14. Ghana / Togo 1-2 Feb 16 - 17h00 Stade du 4 aoűt 19. Ghana / DR Congo 17h00 Stade Municipal 20. Tunisia / Togo CLASSIFICATION Pl W L D GF GA Pts Ghana 2 1 1 0 3 2 3 DR Congo 2 1 1 0 3 3 3 Togo 2 1 1 0 3 3 3 Tunisia 2 1 1 0 2 3 3 Group C Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 8 - 15h00 Stade Omnisport 2. South Africa / Angola 0-0 18h00 Stade Omnisport 3. C. d'Ivoire / Namibia 4-3 Feb 11 - 17h15 Stade Omnisport 10. South Africa / C. d'Ivoire 1-1 Feb 12 - 18h15 Stade Omnisport 13. Angola / Namibia 3-3 Feb 16 - 20h00 Stade Municipal 21. C. d'Ivoire / Angola 20h00 Stade Omnisport 22. South Africa / Namibia CLASSIFICATION Pl W L D GF GA Pts C. d'Ivoire 2 1 0 1 5 4 4 Angola 2 0 0 2 3 3 2 South Africa 2 0 0 2 1 1 2 Namibia 2 0 1 1 6 7 1 Group D Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 9 - 18h15 Stade Omnisport 6. Zambia / Morocco 1-1 Feb 10 - 18h00 Stade Omnisport 8. Egypt / Mozambique 2-0 Feb 13 - 17h00 Stade Omnisport 15. Zambia / Egypt 0-4 20h00 Stade Omnisport 16. Morocco / Mozambique 3-0 Feb 17 - 16h00 Stade Omnisport 23. Zambia / Mozambique 16h00 Stade Municipal 24. Egypt / Morocco CLASSIFICATION Pl W L D GF GA Pts Egypt 2 2 0 0 6 0 6 Morocco 2 1 0 1 4 1 4 Zambia 2 0 1 1 1 5 1 Mozambique 2 0 2 0 0 5 0 Quarterfinals Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 20 - 16h00 Stade Omnisport 25. Cameroon / runner-up B Feb 21 - 16h00 Stade du 4 aoűt 26. Winner B / Burkina Faso 20h00 Stade Municipal 27. Winner C / runners-up D Feb 22 - 16h00 Stade Municipal 28. Winner D / runner-up C Semifinals Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 25 - 16h00 Stade du 4 aoűt 29. Winner 25 / Winner 28 20h00 Stade Omnisport 30. Winner 26 / Winner 27 Third-place Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 27 - 16h00 Stade Municipal 31. Loser 29 / Loser 30 Final Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 28 - 16h00 Stade du 4 aoűt 32. Winner 29 / Winner 30 Stadiums: Ouagadougou: Stade du 4 aoűt, Stade Municipal. 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The past week has been very promising and productive. A large segment of the D.C. community has embraced the need for a conference and have begun contributing significantly to its success. I hope this is reflected in the emerging format. The principal speakers, facilitators etc. will be posted shortly. Meanwhile, please send your input and inform others about the conference. LatJor +++++++++++++ LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE MEETING THE CHALLENGES OF THE 21ST CENTURY HOWARD UNIVERSITY BLACKBURN CENTER 2:30 P.M. - 6:00 P.M. SATURDAY FEB. 21ST, 1998 You are cordially invited to participate in a Leadership Conference to define the mission, goals, objectives, and plans for the establishment of a Global Gambian Association. CONTEXT The establishment of such an association is based on the expressed interest of the gambian community for the development of an integrated and cohesive community that is self-reliant and productive in: (a) meeting the economic, socio-cultural and professional needs of gambians overseas; (b) making a sustained and valuable contribution to the development of The Gambia, and (c) meeting the challenges of the 21st century and their impact on The Gambia and Gambians. Currently there exists numerous small organizations addressing diverse specific needs of the Gambian community. The Global Association would validate these organizations while seeking to address cross-cutting needs. CONFERENCE AGENDA 1. Registration and Open Space/Open Market Dialogue 2. Plenary - Challenges of the 21st century 3. Concurrent sessions (set 1) 4. Plenary discussion 5. Concurrent sessions (set 2) 6. Plenary session 7. Closure and Next Steps (introduction of: (a) Policy and Strategic Planning Group (to compile information, analyze and finalize for action) (b) Other groups to form to be based on the deliverables from the Policy and Strategic Planning Group.) Concurrent sessions a) The Global Association: Mission, Goals, Guiding Principles, Membership; b) Human Resource Development and Management (Education, Training and Professionalism, Health and Social Protection) c) Knowledge Generation and Dissemination - Building the Learning Community d) Cultural Heritage and Sustainable Development e) Economic and Financial Management f) Managing an effective and sustainable Gambian association - What works, What does not work, What principles to apply, What structures, How to enhance partnership, commitment and ownership. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:48:04 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: New Member Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980216144450.3174A-100000@vampire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List managers, Could you please Fatou Jobe to the list? Her email address is Fatou.Jobe@halliburton.com. Thanks. --------- Anna Secka secka@cse.bridgeport.edu asecka@softcrafters.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:44:45 -0500 From: "Moe S. Jallow" <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Test Message-ID: <199802161744450370.006CA745@150.1.15.80> This is just a test. Please disregard. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:45:40 -0000 From: "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <B0000055650@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> via Commit In response to Paul's enquiry: > How much are the plots selling for? A follow up enquiry was made with the Corporation earlier today and the following information may also be of interest: ========================== Dimension Price (Dalasis) 18 X 25 45,000 20 X 25 50,000 25 X 25 55,000 ========================= E&OE The approx. Mid-Market exchange rate as at today is $1 = Dal 10.2 Regards to all. Archi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:39:34 -0500 From: "Amadou L. Fall" <jambaar@enter.net> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: CAF results Message-ID: <199802170042.TAA19383@mail.enter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, For those of you with a sound card, speakers and a fast modem (i.e., 14Kbps or greater) check out this site - www.audionet.com. You can listen to live broadcast of the BBC and many other radio stations. You will need RealAudio, but the site has a link to download the program. I was just listening to the results for the African Cup of Nations, news about Sierra Leone and Africa... Enjoy!!! Amadou Fall ---------- > From: Mambuna Bojang <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: CAF results > Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 9:21 AM > > I think some of you might be interested in this. Have a great day. > God Speed!! > Pa-Mambuna, the Bluegrass state. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:50:36 -0800 From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980216205036.0069127c@mail.interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:45 PM 2/16/98 -0000, you wrote: > Thank you Archi for the information. Paul. Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> > via Commit > > >In response to Paul's enquiry: > >> How much are the plots selling for? > >A follow up enquiry was made with the Corporation earlier today and the >following information may also be of interest: > >========================== >Dimension Price (Dalasis) > >18 X 25 45,000 > >20 X 25 50,000 > >25 X 25 55,000 >========================= >E&OE > >The approx. Mid-Market exchange rate as at today is $1 = Dal 10.2 > >Regards to all. >Archi > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:30:32 EST From: ADEMBA@aol.com To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Subscription Message-ID: <7d48ea22.34e92e8a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear List Managers, Can you please subscribe Nicolas Fresh to the list. His E-mail address is Wangofresk@hotmail.com. I will appreciate it. Thanks. Alasana. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:28:31 -0400 (AST) From: cherno@acm.org Subject: Responsible e-mailing Message-ID: <199802170628.CAA09297@ipv6-1.ee.tuns.ca> Some thoughts on the recent concern about misdirected mail: It only takes a couple of seconds to verify who you're sending mail to after hitting that REPLY button. Sure enough you can forget to check, but then I guess that's where responsibility steps in. It is also worth the while to learn a bit more about the e-mail software you use; certain configurable options usually let you tailor your environment to your convenience, which can sometimes help prevent ostensibly careless mistakes. Be paranoid, because the next time you inadvertently send personal mail to some 300 people, it may be more--much more--than just a "hello, how are you" message... The issue of learning more about the software tools you use goes beyond just your e-mail software. The list processor that drives this mailing list is another tool worth finding more about. Just send a subjectless message with "help" as the only word in the body of the message to <listproc@u.washington.edu>, and you'll be amazed at how easy it can be to do certain things, or that they can be done at all. You can, for instance, search the gambia-l archives, over several months, by keyword--useful if you were temporarily unsubscribed and wanted to know what was discussed about a particular topic while you were away. Finally, a few suggestions I guess might fall under the category of e-mail etiquette: 1. Avoid sending attachments with your e-mail. Not all e-mail clients understand HTML formatted documents, and certainly not all word processors know M$ Word. Worse yet, some just don't know how to handle attachments. It is the general consensus that computer viruses (virii ?) cannot be spread through e-mail, but attachments are just one way a malicious individual (or prankster, as the case may be) can send trojans galloping into your 'pooter. 2. Explicitly terminate your end-of-lines with the <RETURN> / <ENTER> key. What happens is that some editors would wrap your text around for you while you compose a message but wouldn't necessarily include the proper characters to let other e-mail clients know to end the line there. So a reader can literally receive a message that is a single long, very long, line. Believe me, it can be a pain in the butt! On the same token, don't write very long lines because someone might want to quote your message in their reply and when the ">" character is prepended to the lines of your message, it produces all sorts of messed up formats. 3. If you reply to specific portions of a message and have to quote them, just do so where necessary. If you just reply to praise a piece or say thanks, I doubt if it is really necessary to include the entire 20 or so lines. Chances are, whoever is interested in what you have to say about it already has the original message. If you don't know how to include portions of a message in your reply, well maybe this is the time to "learn a bit more about your e-mail software". Some good places to start are "Help", "Options", "Preferences"... Get my drift? ;-) And a question to the maintainers of the list, who, incidentally, are doing such a great job: is there some form of introduction to the list sent to newly subscribed members? I think this question was raised earlier. A short message with a brief description of Gambia-l and a summary of a few useful commands understood by the list processor would sure go a long way. Some new members have to chill for a while to get a feel for the nature of discussions on the list before they contribute or even send in an introduction. This is OK but first impressions do last and if a member joined at the wrong time, well... Er, did I forget to say that any opinions that might have been raised in this message are humbly mine, and are thus not necessarily entirely true? :-) Many thanks. Cherno Waka Jagne, Halifax ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:07:00 EST From: JHNSHERRIF@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <11c9a05a.34e93716@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Gambians to form a financial Investment firm. Date: February 17,1998 Sender: jhnsherriff@aol.com Greeting or Salam brother s and Sisters: The Gambian organization in Atlanta is testing a investment club that can lead to major financial institution to the Alanta Gambian community. Gambians all over the world should joint an financial investment club for better tomorrow. F.Y.I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:06:57 -0500 From: "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Sierra Leone Message-ID: <34E98B71.7C69@Mail.lig.bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gambia-l: as Nyang mentioned, many of us have ties of some kind to Sierra Leone. My grandfather, Ernest Scattred, emigrated to the Gambia from Sierra Leone. Amadou SJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:09:27 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: SV: leadership conference Message-ID: <9B236DF9AF96CF11A5C94044F32190311DB3DE@DKDIFS02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulation in organizing this conference. Sorry that I can not just fly in from Denmark. From outside it looks very fine, but also very ambitious, to come around the subjects within an hour or so, even you have fine lectures or speakers. My experiences are from NGO-sessions over the years. As I know you gambians, it will demand a very tough discipline, which I do hope you all will accept. I wish all of of you "good luck", and look forward to hear more about it. Asbj=F8rn Nordam > ---------- > Fra: latjor ndow[SMTP:latjor@hotmail.com] > Svar til: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > Sendt: 16. februar 1998 20:32 > Til: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Emne: leadership conference >=20 > Greetings: > Here is an update on the conference. The past week has been very=20 > promising and productive. A large segment of the D.C. community has=20 > embraced the need for a conference and have begun contributing=20 > significantly to its success. I hope this is reflected in the = emerging >=20 > format. The principal speakers, facilitators etc. will be posted=20 > shortly. Meanwhile, please send your input and inform others about = the >=20 > conference. > LatJor > +++++++++++++ > LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE >=20 > MEETING THE CHALLENGES OF THE 21ST CENTURY >=20 > HOWARD UNIVERSITY > BLACKBURN CENTER > 2:30 P.M. - 6:00 P.M. > SATURDAY FEB. 21ST, 1998 >=20 > You are cordially invited to participate in a Leadership Conference = to >=20 > define the mission, goals, objectives, and plans for the = establishment >=20 > of a Global Gambian Association. >=20 > CONTEXT >=20 > The establishment of such an association is based on the expressed=20 > interest of the gambian community for the development of an = integrated >=20 > and cohesive community that is self-reliant and productive in: >=20 > (a) meeting the economic, socio-cultural and professional needs of >=20 > gambians overseas; > (b) making a sustained and valuable contribution to the development = of >=20 > The Gambia, and > (c) meeting the challenges of the 21st century and their impact on = The >=20 > Gambia and Gambians. >=20 > Currently there exists numerous small organizations addressing = diverse >=20 > specific needs of the Gambian community. The Global Association would = > validate these organizations while seeking to address cross-cutting=20 > needs. >=20 > CONFERENCE AGENDA >=20 > 1. Registration and Open Space/Open Market Dialogue > 2. Plenary - Challenges of the 21st century > 3. Concurrent sessions (set 1) > 4. Plenary discussion > 5. Concurrent sessions (set 2) > 6. Plenary session > 7. Closure and Next Steps (introduction of: > (a) Policy and Strategic Planning Group=20 > (to compile information, analyze and finalize for action) > (b) Other groups to form to be based on the deliverables from = the >=20 > Policy and Strategic Planning Group.) >=20 > Concurrent sessions >=20 > a) The Global Association: Mission, Goals, Guiding Principles, >=20 > Membership; > b) Human Resource Development and Management (Education, Training and = > Professionalism, Health and Social Protection) > c) Knowledge Generation and Dissemination - Building the Learning >=20 > Community > d) Cultural Heritage and Sustainable Development > e) Economic and Financial Management > f) Managing an effective and sustainable Gambian association -=20 > What works, What does not work, What principles to apply,=20 > What structures, How to enhance partnership, commitment and =20 > ownership. >=20 > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:57:35 EST From: Gunjur@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <8386a5a8.34e9c181@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Archie, Please excuse my ignorance, but are these measurements in yards, meters ? And l do hope sincerely that these are not feet. Jabou In a message dated 2/16/98 7:39:19 PM, you wrote: <<Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> via Commit In response to Paul's enquiry: > How much are the plots selling for? A follow up enquiry was made with the Corporation earlier today and the following information may also be of interest: ========================== Dimension Price (Dalasis) 18 X 25 45,000 20 X 25 50,000 25 X 25 55,000 ========================= E&OE The approx. Mid-Market exchange rate as at today is $1 = Dal 10.2 Regards to all. Archi ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu> Received: from relay12.mail.aol.com (relay12.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.12]) by air07.mail.aol.com (v38.1) with SMTP; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:39:18 -0500 Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by relay12.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id TAA28642; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA01398; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:39:02 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA17730 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:38:46 -0800 Received: from mail1.sn.no (0@mail1.sn.no [194.143.8.8]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA18403 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:38:28 -0800 Received: from mail2.sn.no (0@mail2.sn.no [194.143.8.114]) by mail1.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with ESMTP id <BAA23522> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:38:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail2.sn.no (t6o203p20.telia.com [195.204.221.80]) by mail2.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with SMTP id <BAA23942> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:20:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from pcgroup (149.212.100.74) by south.commit.gm (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id <B0000055650@south.commit.gm>; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:50:38 +0000 Message-Id: <B0000055650@south.commit.gm> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:45:40 -0000 Reply-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia- l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:36:33 +0000 (GMT) From: "B.M.Jones" <B.M.Jones@econ.hull.ac.uk> To: amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net Cc: GAMBIA-L: ; Subject: Re: Sierra Leone Message-ID: <SIMEON.9802171733.A@p013.gri.hull.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I would like to thank Dr. Nyang as usual, for his brilliant exposition on Sierra Leone and also for educating me a little bit about my history and roots as i am a creole and my great grand father emigrated from Glouster in Sierra Leone to Gambia. Apart from the points already mentioned by him, I would also like to re-echo that every Gambian should take interest of what is happening in the sub region. Sierra Leone have trained hundreds of Gambians incluing four SOS in the current government. There are so many professionals from Sierra Leone in Banjul, some of whom are helping out at the RVH and schools. I hang out with some who are highly trained lawyers,accountants and engineers and these people have been displaced from their own homeland. These are some of the repercussions of internal turmoil in a country. However, BRAVO to Ecomog for solving an African problem. Some people are criticizing Nigeria because of its military government but let's look at the counterfactual, if Nigeria had not taken the lead and intervened in Sierra Leone and used force on Johnny Koroma who was not manly enough to stand up and fight but decided to "chicken out" and is now seeking political asylum - (so much for his bravery), the Sierra Leonian masses would still be suffering. At least the professionals and others can now return home and start the rebuilding process of their shattered economy which is going to be a difficult and uphill task. Their ministry of Finance has was burnt and flattened to the ground and the Central Bank was bombed by those irresponsible rebels. Another lesson that Aficans can derive from this is that we need African solutions to African problems. It is alright for the UN to condemn the military junta, so what! condemnnation does not bring about changes, action does and it has worked in Sierra Leone where a democratic elected government will once again take its righful place at the helm of affairs. cheers Basil On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:06:57 -0500 "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> wrote: > Gambia-l: > > as Nyang mentioned, many of us have ties of some kind to Sierra Leone. > My grandfather, Ernest Scattred, emigrated to the Gambia from Sierra > Leone. > > Amadou SJ ---------------------- B.M.Jones B.M.Jones@econ.hull.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:14:51 -0500 From: globexinc@erols.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SV: leadership conference Message-ID: <34E9D39B.72EC@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Asbjřrn Nordam wrote: > > Congratulation in organizing this conference. Sorry that I can not just > fly in from Denmark. From outside it looks very fine, but also very > ambitious, to come around the subjects within an hour or so, even you > have fine lectures or speakers. My experiences are from NGO-sessions > over the years. As I know you gambians, it will demand a very tough > discipline, which I do hope you all will accept. I wish all of of you > "good luck", and look forward to hear more about it. Asbjřrn Nordam > > > ---------- > > Fra: latjor ndow[SMTP:latjor@hotmail.com] > > Svar til: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > > Sendt: 16. februar 1998 20:32 > > Til: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > > Emne: leadership conference > > > > Greetings: > > Here is an update on the conference. The past week has been very > > promising and productive. A large segment of the D.C. community has > > embraced the need for a conference and have begun contributing > > significantly to its success. I hope this is reflected in the emerging > > > > format. The principal speakers, facilitators etc. will be posted > > shortly. Meanwhile, please send your input and inform others about the > > > > conference. > > LatJor > > +++++++++++++ > > LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE > > > > MEETING THE CHALLENGES OF THE 21ST CENTURY > > > > HOWARD UNIVERSITY > > BLACKBURN CENTER > > 2:30 P.M. - 6:00 P.M. > > SATURDAY FEB. 21ST, 1998 > > > > You are cordially invited to participate in a Leadership Conference to > > > > define the mission, goals, objectives, and plans for the establishment > > > > of a Global Gambian Association. > > > > CONTEXT > > > > The establishment of such an association is based on the expressed > > interest of the gambian community for the development of an integrated > > > > and cohesive community that is self-reliant and productive in: > > > > (a) meeting the economic, socio-cultural and professional needs of > > > > gambians overseas; > > (b) making a sustained and valuable contribution to the development of > > > > The Gambia, and > > (c) meeting the challenges of the 21st century and their impact on The > > > > Gambia and Gambians. > > > > Currently there exists numerous small organizations addressing diverse > > > > specific needs of the Gambian community. The Global Association would > > validate these organizations while seeking to address cross-cutting > > needs. > > > > CONFERENCE AGENDA > > > > 1. Registration and Open Space/Open Market Dialogue > > 2. Plenary - Challenges of the 21st century > > 3. Concurrent sessions (set 1) > > 4. Plenary discussion > > 5. Concurrent sessions (set 2) > > 6. Plenary session > > 7. Closure and Next Steps (introduction of: > > (a) Policy and Strategic Planning Group > > (to compile information, analyze and finalize for action) > > (b) Other groups to form to be based on the deliverables from the > > > > Policy and Strategic Planning Group.) > > > > Concurrent sessions > > > > a) The Global Association: Mission, Goals, Guiding Principles, > > > > Membership; > > b) Human Resource Development and Management (Education, Training and > > Professionalism, Health and Social Protection) > > c) Knowledge Generation and Dissemination - Building the Learning > > > > Community > > d) Cultural Heritage and Sustainable Development > > e) Economic and Financial Management > > f) Managing an effective and sustainable Gambian association - > > What works, What does not work, What principles to apply, > > What structures, How to enhance partnership, commitment and > > ownership. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > You are welcome . If you need an invitation just let us know Habib -- MZ� ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: Sarian Loum <Sarian.Loum@Corp.Sun.COM> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sillah Konateh Message-ID: <libSDtMail.9802171041.29997.sarian@groucho> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: w5xoQX8MbVBZCNbaZGjpVQ== Paul, Please direct this to the individual intended for. I just recently sent mail to the list addressing personal mails issue. regards, sarian > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:51:50 -0800 > From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> > To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Sillah Konateh > Mime-Version: 1.0 > X-Sender: bgibba@mail.interlog.com > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > > Hi! Mr. Konateh, > > I always suspected that you the brother of my friend Lasana Konateh in > Toronto but I never confirmed it until today. I asked Sana about you and he > confirmed that you are indeed his brother. Anyway, write to me by using my > private e-mail address----bgibba@interlog.com so we can say more. My > regards to you. Also, best wishes to you from Sana and his family members, > Fatoumata, Alhagie, Ansumana, Nfamara, Mansata, and Foday. > Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:13:15 -0500 From: globexinc@erols.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone Message-ID: <34E9E14B.3DFB@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit B.M.Jones wrote: > > I would like to thank Dr. Nyang as usual, for his brilliant > exposition on Sierra Leone and also for educating me a > little bit about my history and roots as i am a creole and > my great grand father emigrated from Glouster in Sierra > Leone to Gambia. > > Apart from the points already mentioned by him, I would > also like to re-echo that every Gambian should take > interest of what is happening in the sub region. Sierra > Leone have trained hundreds of Gambians incluing four SOS > in the current government. There are so many professionals > from Sierra Leone in Banjul, some of whom are helping out > at the RVH and schools. I hang out with some who are highly > trained lawyers,accountants and engineers and these people > have been displaced from their own homeland. These are some > of the repercussions of internal turmoil in a country. > > However, BRAVO to Ecomog for solving an African problem. > Some people are criticizing Nigeria because of its military > government but let's look at the counterfactual, if Nigeria > had not taken the lead and intervened in Sierra Leone and > used force on Johnny Koroma who was not manly enough to > stand up and fight but decided to "chicken out" and is now > seeking political asylum - (so much for his bravery), the > Sierra Leonian masses would still be suffering. At least > the professionals and others can now return home and start > the rebuilding process of their shattered economy which is > going to be a difficult and uphill task. Their ministry of > Finance has was burnt and flattened to the ground and the > Central Bank was bombed by those irresponsible rebels. > > Another lesson that Aficans can derive from this is that we > need African solutions to African problems. It is alright > for the UN to condemn the military junta, so what! > condemnnation does not bring about changes, action does and > it has worked in Sierra Leone where a democratic elected > government will once again take its righful place at the > helm of affairs. > > cheers > Basil > > On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:06:57 -0500 "A. Scattred Janneh" > <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > Gambia-l: > > > > as Nyang mentioned, many of us have ties of some kind to Sierra Leone. > > My grandfather, Ernest Scattred, emigrated to the Gambia from Sierra > > Leone. > > > > Amadou SJ > > ---------------------- > B.M.Jones > B.M.Jones@econ.hull.ac.uk You are very correct on why we should all be grateful to to ECOMOG for stopping the misery of the Sierra leonians.We are all somehow related to each other. My grandfather was a muslim lebanese immigrant who got married to the sister/cousin of the late Sir Milton Margai and Albert Margai who were christians. My mom immigrated to the Gambia to marry my dad and we were all born in Banjul. So you can see the relationship both religiously and nationally. After all even as human beings we should be concerned. peace Habib Diab Ghanim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:13:50 -0000 From: "foroyaa@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: LETTER TO SEC. OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS ON GOVT.'S DESIRE TO MEDIATE IN CASAMANCE Message-ID: <B0000056447@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Foroyaa" <foroyaa@commit.gm> via Commit Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Department of State for Foreign Affairs, Marina Parade, Banjul. 16 February, 1998. THE POLICY OF POSITIVE NEUTRALITY AND PROGRESSIVE RAPPROCHEMENT Problems do not solve themselves. They are solved by people. A person who goes asleep while his or her neighbour's house is on fire ultimately may find oneself in a state of permanent sleep when the fire visits one's roof. This is why the move of the government to offer to mediate in the Casamance crisis is very much in tune with the dictates of conventional wisdom. History has no place for people who fail to do their duty when the clarion call is trumpeted by our times and circumstances. History is made by people who have the determination, courage, organisational ability and are willing to elicit immense sacrifice to ensure that the regulatory mechanisms which bind our common humanity and which seek to keep intact our ardent desire to live in peace, prosperity and happiness are revitalised. The Casamance crisis is just next door. Gambians cannot escape the problem. We have the option to either be part of the problem or part of the solution. However, we cannot be part of the solution until we know the concrete realities which govern the crisis. The question now arises: What are we confronted with in Casamance? The answer is simple. It is a war situation. The fundamental task is how to make the forces of aggression to retire for good. This cannot be done until the contending forces yearn for peace and work assiduously to achieve it. This is inconceivable unless the factors which engineer the outbreak of war are understood and addressed. In short, war is the pursuit of the strategic objective of imposing one's will on one's adversary by instruments of coercion. Each contending party prosecutes war in order to attain given strategic objectives. Victory is the attainment of one's strategic objective. Whether a war situation can be contained, managed and ultimately resolved through negotiation or not depends entirely on the strategic objectives of the contending forces and the tenacity with which they cling to the contradictory goals which engender war. When contending forces call for cease fire without having any intension to shift the focal point of their strategic objectives, the peace merely serves as respite to prepare for more vicious war. Such negotiations merely serve to shift the date of reckoning. Hence, if The Gambia is to play a meaningful and decisive role in the resolution of the Casamance crisis, we must move from the shell of the war to the kernel. Once we are able to dissect the problem in order to expose all the vital organs, we may be able to give an objective prognosis and thus adopt a curative strategy. An objective review of the Casamance crisis would reveal the sensitive historical problem of self determination and the post independent conception of territorial integrity which is equated with the maintenance of old colonial borders as the boundaries of newly independent states. As Gambia prepares to take part in mediation, the Department of State for Foreign Affairs must acquaint itself with the historical roots of the crisis as conceived by the contending parties. The Casamance Independentists have a dossier on the historical basis for justifying their uprising. The strengths and weaknesses of their arguments must be thoroughly digested. The Senegalese Government has a dossier on the historical basis to determine the borders of the geopolitical entity now called Senegal. It is important to examine the dossier and fully comprehend the strengths and weaknesses of the historical evidence governing the colonial borders prior to independence. In this regard, there is need for a technical committee to be set up within the Department of State for Foreign Affairs which will liaise with the contending parties as well as the French and British Governments to find out a correct picture of the colonial history of the territory concerned as conceived by the various forces. This is absolutely essential if one is not to find oneself being battered by conflicting claims without being diplomatically literate to raise issues that would minimise differences in conception and promote a more fertile ground for an agreement. Hence, the first step to take is to investigate and gather all the different positions adopted by the contending forces and their justification before going on to set up the terms for negotiation. This is one fundamental step to note. Let us move to the second. Furthermore, it should be borne in mind that mediation may succeed or fail to address the immediate concerns. Hence, those who engage in mediation must know how to forge ahead in good order and how to retreat in good order should there be obstacles. In this way, mediators may safeguard themselves from becoming targets for the release of the aggression of the contending forces. This calls for a policy of positive neutrality. This policy calls for participation in resolving conflicts without being a part of them. This policy is what ECOMOG failed to apply in the Liberian situation. Consequently, immense properties and lives were lost before they learned to cope with the situation. The policy of positive neutrality is based on the acknowledgment that mediation is merely a diplomatic instrument which is utilised to facilitate amicable settlement of dispute. Mediation, therefore, presupposes that the contending parties have consented to the mediation efforts of the mediator. The policy of positive neutrality imposes on the mediator the duty to confine one's role to the reconciliation of the claims and views of the parties to a dispute. It permits the mediator to make proposals which the parties to a dispute may consider and approve thus providing a basis for an agreement or protocol to be signed to settle the dispute. They may also give the mediator the mandate to monitor the agreement. The Gambia, because of its unique position, should adopt the policy of positive neutrality. The reason for this is simple. The crystallization of such a policy is dictated by her geopolitical position as a bridge between the two contending forces. Gambia is, therefore, in a unique position to promote dialogue and the spirit of reconciliation between the two adversaries. However, it can also forfeit the unique advantage if it fails to adhere to the policy of positive neutrality and remain an impartial arbitrator. The reason for this is evident in recent developments. It is important for the Gambian authorities to have it as a focal point in their minds that it was in November, 1996 that the Farafenni attackers penetrated Gambia from the northern part of Senegal and occupied the military camp in Farafenni. On the other hand, the Kartong attackers also penetrated The Gambia from the Casamance in July, 1997. This demonstrates very clearly that Gambia has very porous borders with the contending forces and any alliance with one party could lead it to be the adversary of the other and thus render it vulnerable to the politics of destabilization. In short, attacks could be launched against the Gambian regime with the complicity of one of the contending parties. In this regard, the policy of positive neutrality is what will enable The Gambia to earn the confidence of the contending parties and participate in resolving the crisis without being drawn into it as a warring party. This policy of positive neutrality is a diplomatic instrument which should be one of the cornerstones of Gambia's policy on the resolution of the Casamance crisis. This is the first principle. Let us move to the second. Experience teaches that negotiation may provide a breathing space for a more atrocious and protracted war or a protracted and more durable peace. Suffice it to say negotiations which lead to escalation of conflict may be deemed to be irrelevant and undesirable. Each crisis has its nature and characteristics. The nature of each crisis determines its exigencies. These exigencies must be addressed to effect a settlement of a dispute. Clear-sightedness is necessary to know what it takes to address the exigencies of each situation. It is this farsighted perspective in diplomacy which enables the seasoned diplomats to search and find the principles, procedures and modalities which perfectly answer the urgent problems posed by each crisis situation. In cases where the strategic objectives of the contending forces are diametrically opposed to each other, one may conclude that a negotiated settlement constitutes a grandiose dream. Seasoned diplomats, however, do not resign to situations. They help build situations that make the seemingly unlikely feasible. Such ingenuity, such creative element in international diplomacy is what have prevented many catastrophic situations from unfolding in the course of our historical development. Such creativity, however, is rooted in objectivity. Applying this principle in the Casamance situation, one must ask whether there can be any agenda for peace to deal with the situation. This depends on whether the desire for peace outweighs the desire for war on both sides. Where this is not certain, the aim of the negotiation should be to inject certainty in the process. In our view, measures should be introduced to create an environment where the desire for peace will outweigh the desire for war on all sides. This makes it imperative for all sides to consistently and constantly work for peace. This policy of searching for measures which when implemented truly contributes to the consolidation of peace step by step so that the desire for peace ultimately outweighs the desire for war is the policy of progressive rapprochement. Under such a policy, negotiation serves as a breathing space for protracted peace instead of protracted war. What then are the concrete measures which could be taken to promote protracted peace in Casamance. It goes without saying that where there is so much distrust there is absolute need to create a climate of trust. Trust is inconceivable as long as there are skirmishes between the forces of the Senegalese army and those of MFDC. Therefore, the first task is how to establish durable a cease fire. Experience has shown that cease fire that is not linked to a comprehensive settlement package is amorphous and unsustainable. It constitutes cease fire in a vacuum. This may be the very defect which plagued all hitherto cease fire arrangements in Casamance. This initiative should not fall in the same trap. To avoid this situation, the parties of the conflict should have representatives who would be signatories to a cease fire agreement which should encompass other crisis management and resolution measures. The cease fire agreement should be seen as a response to the ardent desire of the people in the sub region to live in peace. The parties must undertake to end all hostilities or aggressive designs. All acts of reprisals and discrimination against individuals or organisations who have been part of the conflict must cease. Furthermore, the agreement should make provision for the parties to undertake to enter into negotiation within a stipulated period to ensure the achievement of a durable peace and lasting solution to the crisis. The agreement should make provision for all the parties to undertake to strictly respect and scrupulously implement the agreement and other protocols which may unfold during the negotiations. The agreement should make provision that in the event of violation which threatens the peace process the parties shall consult with each other and other mutually agreed arbiters with the view of determining necessary remedial measures. The Gambia, Guinea Bissau and France could perform the role of arbiters. Hence, it should be clear that the first task in the initiative for peace is forestalling all aggressive designs. This initiative should have a military component and a civil component. The military component should be characterised by cessation of armed confrontation and military manouevres. The civil component should be characterised by the promotion of civic liberties in the Casamance, the safeguarding of freedom of movement of people and goods, freedom of association, assembly and expression. Symposia and other fora for exchange of views on the crisis could be promoted by NGOs and other civic groups. The Gambia and Guinea Bissau shall undertake to treat refugees with respect and help them to keep track of the real stages of the negotiations. The media should be opened for discussion thus giving outlet to all shades of opinions. This could ensure the restoration of confidence in the population and encourage them to return to their villages and thus mitigate the refugee crisis. These measures should be pursued with the spirit of ending hatred and enmity and promoting trust, dialogue and concord. The second aspect of the agreement should be characterised by measures to resolve the crisis. The main component of this measure could be the holding of an international conference on Casamance. This conference should be opened with a symposium where representatives of the two contending forces and renowned personalities who are versed in the history of the area and international law and diplomacy could present papers. The members of MFDC in Casamance and abroad, members of the Senegalese Government, the representatives of the different political parties, the members of the National Assembly, religious groups, civic organisations, the press, prominent personalities in the arts, the United nations, OAU, ECOWAS could be invited to give clout to the occasion. Countries like Guinea Bissau, France and The Gambia can be assigned by the contending parties to play key roles in the opening of the conference. The heads of state of these countries or their representatives could address the conference. Furthermore, the President of Senegal and the representative of MFDC such as Reverend Diamacoune Senghor could address the gathering to promote the spirit of reconciliation and mutual desire for peaceful settlement of the conflict. The conference could then be followed by negotiation between the Senegalese Government an MFDC in the presence of representatives of the Bissau, Paris and Banjul authorities. It is envisaged that with such an approach there will be a way forward. To conclude, it is important to reiterate that the policy of progressive rapprochement springs from the desire to pursue peaceful resolution of disputes step by step through discussions and multiple agreements which are respected and scrupulously implemented by the parties so as to ultimately ensure a final settlement of a crisis. It sees the road to peace as a protracted enterprise, a chain link in which negotiators move from one link to the other without break or hesitation until the whole chain is put together. History gives opportunities to those who opt for the most realistic, just and humane solution to human tragedies. We must seize this opportunity, otherwise peace may be postponed indefinitely in the Casamance. While anticipating that you will give these propositions your undivided consideration. We remain, Yours in the service of humanity, ........................................... Halifa Sallah For: The Central Committee. cc: President of the Republic of The Gambia President of the Republic of Senegal President of the Republic of Guinea Bissau Representative of MFDC. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:25:24 -0500 From: Sailey_Sey <SeyS@husson.edu> To: "'Famara Demba '" <f-demba@cougarnet.netexp.net>, "'The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List '" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Unwarranted letters Message-ID: <B1AFF5622706D11180320000F80326D6273B0A@mail.husson.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Mr. Demba, Of course my letter was meant for the entire group. If i have a problem with too much unwarranted mail, I believe I should let the people who are causing the problem know. The letter wasn't for any one person, but to group members as a whole. Now if you think that I should send my letters somewhere else please let me know. Mistakes must definitely be allowed. You're right!!! I'm concerned about the intentional ones. Thank you. Si Jama Sailey p.s. No hard feelings over here brother!! -----Original Message----- From: Famara Demba To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List Sent: 2/13/98 8:09 PM Subject: Re:Unwarranted letters List members, It is to my understanding that Malanding S. Jaiteh and Sailey Sey are both against unwarranted mails( personal mails) posted to this list. Therefore I would assume that their recent letters were unintentionally posted to the list. Is that right Folks? Correct me if I'm wrong please will you? I am pretty sure that most of the personal mails seen on this list were posted unintentionally. Mistakes are human and I hope we always learn from them. Thank you and keep hopes alive. Famara Demba, Columbus, Ohio. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:58:17 EST From: JHNSHERRIF@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: LETTER TO SEC. OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS ON GOVT.'S DESIRE TO MEDIATE ... Message-ID: <1667c5c3.34e9f9e8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Foryaa: thank you for the proposals, the ideas , advice, counselling that your news paper is doing so well to educate Gambians around the world. we admires your effort, contributions, and the aknowledgement. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:32:33 -0500 From: Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Quite Interesting.... Message-ID: <71C35CDEBD9BD011865F00805FA6DA73269D8C@WEB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain http://www.saber.net/~walter/gemstone.txt Baboucarr Sillah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:19:57 -0500 (EST) From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Responsible e-mailing Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.980217210621.10878B-100000@terve.cc.columbia.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Folks, Regarding sending new members a helper of some sort, I agree with you that it is indeed overdue. I am presently working on reconfiguring the server for this purpose. Additionally, I am working on a subscription and unsubscription facility, to be accessible via the GambiaNet website, that should cut down on unwanted email. However, the unfortunate thing is that all these have to be done during R&R time; so these features might not appear immediately. -Abdou. Cherno Waka Jagne wrote: "And a question to the maintainers of the list, who, incidentally, are doing such a great job: is there some form of introduction to the list sent to newly subscribed members? I think this question was raised earlier. A short message with a brief description of Gambia-l and a summary of a few useful commands understood by the list processor would sure go a long way. Some new members have to chill for a while to get a feel for the nature of discussions on the list before they contribute or even send in an introduction. This is OK but first impressions do last and if a member joined at the wrong time, well..." ******************************************************************************* A.TOURAY Computer Science Columbia University New York, NY 10027 MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137 A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY. SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE. I WANDER AND I WONDER. ALAS, ALL RESPITE IS FINAL. ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:57:34 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Nagano winter olympics Message-ID: <19980218045734.10293.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain What's up fellows?? Has anyone been keeping up with the ongoing events in Nagano (winter olympics)? I'll take it most of us are not big fans. Just out of curiousity though, how the heck are some of these events considered sports? Like ice dancing or curling. The IOC should have included break dancing in the Atlanta games:-) Anyway, I'm looking foward to my favorite event, ladies figure skating...the short program is only a few hours away. Peace to ya'll! Sam. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:21:05 +2000 From: mmjeng@image.dk To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ Message-ID: <199802181024.LAA11209@mail.image.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mr Jallow Thank you for your long lecture. It is both intresting and educative. My concern at the time of writing ie before 13th. February the day ECOMAG took control of Freetown was that the people of Sierre Leone already got enough under Koroma and to add "kani" to that comes the ECOMAG with their heavy weapons in that small city Freetown fighting the junta and the rebels. It was a big concern. I am glad like you and everybody else that freetown is back to normal and I join the people of Sierre Leone in jubilating and celebrating. Thats what we all wanted but I wanted it in a peaceful way. As Dr. Nyang mentioned, many of us have ties of some kind to Sierra Leone. My "Tooma" the man named after me is of Sierre Leone orgin but setteled in the Gambia. The late Mr. Matarr Hausa was my father`s boss and my father named me after him. Until later keep the flag flying high and wish you and all down there a happy Independence Cerebration. Greetings Matarr M. Jeng ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:32:33 +0330 From: "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Nagano winter olympics Message-ID: <19980218052442.AAA7021@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellas, Let's focus on important issues and let's chill out if we do not have anything to say.. Asalamu alaikum Baresi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:38:44 +0330 From: "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Responsible e-mailing Message-ID: <19980218052442.AAB7021@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellows, I would like to commend Mr Jagne on the clear and precise manner in which he has presented the issue of misdirected mail. I suggest that everyone take a look at the message to its entirety and learn a lot from the words of this humble guy. But then again who am I to opinionate anything. PeaCE Lang Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:48:23 +0330 From: "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Responsible e-mailing Message-ID: <19980218053630.AAA15293@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lang Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:57:33 -0000 From: "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re Sierra Leone Message-ID: <B0000056866@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> via Commit Amadou earlier wrote to the list > as Nyang mentioned, many of us have ties of some kind to Sierra Leone. > My grandfather, Ernest Scattred, emigrated to the Gambia from Sierra > Leone. To add some weight to this fact kindled from Dr Nyang message is my own case which might be interesting to share. Consider this: My Grandma, a fully fledge Gambian, left Banjul for studies at FBC (college) in Freetown. At college she met with my Granddad, a fully fledge Sierra Leonean, and the two got married thus bringing together the Moore family of Allen Street in Banjul and the Graham Family of Freetown. Their 1st child, my Dad, was born at Allen Street in Banjul thus his claim to Gambian nationality by maternity and birth. My Dad and his youngest brother (also born in Banjul) spent some part of their early years with some family members in Banjul and moved to Freetown to join their parents then working in Freetown. My Dad got married to my Mom, a Sierra Leonean, and his youngest brother decided to settle in his motherland (the Gambia) and latter got married to my aunt thus bringing together the then emerging Gambian Graham family with the Cline family of Freetown in my Dad's case and with the Cham family of Bakau in my uncle's case. My parent's 1st child, myself, was born in Freetown where I did my primary schooling, after which I came to The Gambia, with my Grandma, who was then returning home for good, and have ever since spent the rest of my life here. So now if I should take up a wife from The Gambia, there continues the roll of the living ball of my family ties between the two nations into generations. This case illustrating the bonds of family relations between the two national groups however is not in itself peculiar to my immediate family. I even know of a close Gambian friend of mine who has very much similar experience to share but he is not currently available for me to establish the facts in his case. Indeed the family relations in West Africa extend beyond the man-made political boundaries, which I am fully convinced would one day be of little or no account. Thanks once again to Dr Nyang for the insightful piece on the list. Regards to all Archi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:49:38 -0000 From: "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <B0000056865@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> via Commit Further to Jabou's message: > Please excuse my ignorance, but are these measurements in yards, meters ? I apologize for the omission of the unit of measurement. The dimensions stated in my message to the list on the above subject some time earlier are all in METRE unit of measurements. Regards to all Archi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:05:36 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Re Sierra Leone Message-ID: <01bd3c7e$aac31760$572385c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archi! I love this one (the to-ing and Fro-ing of family connections).Its very sweet. Thanks for sharing it with us and keep up the good work down there! Regards Bassss! **************************************************************************** **************************************** >Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm>hich might be interesting to share. > >Consider this: > >My Grandma, a fully fledge Gambian, left Banjul for studies at FBC >(college) in Freetown. At college she met with my Granddad, a fully fledge >Sierra Leonean, >and the two got married thus bringing together the Moore family of Allen >Street in Banjul and the Graham Family of Freetown. Their 1st child, my >Dad, was born at Allen Street in Banjul thus his claim to Gambian >nationality by maternity and birth. My Dad and his youngest brother (also >born in >Banjul) spent some part of their early years with some family members in >Banjul and moved to Freetown to join their parents then working in >Freetown. My Dad got married to my Mom, a Sierra Leonean, and his youngest >brother decided to settle in his motherland (the Gambia) and latter got >married to my aunt thus bringing together the then emerging Gambian Graham >family with the Cline family of Freetown in my Dad's case and with the Cham >family of Bakau in my uncle's case. My parent's 1st child, myself, was born >in Freetown where I did my primary schooling, after which I came to The >Gambia, with my Grandma, who was then returning home for good, and have >ever >since spent the rest of my life here. So now if I should take up a wife >from The Gambia, there continues the roll of the living ball of my family >ties between the two nations into generations. > >This case illustrating the bonds of family relations between the two >national groups however is not in itself peculiar to my immediate family. I >even know of a close Gambian friend of mine who has very much similar >experience >to share but he is not currently available for me to establish the facts in >his case. > >Indeed the family relations in West Africa extend beyond the >man-made political boundaries, which I am fully convinced would one day be >of little or no account. > >Thanks once again to Dr Nyang for the insightful piece on the list. > >Regards to all >Archi > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:35:25 EST From: Gunjur@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <3753f982.34eaffbf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info. Jabou. In a message dated 2/18/98 6:32:59 AM, you wrote: <<Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> via Commit Further to Jabou's message: > Please excuse my ignorance, but are these measurements in yards, meters ? I apologize for the omission of the unit of measurement. The dimensions stated in my message to the list on the above subject some time earlier are all in METRE unit of measurements. Regards to all Archi ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu> Received: from relay17.mail.aol.com (relay17.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.71]) by air04.mail.aol.com (v38.1) with SMTP; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:32:59 -0500 Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by relay17.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id GAA07864; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA48208; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:20:31 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA10200 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:19:46 -0800 Received: from mail1.sn.no (mail1.sn.no [194.143.8.8]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA27881 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:19:44 -0800 Received: from mail2.sn.no (0@mail2.sn.no [194.143.8.114]) by mail1.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with ESMTP id <MAA10883> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:19:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail2.sn.no (t4o203p57.telia.com [195.204.220.237]) by mail2.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with SMTP id <MAA10207> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:19:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from pcgroup (149.212.100.55) by south.commit.gm (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id <B0000056865@south.commit.gm>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:03:25 +0000 Message-Id: <B0000056865@south.commit.gm> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:49:38 -0000 Reply-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia- l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:35:29 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: The ECONOMY : How It Works ! Message-ID: <01bd3c82$d7c26be0$572385c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Things We Should Know About The Economy!! The Devine Contract between God and Humans was that He would create them and they would worship him.And the Social Contract between humans was that the various tasks necessary for the proper functioning of society must be devided amongst them (division of labour).Some would bake the bread,others would toil the soil and still others would undertake other tasks.And just as you don't have to recall contracting with the creator so that he would create you and you worship him,you don't have to remember signing up for the Social Contract that would make it obligatory upon you to provide atleast one service for members of your society so that you also could receive other services from the other members.This, in a nutshell,is the genesis of economic activity in any given human settlement. So,we can now define Economic Activity as the production of goods and services for the satisfaction of human wants.But the problem with human wants is :the more you try to satisfy them,the more they increase in scope,quality and even in type.So,strictly speaking,there is no way you can ever satisfy human wants,which means Economic activity will not only never stop,but also the need for it to grow and expand will persist for ever and ever as long as human societies exist.Now,since the insatiable nature of human wants makes it necessary for economic activity to go on permanently,and since economic activity is nothing more than the transformation of available resources into the goods and services that the society wants or needs, and since the available resources belong to all the members of society,and since those resources are not unlimited,it becomes incumbent upon the general members of the society to agree on a set of policies that would ensure that those resources are utilized efficiently and for the benefit of everyone. Such a policy,when agreed upon,is called the Economic Policy of that society. So,Economic Policy is in a sense the politics of attempting to strike a balance between the various claims on the available resources in any given society.And that is why there are basically two types of economic policies.The Macro Aims that define the general economic objectives of the society as a whole(the whole of Gambia,from Banjul to Koina); and the Micro Aims which define the economic objectives in each of the various sectors of the National Economy e.g.. the objectives that should be realized in Gambia's Fisheries or Agriculture or Tourism etc. . For the state to set down a sound Macro policy beneficial to the whole country, it must consider very carefully five major factors: 1) The Level of employment. 2) The standard of living. 3) the balance of payments(import/export) 4) the general level of prices(inflation/deflation) 5) The rate of economic growth (expansion /contraction of economic activity) In theory, at least,the aim of the gov't should be to achieve full employment for all able bodies in the country.It should also aim at increasing the production of goods and services every year since that is what indicates the level of economic growth in the country.That is because without adequate rate of economic growth, it would be impossible to raise the standard of living as it would be impossible to provide for the maintenance and upgrading of the amenities or social capital (schools,hospitals,roads etc..) and inorder to increase the capacity of economy to create more goods and services,more of the unemployed need to be absorbed into the economy,which cannot take place in the absence of investment in either new industries or more of the existing ones.And investment ,on the other hand ,cannot take place when too much consumption is taking place. But before ,say,the government of the Gambia can set down its National Economic Policy,it must first ,just like any good businessman,look at the resources it has. And a country's resources reside in three main sectors: 1)The Primary 2) The Secondary and 3) The Tertiary (third) Sector. The Primary Sector is basically those natural resources available to a country as a result of sheer accident of history and geography and ecology, e.g.. the size of (the land) gambia,how much of it can be used for agriculture,the size of the population,are there any raw materials in its soil.As for the Secondary Sector, it is the existence of industries that are involved in the manufacturing of goods and finished products meant either for the local or external markets or both.And as for the Tertiary (third)Sector,that is what we normally call The Infrastructures.So,the potential Economic development of any given country,in the end,depends on the nature and degree of interplay that takes place between these three sectors. A quick look at Gambia would clarify this point.We know that in the Primary Sector ,Gambia does not have those primary products(raw materials like oil) which we could quickly sell on the international market to earn the Hard Currency we need to finance our other developmental projects.The only thing we do have is an arable land, a river and a youthful population.And since Gambia does not have money to begin with, and since the initial stages of agriculture is labour-intensive and does not need a lot of money, economic wisdom requires that a country like the Gambia should first try to develop its agricultural sector as a springboard for the development of the country as a whole,just like many of the industrialized nations of today have done in the past.But no development can rely solely on the Primary Sector.Once the development of the agricultural sector is underway,it will not take long before problems arise that would make it necessary to rely on the Secondary and Tertiary Sectors for solutions. For instance,lets imagine a situation whereby 70% of Gambia's Arable land is used to full capacity for growing various produces. Such a situation would create a surplus of produces that would need a wider market (e.g.. Senegal,Guinea Bissau) than Gambia.And for us to be able to store that surplus and get it to those markets when needed, we must have an effective network of communications (tertiary sector) established in the length and breadth of the country. Coming back to the Agricultural sector,the kind of mostly primitive farming that we all know in the Gambia is not the kind of agriculture that will ever amount to much in the form of developing this vital sector.Afterall,we have been doing that for centuries!.So,the wealth generated after the first push and mass mobilization of the peasants and the wealth generated from the private sector (after the private sector has been expanded and energized by the lowering of interests on capital lending) will have to be invested in agricultural technology and equipment.So,the so-called labour-intensive phase of agriculture,which gambia has always been in, must give way to the capital-intensive one before our nation can stand any chance of developing its economy through the agrarian sector. But once we have overcome the difficulty related to raising sufficient amount of capital to get into the capital-intensive phase of agriculture,we will face another serious problem.That problem is twofold: the first being that once we get the machines that can do our agriculture for us, most of our present peasants ,maybe more than half, will have to cease being peasants because their services will no longer be needed in the agricultural sector.And this means that they will have to seek employment in other sectors(secondary sector) of the economy, which also means that they will have to learn some new skills (tertiary sector) other than farming.The second related problem is that those peasants left on the farms would have to be vigorously re-trained and made literate for them to be able to handle the new mode of agricultural production, else they will have to be totally replaced by younger and much more educated and skilled members of the population. But soon after the new agricultural techniques have been largely established and mastered and surplus production has reached its maximum, it will become logically necessary to invest and develop the manufacturing (secondary) sector,especially those manufacturing plants that process agricultural produce.And the development of this sector will help absorb not only the labour released from the developing agrarian sector,but also help process our surplus agricultural produce that we could be exported to foreign markets. So,we can now say, finally,that agriculture(primary sector) is one of our few best hopes for our development; and for us to be able to develop our this very vital sector,we must find a way of getting out of the labour-intensive phase and enter the capital-intensive one.But inorder for agriculture to become more capital-intensive and for the manufacturing sector that must help it, to develop, a large number of subsidiary services(infrastructures)must be available. And some of those services are: communications(telecommunication);education(skill training); housing; banking and financial services;hospitals and energy (power). we can now see how the three main sectors (primary,secondary and tertiary) of the Gambian economy,and any economy for that matter, must work together before any meaningful development could take place. But before closing,we need to say a couple of things about Gambia's tourism.It is true that our real future development lies with the agricultural sector, but our country's tourist industry,if upgraded to international standards(since we already have the basic infrastructure for it) can help enormously in generating the hard currency we would need to invest in the agrarian sector.Because, for one thing ,tourism can grow very rapidly even in poor and undeveloped countries like Gambia and can generate considerable foreign currency earnings of a country in relatively short period and does not need the kind of sophisticated skills needed for the running and maintenance of industrial plants,which takes a longer period to achieve.So, any serious talk of developing Gambia's subsistence economy to one of growth and prosperity will have to make Agriculture and Tourism its first principal targets. In our NEXT Episode, we will talk about the DEBT BURDEN and Public Finance of a country like Gambia and the problems related to them. Regards Basssss! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: African Nations' Cup Message-ID: <9802181537.AA62554@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Soccer fans, Here is a quick glance at the standings of the participant nations of the AFRICAN NATIONS CUP competition. If you detect any erroneous results, please direct them to me. Thank you. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ************************************************************************** Key notation: * - advance to quarterfinals GROUP A Cameroon 1 Burkina Faso 0 Algeria 0 Guinea 1 Cameroon 2 Guinea 2 Algeria 1 Burkina Faso 2 Burkina Faso 1 Guinea 0 Cameroon 2 Algeria 1 1. Cameroon * 3- 7 ( 5- 3) 2. Burkina Faso * 3- 5 ( 3- 2) 3. Guinea 3- 4 ( 3- 3) 4. Algeria 3- 0 ( 2- 5) GROUP B Congo 2 Togo 1 Ghana 2 Tunisia 0 Congo 1 Tunisia 2 Ghana 1 Togo 2 Ghana 0 Congo 1 Tunisia 3 Togo 1 1. Tunisia * 3- 6 ( 5- 4) 2. Congo * 3- 6 ( 4- 3) 3. Ghana 3- 3 ( 3- 3) 4. Togo 3- 3 ( 4- 6) GROUP C South Africa 0 Angola 0 Ivory Coast 4 Namibia 3 South Africa 1 Ivory Coast 1 Angola 3 Namibia 3 Angola 2 Ivory Coast 5 South Africa 4 Namibia 1 McCarthy (8,11,19,21) 1. Ivory Coast * 3- 7 (10- 6) 2. South Africa * 3- 5 ( 5- 2) 3. Angola 3- 2 ( 5- 8) 4. Namibia 3- 1 ( 6-10) GROUP D Zambia 1 Morocco 1 Egypt 2 Mozambique 0 Zambia 0 Egypt 4 Morocco 3 Mozambique 0 Morocco 1 Egypt 0 Zambia 3 Mozambique 1 1. Morocco * 3- 7 ( 5- 1) 2. Egypt * 3- 6 ( 6- 1) 3. Zambia 3- 4 ( 4- 6) 4. Mozambique 3- 0 ( 1- 8) QUARTER FINALS Friday, February 20 Cameroon E Congo E Saturday, February 21 Tunisia F Burkina Faso F Ivory Coast G Egypt G Sunday, February 22 Morocco H South Africa H SEMI-FINALS Wednesday, February 25 winner E (X) winner H (X) winner F (Y) winner G (Y) 3rd PLACE MATCH Friday, February 27 Runner-up (X) - Runner-up (Y) - FINAL MATCH Saturday, February 28 Winner (X) - Winner (Y) - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:44:00 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: African Nations' Cup - News Message-ID: <9802181544.AA25888@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just thought this might interest some of you. Regards, Moe ************************************************************************** Soccer-Ghana's Pele bows out of international scene By Nicholas Phythian Ghana's veteran captain Abedi Pele has bowed out of international soccer, saying he was finding it more and more difficult to balance the competing demands of club and country. Pele, three times African Footballer of the Year, ended his international career on Monday as the Black Stars crashed out of the African Nations Cup, which they last won when he first played for them as a raw 17-year-old in Libya in 1982. ``It's my last (international), it's my last,'' Pele, now 33, told reporters after his side's 1-0 defeat by the little fancied Democratic Republic of the Congo, adding that he would continue his career with his German club 1860 Munich. Pele, the inspiration behind the Black Stars for over a decade, announced that he would call it quits after Ghana's sparkling 2-0 victory over World Cup qualifiers Tunisia in their opening game of this year's competition. ``After 17 years service to the national team, the Black Stars, the competing demands of club and international football are inevitably exacting their toll on my depleting stock of energy,'' he said in a statement. [...] ------------------------------- Source: Reuters news ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:26:06 -0500 From: Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! Message-ID: <34EB0B9D.F15@emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Everyone, I can't believe that no one beat me into wishing all of the Gambians a HAPPY and PEACEFUL INDEPENDANCE DAY to you all. With all my busy schedule, I though my head was falling apart. But I think there are some good brain parts left in my head. Hope Tombong, Archi, Pa Musa and the rest, had a wonderful celebrations and looking forward to their postings on this BIG DAY!!!! Going back to elementary school years, it used to be fun times prepairing and participation for matching on this day, and not forgetting the competition between schools. That was crazy but fun. Hope I brought back some memories to some of you. Since I can't remember all of mine yet at the moment, maybe some of you might have some real stories you would like to share with us. Proud to be a GAMBIAN !!!!!! Peace to All, King Solomon [/quote]   Check here to include your profile signature.