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Momodou	Posted - 10 Sep 2021 : 17:32:50 GAMBIA-L Digest 108 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) by SANG1220@aol.com 2) Re: Neo-Nazi/"WhiteP by h.pflueger@gam-line.win.net (H Pflueger) 3) Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 4) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> 5) Sillah Konateh by Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> 6) New Members by EB12CSAY@aol.com 7) Happy belated val. day! by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 8) Re: Sierra Leone and a Poem about Africa by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 9) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 10) Re:The Public Affairs TV Program that never materialised by KTouray@aol.com 11) Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) by SANG1220@aol.com 12) RE: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ by Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> 13) RE: Happy belated val. day! by Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> 14) UPDATE ON GAYE AND SILLAH by "foroyaa@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 15) Re: Unwarranted letters by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 16) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 17) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 18) New member! by "Omar Gibba" <ojgibba@hotmail.com> 19) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) by "Housainou Taal" <Housainou.Taal@wfp.org> 20) CAF results by "Mambuna Bojang" <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> 21) leadership conference by "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> 22) New Member by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> 23) Test by "Moe S. Jallow" <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> 24) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 25) Re: CAF results by "Amadou L. Fall" <jambaar@enter.net> 26) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> 27) Subscription by ADEMBA@aol.com 28) Responsible e-mailing by cherno@acm.org 29) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by JHNSHERRIF@aol.com 30) Sierra Leone by "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> 31) SV: leadership conference by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk> 32) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by Gunjur@aol.com 33) Re: Sierra Leone by "B.M.Jones" <B.M.Jones@econ.hull.ac.uk> 34) Re: SV: leadership conference by globexinc@erols.com 35) Re: Sillah Konateh by Sarian Loum <Sarian.Loum@Corp.Sun.COM> 36) Re: Sierra Leone by globexinc@erols.com 37) LETTER TO SEC. OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS ON GOVT.'S DESIRE TO MEDIATE IN CASAMANCE by "foroyaa@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 38) RE: Unwarranted letters by Sailey_Sey <SeyS@husson.edu> 39) Re: LETTER TO SEC. OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS ON GOVT.'S DESIRE TO MEDIATE ... by JHNSHERRIF@aol.com 40) Quite Interesting.... by Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> 41) Re: Responsible e-mailing by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu> 42) Nagano winter olympics by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 43) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ by mmjeng@image.dk 44) Re: Nagano winter olympics by "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 45) Re: Responsible e-mailing by "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 46) Re: Responsible e-mailing by "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 47) Re Sierra Leone by "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 48) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 49) Re: Re Sierra Leone by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 50) Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project by Gunjur@aol.com 51) The ECONOMY : How It Works ! by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 52) African Nations' Cup by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 53) African Nations' Cup - News by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 54) Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 55) SOROS Fellowship for "New Americans" (fwd) by Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> 56) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by "Moe S. Jallow" <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> 57) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by globexinc@erols.com 58) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 59) Re: SV: Gambians Shot by Buba Njie <Buba.Njie@econ.uib.no> 60) Re: SV: Gambians Shot by Musa Sise <sis0909r@uel.ac.uk> 61) Re: Quite Interesting.... by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 62) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 63) Re: Sierra Leone by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 64) Re: Quite Interesting.... by globexinc@erols.com 65) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa by globexinc@erols.com 66) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 67) Re: Nagano winter olympics by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 68) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! (fwd) by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> 69) Re: Nagano winter olympics by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 70) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ by SANG1220@aol.com 71) China: No turning back!!! by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 72) Fwd: Why did the chicken cross the road? -Forwarded (fwd) by Paul Jammeh <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> 73) Selective postings or server failure. by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 74) Oprah Winfrey hosts Noted Liberian Plastic Surgeon (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 75) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 76) Fwd: Former Sierra Leone spokesman changes his tune by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 77) Re: Nagano winter olympics by "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 78) Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! by "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 79) Subscription by Lamin Jaiteh <ljaiteh@mail.wsu.edu> 80) I'm over it !!!! by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 81) RE : SIERRA LEONE AND WEST AFRICA (fwd) by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> 82) Re: Why did the chicken cross the road? -Forwarded (fwd) by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 83) Recall: RE : SIERRA LEONE AND WEST AFRICA (fwd) by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> 84) Pas it on!! From Sebja by SADAMS <SADAMS@geog.gla.ac.uk> 85) What independence? by "Alpha Robinson" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de> 86) Re: What independence? by mgravesen@unicef.dk 87) RE: Recall: RE : SIERRA LEONE AND WEST AFRICA (fwd) by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> 88) Re: What independence? by "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> 89) RE: What independence? by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> 90) Re: What independence? by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> 91) African Nations Cup -Update by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 92) Junta claims to recapture city of Bo in Sierra Leone by Lamin Camara <radise@accessv.com> 93) Re: Junta claims to recapture city of Bo in Sierra Leone by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 94) Re: What independence? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 95) Respect for TIME by third world folks!!!!!!! by globexinc@erols.com 96) Re: What independence? by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 97) Re: What independence? by cherno@acm.org 98) Fwd: Personal Ad (fwd) by Paul Jammeh <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> 99) RE: What independence? by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 100) Sierra Leone - BBC Update by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 101) Re: Sierra Leone - BBC Update by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 102) Senegal: Terror in Casamance (AI INDEX: AFR/49/02/98 17 FEBRUARY (fwd) by Paul Jammeh <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> 103) Re: Sierra Leone - BBC Update by Lamin Camara <radise@accessv.com> 104) RE: What independence? by Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> 105) New Member by binta njie <galzdemsugar@yahoo.com> 106) Re: New Member by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 107) Re: Personal Ad (fwd) by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 108) Re: Junta claims to recapture city of Bo in Sierra Leone by Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> 109) Re: What independence? by "Franco" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 110) Re: What independence? by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 111) Re: What independence? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 112) Re: What independence? by "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> 113) Re: What independence? by Francis Njie <c3p0@xsite.net> 114) Re: What independence? by "seedy kanyi" <seedyk@hotmail.com> 115) Unsubscribe by v5bubbad@ulmo.stud.slu.se (Buba Badjie) 116) Re: What independence? by "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> 117) RE: New Member by Fatou Jobe <Fatou.Jobe@halliburton.com> 118) RE. WHAT INDEPENDENCE by OmarSheik.Saho@ulleval.oslohelse.telemax.no 119) Re: What independence? by "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> 120) Re: UPDATE ON GAYE AND SILLAH by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 121) Re: New Member by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 122) Re: leadership conference by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 123) JOB: Post-Doctoral Position, Forest Dynamics Modeller by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 124) Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa by Musa Sise <sis0909r@uel.ac.uk> 125) Re: New Member by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 126) FW: The Thursday Funnies by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@prc.com> 127) Re: New Member by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 128) removal of globexinc from list by globexinc@erols.com 129) RE: New Member by Fatou Jobe <Fatou.Jobe@halliburton.com> 130) What independence? (fwd) by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> 131) More things to make you go hmm... (fwd) by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> 132) Top Ten Mysteries of Life.... (fwd) by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> 133) More things to make you go hmm... (fwd) by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> 134) RE: What independence? by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 135) Re: New Member by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 136) Re: More things to make you go hmm... (fwd) by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 137) Re: Top Ten Mysteries of Life.... (fwd) by SADAMS <SADAMS@geog.gla.ac.uk> 138) [Fwd: FW: New operating system developed by an Indian!!!!] (fwd) by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> 139) Re: African Nations Cup -Update by "Mambuna Bojang" <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> 140) Re: New Member by "Inqs." <nfaal@is2.dal.ca> 141) MMN: CAIR-NET: "Foreign Terrorists in America"/Honda/Nashville (10K) (fwd) by "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> 142) Re: RE. WHAT INDEPENDENCE by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 143) Re: New Member by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 144) Re: Respect for TIME by third world folks!!!!!!! by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 145) MMN: Hamza Yusuf on TV, Truth, and Technomania (The Message) (fwd) by "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> 146) MMN: A muslim family in trouble (fwd) by "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> 147) MMN: [Fwd: Imam Al-Ghazali on the topic of Arrogance] (fwd) by "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> 148) Re: MMN: A muslim family in trouble (fwd) by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 149) RE: New Member by Sailey_Sey <SeyS@husson.edu> 150) new member by Makhou Diagne <igotyoub@yahoo.com> 151) Re: Are US Bombs Falling on Bagdad Once Again? Part 2 by "m.gassama" <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 152) Re: New Member by SANG1220@aol.com 153) Re: What independence? by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 154) Re:subscribe by KTouray@aol.com 155) 3 rd Annual Midwest Graduate Student Conference in African Studies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by nahak@juno.com (Michael J Gomez) 156) Re: Are US Bombs Falling on Bagdad Once Again? Part 2 by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 157) SAINTS VS GHS by Musa Sonko <msonko@yahoo.com> 158) Re: Are US Bombs Falling on Bagdad Once Again? Part 2 by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 159) Re: What independence?: How about a fund? by MODOUMASS@aol.com 160) CAF first quater-final results by "Mambuna Bojang" <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> 161) Re: What independence? by Bolsey225@aol.com 162) Re: New Member by Bolsey225@aol.com 163) new member by "lamin jabang" <lamin@algonet.se> 164) Re: What independence? by "Morro krubally" <jamba@cyberramp.net> 165) Burkina '98/ Tunisia out !! by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 166) Obituary: Sad news from home by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 167) Re: What independence? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 168) Re: Burkina '98/ Tunisia out !! by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 169) Re: CAF first quater-final results by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 03:48:41 EST From: SANG1220@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) Message-ID: <6b3bd103.34e6abeb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Malanding, how do you propose that we do that. Your idea is salient but I think we need to ascertain how many of our fellow Gambia-Lers would sign this actual letter. For my money you can count me in, I think it's disgraceful and rediclous for Jammeh to embark on such intimidating tactics. Tomborg if you're reading this, please by all means supply us with the nature of the charges against these men and don't tell me its because of failure to pay taxes. I believe there's more to this that you;re unwilling to disclose. You are in a position to effectuate things and I hope you use your sense of fairness to implore the Government that critism is very healthy in any democracy. For one thing it lets you know what the public are thinking of ones programs, but you already know that so I am exhorting you to use whatever influence you have to seek fairness for these people. Thanks Daddy Sang ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:10:00 (GMT) From: h.pflueger@gam-line.win.net (H Pflueger) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Neo-Nazi/"WhiteP Message-ID: <02920970@gam-line.win.net> > >Dear Members, > >I refer to the missive posted by HP Flueger in regards to the Neo Nazi >Movement. I would like to inform you that voting on the issue in question >here has already taken place so please ignore the request. Otherwise any >postings made to that address will automatically bounce back to the >sender(s). The voting took place in the year 1996 and it was over since >then. People overwhelmingly voted NO and the movement was denied the >chance. I hope we all learn to live and let live. > >I thank you all and keep hopes alive. > >Famara Giffa >Columbus,Ohio. > Sorry, the defeat of the above mentioned earlier cybernazi organizing attempt to create the news group <rec.music.white-power> was indeed a massive victory for the forces opposing bigotry, hate-speech and against cybernazi propaganda on the net. (In 1996 only 592 voted yes, 33033 voted no.) But this is a NEW attempt of the nazi to create this newsgroup and a strong public voice against cybernazi propaganda is needed again. Thanks for listening Harald * PowerEdit 2.5 Software Independent: Won't work with ANY software. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:49:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) Subject: Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) Message-ID: <199802151449.JAA27696@hemlock.ffr.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text Daddy you wrote: > > Malanding, how do you propose that we do that. Your idea is salient but I > think we need to ascertain how many of our fellow Gambia-Lers would sign this > actual letter. For my money you can count me in, I think it's disgraceful and > rediclous for Jammeh to embark on such intimidating tactics. Tomborg if you're > reading this, please by all means supply us with the nature of the charges > against these men and don't tell me its because of failure to pay taxes. I > believe there's more to this that you;re unwilling to disclose. You are in a > position to effectuate things and I hope you use your sense of fairness to > implore the Government that critism is very healthy in any democracy. For one > thing it lets you know what the public are thinking of ones programs, but you > already know that so I am exhorting you to use whatever influence you have to > seek fairness for these people. > Thanks > Daddy Sang > I think it is worth mentioning that we can not write on hte behalf of the whole Gambia-l list. Joint in my note means all those who might otherwise want to submit their own fax letter or whatever form of message to the authorities. If a draft is done all those who agree to it can do just as you did say add my name to it. Once names are gathered, attached the message will be sent to the various addressees. Also, we should not expect Tombong to contribute anything thing to this unless he volunteers to do so. The reason for this is simple. He is an employee to the establishment and for sure there are rules and guidelines. Whether we agree with those or not is another matter. I think specifics on what the charges are can be obtained from other members of the list based in the Gambia. Finally this letter must not be seen political. The purpose is to bring some understanding to the authorities that this decision to close the radio station and the continued detention of the two fellows are both unwarranted. It will severely undermine confidence and support for the system. It will cause more harm to the little gains they have made than good. Malanding jaiteh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:43:53 -0800 From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980215104353.0068e454@mail.interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you for the details. Paul. At 01:25 AM 2/15/98 EST, you wrote: >Information from my sister is that the largest of the plots sell for $5000 >and the smaller ones for less than that. She said the size of the large plots >is the same as those at Kanifing estates. Will try to get exact dimensions. > >Jabou > > >In a message dated 2/14/98 8:42:20 AM, you wrote: > ><<Archi, >Thank you for the information. How much are the plots selling for? >Paul. > > > >At 11:50 PM 2/13/98 -0000, you wrote: >>Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> >> via Commit >> >> >>I thought you might be interested in the following announcement in the >>papers today: >> >>============================================== >> Social Security and Housing Finance Corporation >> >> Public Announcement >> >> Brusubi Housing Project Commercial Serviced Plots >> >>As part of its commercial operations under phase 1 of the Brusubi Housing >>Project, the SSHFC has under option 2 of the project a provision for direct >>sale of about 300 serviced plots to those Gambians who cannot otherwise >>participate in the formalised option 1 process of filling in application >>forms and subsequently attending interviews. Notably among these are >>Gambians resident abroad. >> >>The SSHFC hereby wishes to inform the general public that application forms >>for these serviced plots can now be purchased at the SSHFC Head Office >>Building, 61 ECOWAS Avenue, Banjul, Effective Tuesday 10th February 1998. >>The deadline for the return of these forms is Friday 10th April 1998. >> >>A non refundable processing fee of 150 is being charged for each >>application form. >>================================================ >> >>E&OE >> >>Regards to all >>Archi >> >> >> > > >----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >Return-Path: <GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu> >Received: from relay13.mail.aol.com (relay13.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.13]) by >air04.mail.aol.com (v38.1) with SMTP; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:42:20 -0500 >Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (lists2.u.washington.edu >[140.142.56.1]) > by relay13.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id IAA28527; > Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:42:09 -0500 (EST) >Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) > by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP > id FAA02561; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:42:08 -0800 >Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP > id FAA22628 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 >05:41:48 -0800 >Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) > by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP > id FAA13343 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:41:48 >-0800 >Received: from bgibba (ip213-141.cc.interlog.com [207.34.213.141]) > by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28635 > for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:41:46 -0500 (EST) >Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980214083209.006910b0@mail.interlog.com> >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:32:09 -0800 >Reply-To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu >Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> >To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia- >l@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project >In-Reply-To: <B0000053939@south.commit.gm> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >X-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> >X-Sender: bgibba@mail.interlog.com >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >>> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:51:50 -0800 From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Sillah Konateh Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980215105150.0068c2c8@mail.interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi! Mr. Konateh, I always suspected that you the brother of my friend Lasana Konateh in Toronto but I never confirmed it until today. I asked Sana about you and he confirmed that you are indeed his brother. Anyway, write to me by using my private e-mail address----bgibba@interlog.com so we can say more. My regards to you. Also, best wishes to you from Sana and his family members, Fatoumata, Alhagie, Ansumana, Nfamara, Mansata, and Foday. Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:23:24 EST From: EB12CSAY@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: New Members Message-ID: <8b7ee138.34e7329e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit What's up Gambia-l? Introducing the following dudes. Martin Sowe E-mail address is ( msowe@aol.com ). Hassan Jagne E-mail address ( an2es2ra@aol.com). Saidou Ceesay E-mail ( saidou-latunja@webtv.net ). Keep up the good work. Thanks. EB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:26:53 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Happy belated val. day! Message-ID: <19980215192653.17404.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain What's up...what's up fellows?? I hope all the love-birds in the house had a lot of fun yesterday. My woman and I had a big "fight" last night...not proud of it a bit. So, to the single ladies in the house, will you Be Mg V Al N Ti Ne next year? Soon to-be single Chemist, Sambujang. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:48:18 -0000 From: "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and a Poem about Africa Message-ID: <B0000055140@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Pa Musa Jallow" <pmj@commit.gm> via Commit Mr TaAL, all I want to add is there is a big difference between what ECOMOG is doing in Sierra Leone and Congo Brassaville and Congo Kinshasha for that matter: in Sierra Leone ..a regional body took the decision to restore the democartically elected govt. of one member state by diplomacy or force of arms if neccessary; this was supported by the OAU, the UN GENERAL ASSEMBLY, the UN SECURIY COUNCIL, the EU, the USA and all international bodies in CONGO BRASSAVILLE, a bi setback, a warlord supported by FRENCH INTEREST GROUPS, sparked a CIVIL WAAR annd TOOK OVER THE STATE with no REGIONAL ORGANISATION to even TAKE a STAND due to the very QUEER mix of interests, allegiances etc..a typical DIVIDE and RULE..elected President LISSOUBA had angered ANGOLA for his alleged support for UNITA rebels, SASSOU NGUESSO had a father in-law in GABON's Omar Bongo who was the so-called MEDIATOR, KABILA who somewhat supported LISSOUBA probably from an anti-imperialist point of view needed ANGOLA and was still too NEW..in fact almost burnt his fingers in this soupa kanja now with Kabila's Congo Kinshasha..a long time hated and western puppet dictator was turned against by his neighbours pay back after almost 30 years of misdeeds and aggression..from South Africa to Angola to Uganda and Rwanda and I guess this an AFRICAN regional REVENGE on a Western Puppet-DIctator... just a little comment pmj ---------- > From: Housainou Taal <Housainou.Taal@wfp.org>> > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and a Poem about Africa > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 4:24 PM > > > > > Regards, Housainou. > > > > > > > > mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) on 11-02-98 07:58:52 > > Please respond to gambia-l@u.washington.edu > > To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > cc: (bcc: Housainou Taal/OD/WFP) > Subject: Sierra Leone and west Africa > > > > > Gambia-Lers, > Please allow me to say that if this message sounds provocative and > unmanneredly, kindly excuse my ignorance, for that is not an intention on > my part. > I forwarded two articles about the situation in Sierra Leone with the hope > that we can engage in dialogue about the state of Sierra Leone (as our > neighbours, brothers and sisters) and the west african region. To > surprise, however, no one seems to talk about it. Even though I will > assume that most of you have acccess to information about the war, I still > feel that we need to exchange our different views on this issue, as we > are, either directly or indirectly, connected to Sierra Leone since it is > also in West africa. > I am surprised that we are not talking about the Sierra Leone war. I am > surprised too that we are very much concerned and has talked about the > showdown between the US and Iraq, but not about the killings and > associated suffering that is going in our own back yards. I am also > surprised that we have not addressed the issue of the fact that a turmoil > (instability) in Sierra Leone is a problem for the whole of West Africa. > If you think that the discussing the "stability of west africa" is worth > your time, then let me say to you "thank you". When I read about what's > happening in/to Sierra Leone, I always fear that the consequences of this > war will have a lasting and devastating influence on the stability of West > Africa. Some rumour I heard is that Charles Taylor of Liberia is siding > with the Junta in Sierra Leone, and has reportedly sent some troops to aid > the falling Junta forces. Now even if the above is untrue, and Kabba gets > reinstated as president, what feelings will he (Kabba) harbour towards > (for) his neighbour, Liberia and Charles Taylor? > I see this as a state of instability in that region of Sierra Leone, > Liberia (and possibly Guinea). We are talking about three major components > of West Africa here. Even if the Nigerian (and other west african) forces, > (ECOMOG) decide to stay, will they be very effective, and how long will > forces remain in effect? Finally, who will be paying for the existence of > the ECOMOG forces, and how long will they maintain the peace? I pray that > it doesn't get too outrageous a condition of degredation. Even if my > prayers were answered, when will Sierra Leone completely recover from the > evils of destruction? And, at what cost? > So please, let's put up a debate on this Sierra Leonean crisis. Remember, > eventhough it is so far way from Gambia, Sierra Leone is still part of > West Africa. Anything that happens there will impact the Gambia in a > negative fashion. > Thank you for your time. > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > ======================================================================= > mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:24:20 -0000 From: "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ Message-ID: <B0000055139@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Pa Musa Jallow" <pmj@commit.gm> via Commit Mr Jeng, I beg to differ, I think if you recall an earlier piece on the Bantaba by Ali Masrui regarding Pax Nigeriana..that he would rather a Nigerian (African ) Military Govt. fight to restore a democracy in Africa than a Western democracy restore a client-puppet dictatorship in Africa or the underdeveloped world.. I think it is time that Africans start refusing to allow any journeyman to hold a state hostage by violence or the threat of; what you have (had) in Sierra Leone was akin to what pertained in The Gambia iin 1981..a bunch of non-entities with arms take-over control of the State and unleash mayhem..opening the jails and letting loose chaos and pandemodium...my best friend who happens to be a lawyer with an LLM in International Law and Human Rights, and who published a Human Rights Column on the The Daily Observer (during the days of the AFPRC) was in Freetown Sierra Leone during the take-oever in May and for a further 2 months, and saw first hand the complete lack of mission, integrity and decency of the so-called AFRC in Sierra Leone, daily lootings, beatins and arrests by armed persons, either Soldiers, or their allies , the RUF or common thugs unleashed from the jails, the nights were punctuated with looting of private residences , rapings and murder of innocents,..one example is that the actual coup maker, Corporal Gborie Tamba, who had to allow Major Koroma to lead, because he is completely uneducated but famous for his coup broadcasts was seen leading an armed band in pillaging and robbing private residences, ....then he was made leader of an anti-looting squad that shot on sight alleged looters, he was then caught leading a looting spree and notably the looting of the Iranian Islamic Cultural Centre and for this he was demoted from Seargeant to which he was promoted to Corporal and kicked out of the ruling council; that very night he led an attack on the barracks of Koroma, apparently intent on taking over again, was defeated and as of the liberation of Freetown by ecomog, he was supposed to have been in custody at Pademba Road prison so what is my point? we the so called educated and intellegentsia should take a long hard look at our practical options if our modern states are not only to survive and prosper and and it is no longer acceptable or tenable that any group of persons by virtue of violence should be allowed to take over the State; their only qualification being organised to kill and self-appointed redeemers of the masses; even Seargeant DOE of Liberia was better than KOROMA, at least his destructio of the STATE took a decade, KOROMA and his gang destroyed more in 2/3 months that 7 years of civil war..it was LIBERIA's example that TAUGHT ECOWAS that you cannot watch nor isolate this..the RUF is an offshoot of Charles Taylor's NPFL and just for a tip..Charles Taylor of Liberia loaned the AFRC, fighters and moral support in order to thwart the return (in his opinion) of Kabbah, a Mandinka and therefore, by his logic a secret supporter of Taylor rival Alhaji Kromah..it was NIGERIA's tough stance in ECOMOG and Abacha's whirlwind tour of ECOWAS capitals that kept the unity of ECOWAS stand on the Sierra Leone issue..I will let you draw your own conclusion but I am sure that had KOROMA succeeded..West Africa will see further destabilisation and breaking up along ethic lines, with an alliance of CRIMINAL leaders vs. the rest; in the interim forget any dreams of regional cooperation and development..Johny Paul Koroma even had a vision of Christ and short of declaring Sierra Leone a CHRISTIAN country..did everything to sharpen the diffrerence..between him and ALHAJI TEJAN KABBAH..this was the other dimension..of what was creeping into Sierra Leone and the sub-region..remember Taylor claimed that ECOMOG came about because then ECOWAS chairman Sir Dawda Jawara and his son Abass Bundu, ECOWAS secretary general (TAYLOR's words) were secretly helping ALHAJI KROMAH..again TAYLOR'S ENTHIC and RELIGIOUS CONSPIRACY.. I refuse to accept also that when we collectively elect leaders and organs of civil government, any attempt to restore civil order is done for one man..no..the president is not one person but the embodiment of our will and desire for civil govt. under a set of accepted rules, ie constitutional rule. I cannot answer the question about Kabbah's feelings but urge you to review his CV and you will discover that Kabbah is not the typical power-hungry African leader but an accomplished person and a worthy example for us ...young aspiring Africans, (in the International or seeking International stature) and I remind you that Kabbah was elected by Sierra Leoneans after a hard fouht and won democracy and 90% of the civil service had refused the back to work order by the AFRC and defied and rejected the putschist so if Kabbah and the International had not taken this action, we would have betrayed the Sierra Leonean people.. I am glad to report that as of 13th February, Freetown was in the hands of ecomog forces and the people were jubilating and celebrating with the junta and its apologists on the run.. I am proud that for once AFRICANS have decided for AFRICANS..this was an ECOWAS decision supported by the OAU the UN and the international..in the words of Gen Abacha .. we Africans are tired of coups and do not want any more coups.. like you I hope this holds true across the board and I find it hard to see how Abacha can reconcile Nigerians fighting and dying to restore democracy in Sierra Leone and denying them democracy at home...I expect Abacha to lead Nigeria to some form of democratic govt. by the end of the year as he promised. I suspect though that he (Abacha) will do a la Rawlings or Yaya Jammeh, ie, succeed himself; not the best but at least it helps ensure that there are no coups for a while, apparently the soldier-politicians are very good at securing State House (REALPOLITIK) and the State in the process I apologise for the long lecture but assure that I mean no insult except to show that we (Africans) have problems and more than anything we need to saved from the scourge of self-appointed and gun-toting leaders, we need some stability so that we can work out how best to develop our peoples and nations pmj in Banjul and supporting ecomog ---------- > From: mmjeng@image.dk > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa > Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11:48 PM > > Gambia-Lers, > It is sad that the Nigerian-Led ECOMOG pound Freetown with artillery > shells and nobody knows the exact number of death toll. It must be > very serious. There was a report that about 50 people > trying to escape to neighboring Guinea drowned when their boat > capsized > Does it mean that if there is any coup again in > West Africa Nigeria will do the same. > Where is the OAU and what are they doing. > Where is the African Ladies Mission On Peace And Humanitarian Issues. > I am sure they have something to tell their husbands. > How does President Kabbah feel about the pounding of his country and > people, the thoundands of civilians fleeing, the unknown death toll > and those trap in the city. All for him one person to be back to > rule. > Is Abacha democratic enough to led ECOMAG to restore democracy > in Sierre Leone. > Lets pray for our people in Sierre Leone and may God rescue them > immediately. > Greetings > Matarr M. Jeng > > P/S Housainou, Your poem is just but great. Keep it up. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:03:24 EST From: KTouray@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re:The Public Affairs TV Program that never materialised Message-ID: <1a569395.34e7824e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A while back a list member lamented that his proposal to put together a public affairs show on Gambian television was cleverly killed in the guise of official consideration.It is unfortuanate that such a worthwhile idea met such a fate because bringing together a balanced panel of media types together with civic, religious and political leaders to discuss issues would have significantly elevated the level of public discourse. I would dare to speculate that the producers would not be merely interested in a slug fest between interlocutors on the program but would aim to have the veiwers exposed to all sides of the issue and equip them to draw their own conclusions. The public would also be introduced to policy makers who have significant imput in things that greatly impact their lives and those officials inturn would have profiles and reputations built by appearing on this powerful medium. Wouldn't it be great for example to have a discussion on housing with the director of social secutity and housing finance corp and an economist from the finance ministry talking about gov't approaches to solving the housing crunch on the one hand and have the gentleman who runs TAF construction speak on private sector approaches to solving the same issue. A would be home buyer would find such a discussion informative and it can help him decide weather to signup for the new Brusubi housing project or to hire a contractor and build on his own. In fact here is how I envision a discussion on Education policy unfolding on such a program. It would begin with shots of returning fishing boats on the Gunjur beach while a very soft Halam plays in the background and then the voice of the moderator comes on saying' Goodevening and thank you for joining us here on our weekly program JAKARRLO I am your host Morro Bah. Today we focus on education and to help us shed light on this very important issue albeit from two radically different perspectives are Mrs Ancha Sohna a successful businesswoman who runs two private grade schools and also writes a regular column on education issues and Mr Dawda Nyang assistant to minister for policy planning and curriculum development and author of' Hamham : a guide to teacher training'. Let me begin with you Mrs sohna, it is my understanding that you favor decentralising the entire education system in this country essentially dismantling the huge ministry of education and delegating its functions to what you call school districts. ' well Morro you are partially correct in your characterisation . What i favor is to significantly whittle down the bereaucracy at the ministry and in it's place we would carve out what would be local entities throughout this nation. The government would retain a skeleton staff who would be responsible for developing curricullum and setting performance standards and training teachers . Each school district would be apportioned resouces proportional to the student concentration and other criteria like infrastructure needs and be given flexibilty to hire and fire staff from the pool of teachers the gov't would train. In return for the resources that the gov't would disburse school districts would be required to maintain established performance standards and impeccable openess and accountibilty. This would help ensure that resources are spent wisely as every school district vies to outperform the other and our children would come out winners. Right now we spend tens of millions of Dalasis every year that does not come near producing the results anyone wants . Families are literally going hungry just to help pay for high school education. alot of that has do with misdirection of resources and i think once we let the stake holders in local communities run things we can improve on the meagre resources we have.'' ' But Mrs Sohna aren't you just shifting the bereaucracy from Buckle street to your districts without reallychanging anything.?' ' No what you are setting up at the school districts would consist only of the requisite number people needed to perform specific tasks like hiring teachers , buying supplies and coordinators to ensure that things are running as they are supposed to. It would be a small and precise group.'. Mr Nyang I see you shaking your head .....what is wrong with having the people of Farafenni running there schools?' ' Well two things to begin with. First of all her proposal would be prohibitively expensive. you are talking about setting up mini departments of education all over this country. I would admit i haven't run any numbers on her proposal but it would entail far more resources than this country can afford. Secondly it would most definately produce a system of absolute winners and losers. I believe the nation must constantly strive to improve education but it must be conducted from single entity as opposed to a hodge podge of platforms.'. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:33:54 EST From: SANG1220@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Citizen FM........Independent Media (fwd) Message-ID: <7949aa0f.34e79784@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Bravo Malanding, but being an employee of the govt. aside, he (tomborn) can dissuade some powers that be unless he's scared or being a hypocrite. Thanks Daddy Sang ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:49:18 -0500 From: Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ Message-ID: <71C35CDEBD9BD011865F00805FA6DA73269D88@WEB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Pa Musa, I definately agree, but I hope this trend of unity among ECOWAS continues. Lets hope it will not be a selective process as when to jump in and restore a legitimate regime back in power. It should not not be based on religious grounds or anything else... Baboucarr Sillah > -----Original Message----- > From: pmj@commit.gm [SMTP:gambia-l@commit.gm] > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 1998 9:24 AM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ > > Sent by "Pa Musa Jallow" <pmj@commit.gm> > via Commit > > > Mr Jeng, > I beg to differ, I think if you recall an earlier piece on the Bantaba > by > Ali Masrui regarding Pax Nigeriana..that he would rather a Nigerian > (African ) Military Govt. fight to restore a democracy in Africa than > a > Western democracy restore a client-puppet dictatorship in Africa or > the > underdeveloped world.. > I think it is time that Africans start refusing to allow any > journeyman to > hold a state hostage by violence or the threat of; what you have (had) > in > Sierra Leone was akin to what pertained in The Gambia iin 1981..a > bunch of > non-entities with arms take-over control of the State and unleash > mayhem..opening the jails and letting loose chaos and pandemodium...my > best > friend who happens to be a lawyer with an LLM in International Law and > Human Rights, and who published a Human Rights Column on the The Daily > Observer (during the days of the AFPRC) was in Freetown Sierra Leone > during > the take-oever in May and for a further 2 months, and saw first hand > the > complete lack of mission, integrity and decency of the so-called AFRC > in > Sierra Leone, daily lootings, beatins and arrests by armed persons, > either > Soldiers, or their allies , the RUF or common thugs unleashed from the > jails, the nights were punctuated with looting of private residences , > rapings and murder of innocents,..one example is that the actual coup > maker, Corporal Gborie Tamba, who had to allow Major Koroma to lead, > because he is completely uneducated but famous for his coup broadcasts > was > seen leading an armed band in pillaging and robbing private > residences, > ...then he was made leader of an anti-looting squad that shot on sight > alleged looters, he was then caught leading a looting spree and > notably the > looting of the Iranian Islamic Cultural Centre and for this he was > demoted > from Seargeant to which he was promoted to Corporal and kicked out of > the > ruling council; that very night he led an attack on the barracks of > Koroma, > apparently intent on taking over again, was defeated and as of the > liberation of Freetown by ecomog, he was supposed to have been in > custody > at Pademba Road prison > so what is my point? > we the so called educated and intellegentsia should take a long hard > look > at our practical options if our modern states are not only to survive > and > prosper and and it is no longer acceptable or tenable that any group > of > persons by virtue of violence should be allowed to take over the > State; > their only qualification being organised to kill and self-appointed > redeemers of the masses; even Seargeant DOE of Liberia was better than > KOROMA, at least his destructio of the STATE took a decade, KOROMA and > his > gang destroyed more in 2/3 months that 7 years of civil war..it was > LIBERIA's example that TAUGHT ECOWAS that you cannot watch nor isolate > this..the RUF is an offshoot of Charles Taylor's NPFL and just for a > tip..Charles Taylor of Liberia loaned the AFRC, fighters and moral > support > in order to thwart the return (in his opinion) of Kabbah, a Mandinka > and > therefore, by his logic a secret supporter of Taylor rival Alhaji > Kromah..it was NIGERIA's tough stance in ECOMOG and Abacha's whirlwind > tour > of ECOWAS capitals that kept the unity of ECOWAS stand on the Sierra > Leone > issue..I will let you draw your own conclusion but I am sure that had > KOROMA succeeded..West Africa will see further destabilisation and > breaking > up along ethic lines, with an alliance of CRIMINAL leaders vs. the > rest; in > the interim forget any dreams of regional cooperation and > development..Johny Paul Koroma even had a vision of Christ and short > of > declaring Sierra Leone a CHRISTIAN country..did everything to sharpen > the > diffrerence..between him and ALHAJI TEJAN KABBAH..this was the other > dimension..of what was creeping into Sierra Leone and the > sub-region..remember Taylor claimed that ECOMOG came about because > then > ECOWAS chairman Sir Dawda Jawara and his son Abass Bundu, ECOWAS > secretary > general (TAYLOR's words) were secretly helping ALHAJI KROMAH..again > TAYLOR'S ENTHIC and RELIGIOUS CONSPIRACY.. > I refuse to accept also that when we collectively elect leaders and > organs > of civil government, any attempt to restore civil order is done for > one > man..no..the president is not one person but the embodiment of our > will and > desire for civil govt. under a set of accepted rules, ie > constitutional > rule. > I cannot answer the question about Kabbah's feelings but urge you to > review > his CV and you will discover that Kabbah is not the typical > power-hungry > African leader but an accomplished person and a worthy example for us > ..young aspiring Africans, (in the International or seeking > International > stature) and I remind you that Kabbah was elected by Sierra Leoneans > after > a hard fouht and won democracy and 90% of the civil service had > refused the > back to work order by the AFRC and defied and rejected the putschist > so if > Kabbah and the International had not taken this action, we would have > betrayed the Sierra Leonean people.. > I am glad to report that as of 13th February, Freetown was in the > hands of > ecomog forces and the people were jubilating and celebrating with the > junta > and its apologists on the run.. > I am proud that for once AFRICANS have decided for AFRICANS..this was > an > ECOWAS decision supported by the OAU the UN and the international..in > the > words of Gen Abacha .. > we Africans are tired of coups and do not want any more coups.. > like you I hope this holds true across the board and I find it hard to > see > how Abacha can reconcile Nigerians fighting and dying to restore > democracy > in Sierra Leone and denying them democracy at home...I expect Abacha > to > lead Nigeria to some form of democratic govt. by the end of the year > as he > promised. I suspect though that he (Abacha) will do a la Rawlings or > Yaya > Jammeh, ie, succeed himself; not the best but at least it helps ensure > that > there are no coups for a while, apparently the soldier-politicians are > very > good at securing State House (REALPOLITIK) and the State in the > process > > I apologise for the long lecture but assure that I mean no insult > except to > show that we (Africans) have problems and more than anything we need > to > saved from the scourge of self-appointed and gun-toting leaders, we > need > some stability so that we can work out how best to develop our peoples > and > nations > pmj in Banjul and supporting ecomog > ---------- > > From: mmjeng@image.dk > > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa > > Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11:48 PM > > > > Gambia-Lers, > > It is sad that the Nigerian-Led ECOMOG pound Freetown with artillery > > > shells and nobody knows the exact number of death toll. It must be > > very serious. There was a report that about 50 people > > trying to escape to neighboring Guinea drowned when their boat > > capsized > > Does it mean that if there is any coup again in > > West Africa Nigeria will do the same. > > Where is the OAU and what are they doing. > > Where is the African Ladies Mission On Peace And Humanitarian > Issues. > > I am sure they have something to tell their husbands. > > How does President Kabbah feel about the pounding of his country and > > > people, the thoundands of civilians fleeing, the unknown death toll > > and those trap in the city. All for him one person to be back to > > rule. > > Is Abacha democratic enough to led ECOMAG to restore democracy > > in Sierre Leone. > > Lets pray for our people in Sierre Leone and may God rescue them > > immediately. > > Greetings > > Matarr M. Jeng > > > > P/S Housainou, Your poem is just but great. Keep it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:54:28 -0500 From: Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Happy belated val. day! Message-ID: <71C35CDEBD9BD011865F00805FA6DA73269D89@WEB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I hope none of the single ladies would become your valentine next year simply because you are to become a chemist, they should find something more important than a mere title...(just a thought) Goodluck in your search! Baboucarr Sillah > -----Original Message----- > From: Sambujang Kouyateh [SMTP:kouyateh@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 1998 2:27 PM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Happy belated val. day! > > What's up...what's up fellows?? > > I hope all the love-birds in the house had a lot of fun yesterday. My > woman and I had a big "fight" last night...not proud of it a bit. So, > to > the single ladies in the house, will you > > Be Mg V Al N Ti Ne next year? > > Soon to-be single Chemist, > Sambujang. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:48:03 -0000 From: "foroyaa@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: UPDATE ON GAYE AND SILLAH Message-ID: <B0000055237@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Foroyaa" <foroyaa@commit.gm> via Commit It appears that some concerned persons are still under the notion that Baboucarr Gaye and Ebrima Sillah are still under detention. It is our duty to give you an update that Baboucarr and Ebrima are released. Ebrima Sillah was released on saturday, 7 February, 1998 and has not been charged. Baboucarr Gaye was released on the 8 February, 1998, then detained again when he reported on bail, but subsequently released on Thursday, 12 February, 1998. He is charged for operating a radio station without licence. We will give you a more detailed report in due course. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:20:52 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Unwarranted letters Message-ID: <34E9AAD4.7029@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Famara Demba wrote: > > List members, > > It is to my understanding that Malanding S. Jaiteh and Sailey Sey are both > against unwarranted mails( personal mails) posted to this list. Therefore I > would assume that their recent letters were unintentionally posted to the > list. Is that right Folks? Correct me if I'm wrong please will you? I am > pretty sure that most of the personal mails seen on this list were posted > unintentionally. Mistakes are human and I hope we always learn from them. > > Thank you and keep hopes alive. > > Famara Demba, > Columbus, Ohio. I agree. personal mails should be directly sent to intended receipients only since both parties have e mails. -- Habib Diab Ghanim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:42:39 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) Message-ID: <9802160642.AA20638@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gambia-L, I wish to share the following response by Dr. Sulayman Nyang. I hope that you find reading it worthwhile. Thanks to all who responded, either privately or on this list. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ********************************************************************* > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:45:09 -0500 (EST) > From: Sulayman Nyang <nyang@xavier.cldc.howard.edu> > To: Modou Jallow <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa > In-Reply-To: <9802110658.AA31888@st6000.sct.edu> From: nyang@cldc.howard.edu Thanks for your message informing us about the state of affairs in Sierra Leone. I think Gambians should show interest in the state of affairs in Sierra leone. I can give five reasons why we should show interest and concern. The first reason is that many Gambians and persons of Gambian descent now see Sierra leone as their adopted homeland.This Gambian diaspora in Sierra leone is usually associated with our Serahuli clansmen,but the Gambian presence is more diverse than that. The second reason is that many Gambians are of Sierra Leone origin. The Krio (Aku) in the Gambia originated in Sierra Leone. The decision of Lt. Governor Rendall in the early 1800's to bring many Krios into the newly created Bathurst settlement (now called Banjul) paved the way for the Krio factor in Gambian history.Many Gambians have relatives and in-laws from this important community of Gambians.Their contributions to Gambian society range from the Agugu (Yoruba:Egungun), fufu and Akara to the Asobi and Osusu. There are many other things to list. To do justice to the subject one may have to write an essay on Gambian-Sierra Leonean Relations in the Age of European Colonization. The third reason why Gambians should show interest in Sierra Leone is that the peoples of Sierra Leone are part ofthe West Sudan civilizations. Their ethnic groups are related to other Gambian ethnics. The Mende, the Yalunka, the Sherbro, the Susu and the Mandingo of that country are cousins to our people of the mande-speaking group of West Africa. The same is true of the Fula, the Krio and the Temne.The fourth reason why the Gambians should show interest in the state of affairs in Sierra Leone lies in the common regional destiny that seems to lump all the West African states in a circle of military violence. The late Kwame Nkrumah warned the Africans of his generation to avoid the pitfalls of disunity. He wrote and I quote from memory: " If we fail to unite Africa will be plunged into the same condition as Latin America is after one hundred years of political independence...We will be victims and martyrs of neocolonialism." What the Ghanaian leader was saying is that the military coup detat would become as common place in Africa as it was (then) in Latin America. Africans should study the history of coup detats in Latin America and identify the factors and forces responsible for the elimination of the military coup detat in that hemisphere's political life. Since the Gambians have also gone through the agony of a military coup, it would be politically naive not to think the unthinkable. once upon a time the Sierra leoneans thought that the political volcano rocking other African states could not destabilize their peaceful way of life. Those who are seriously interested in the stability of the region, cannot ignore the threat to regional and local peace in any of the countries. The fifth and last reason why Gambians should pay attention to the state of affairs in Sierra Leone, lies in the fact that Sierra Leone has set many precedents for Africa. Let me list a few of them for your reflection and comment.The first precedent from the land the Portuguese called Sierra Leone, took place in 1967, when the late Siaka Stevens was elected to replace Prime Minister Albert Margai. This was certainly unprecedented in African politics . It took place at a time when the single party system was the order of the day.Since then the Sierra Leone example has been followed only in Mauretius and Zambia.The second precedent is the fact that the military in Sierra Leone carried out a coup detat and returned Siaka Stevens back to power, following the coup detats of Lansana Musa and Commander Juxson Smith respectively. The third precedent from Sierra Leone is the fact that this is the only African country whose civilian president decided to groom a military officer to succeed him.This is the Stevens-Momoh deal which blurred the lines of demarcation between the civilian politicians and the military establishment in Sierra leone. If the Nigerian forces dislodged the ruling junta in Freetown, Sierra leone would set another political precedent in Africa. Here we witness an unprecedented spectacle of one military force taking action against another in the name of restoring civilian rule in Sierra Leone. What is unprecedented is the fact that the the democratically elected civilian ruler to be restored is being restored by an external force (Nigeria)at a time when that very military power is the target of pro-democracy forces in Nigeria and elsewhere. The Nigerian intervention is certainly not unprecedented.The activities of the Senegalese army in the Gambia , following the Kukoi Samba Sanyang abortive coup detat in July 1981 and the French army in the restoration of Gabonese President Leon Mba in 1963 provide interesting constrasts for students of African politics. I hope you will find this informative and provocative.Let me hear from you. Sulayman S. Nyang Howard University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:30:27 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) Message-ID: <01bd3ace$4773fe60$8f2385c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Prof.! What more could we say?! Thanks a ton for the refresher and keep up the good work down there! Regards Bassss! -----Original Message----- From: Modou Jallow <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) >Gambia-L, > >I wish to share the following response by Dr. Sulayman Nyang. I hope that >you find reading it worthwhile. > >Thanks to all who responded, either privately or on this list. > >Regards, >Moe S. Jallow >******************************************************************* > >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:45:09 -0500 (EST) >> From: Sulayman Nyang <nyang@xavier.cldc.howard.edu> >> To: Modou Jallow <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> >> Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa >> In-Reply-To: <9802110658.AA31888@st6000.sct.edu> > >From: nyang@cldc.howard.edu > >Thanks for your message informing us about the state of affairs in Sierra >Leone. I think Gambians should show interest in the state of affairs in >Sierra leone. I can give five reasons why we should show interest and >concern. The first reason is that many Gambians and persons of Gambian >descent now see Sierra leone as their adopted homeland.This Gambian >diaspora in Sierra leone is usually associated with our Serahuli >clansmen,but the Gambian presence is more diverse than that. The second >reason is that many Gambians are of Sierra Leone origin. The Krio (Aku) in >the Gambia originated in Sierra Leone. The decision of Lt. Governor >Rendall in the early 1800's to bring many Krios into the newly >created Bathurst settlement (now called Banjul) paved the way for the Krio >factor in Gambian history.Many Gambians have relatives and in-laws from >this important community of Gambians.Their contributions to Gambian >society range from the Agugu (Yoruba:Egungun), fufu and Akara to the Asobi >and Osusu. There are many other things to list. To do justice to the >subject one may have to write an essay on Gambian-Sierra Leonean Relations >in the Age of European Colonization. The third reason why Gambians should >show interest in Sierra Leone is that the peoples of Sierra Leone are part >ofthe West Sudan civilizations. Their ethnic groups are related to other >Gambian ethnics. The Mende, the Yalunka, the Sherbro, the Susu and the >Mandingo of that country are cousins to our people of the mande-speaking >group of West Africa. The same is true of the Fula, the Krio and the >Temne.The fourth reason why the Gambians should show interest in the state >of affairs in Sierra Leone lies in the common regional destiny that seems >to lump all the West African states in a circle of military violence. The >late Kwame Nkrumah warned the Africans of his generation to avoid the >pitfalls of disunity. He wrote and I quote from memory: " If we fail to >unite Africa will be plunged into the same condition as Latin America is >after one hundred years of political independence...We will be victims and >martyrs of neocolonialism." What the Ghanaian leader was saying is that >the military coup detat would become as common place in Africa as it was >(then) in Latin America. Africans should study the history of coup detats >in Latin America and identify the factors and forces responsible for the >elimination of the military coup detat in that hemisphere's political >life. Since the Gambians have also gone through the agony of a military >coup, it would be politically naive not to think the unthinkable. once >upon a time the Sierra leoneans thought that the political volcano >rocking other African states could not destabilize their peaceful way of >life. Those who are seriously interested in the stability of the region, >cannot ignore the threat to regional and local peace in any of the >countries. The fifth and last reason why Gambians should pay attention to >the state of affairs in Sierra Leone, lies in the fact that Sierra Leone >has set many precedents for Africa. Let me list a few of them for your >reflection and comment.The first precedent from the land the Portuguese >called Sierra Leone, took place in 1967, when the late Siaka Stevens was >elected to replace Prime Minister Albert Margai. This was certainly >unprecedented in African politics . It took place at a time when the >single party system was the order of the day.Since then the Sierra Leone >example has been followed only in Mauretius and Zambia.The second >precedent is the fact that the military in Sierra Leone carried out a coup >detat and returned Siaka Stevens back to power, following the coup detats >of Lansana Musa and Commander Juxson Smith respectively. The third >precedent from Sierra Leone is the fact that this is the only African >country whose civilian president decided to groom a military officer to >succeed him.This is the Stevens-Momoh deal which blurred the lines of >demarcation between the civilian politicians and the military >establishment in Sierra leone. If the Nigerian forces dislodged the ruling >junta in Freetown, Sierra leone would set another political precedent in >Africa. Here we witness an unprecedented spectacle of one military force >taking action against another in the name of restoring civilian rule in >Sierra Leone. What is unprecedented is the fact that the the >democratically elected civilian ruler to be restored is being restored by >an external force (Nigeria)at a time when that very military power is the >target of pro-democracy forces in Nigeria and elsewhere. The Nigerian >intervention is certainly not unprecedented.The activities of the >Senegalese army in the Gambia , following the Kukoi Samba Sanyang >abortive coup detat in July 1981 and the French army in the restoration of >Gabonese President Leon Mba in 1963 provide interesting constrasts for >students of African politics. I hope you will find this informative and >provocative.Let me hear from you. >Sulayman S. Nyang >Howard University > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:10:39 PST From: "Omar Gibba" <ojgibba@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: New member! Message-ID: <19980216121039.11137.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Could you please add Mr. Musa sise to the Gambial-l. His e-mail address is: sis0909r@uel.ac.uk Thank you very much for your cooperation, Peace! Omar Jibba (o.J) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:09:19 +0100 From: "Housainou Taal" <Housainou.Taal@wfp.org> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) Message-ID: <C12565AD.00470380.00@wfp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dr. Nyang, Your posting is very well done and so insightful! I found the book, " Agrarian Question and Reformism in Latin America" a good peice to read on this subject. The author, Alain de Janvry (1981) was my college tutor and can be contacted for further reference by those who want to pursue this subject further. His address is as follows: Prof. Alain de Janvry Gianini Hall University of Califiornia-Berkeley, Berkeley, California 94720, U.S.A. Regards, Housainou mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) on 16-02-98 07:42:39 Please respond to gambia-l@u.washington.edu To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> cc: (bcc: Housainou Taal/OD/WFP) Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa (fwd) Gambia-L, I wish to share the following response by Dr. Sulayman Nyang. I hope that you find reading it worthwhile. Thanks to all who responded, either privately or on this list. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ********************************************************************* > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:45:09 -0500 (EST) > From: Sulayman Nyang <nyang@xavier.cldc.howard.edu> > To: Modou Jallow <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> > Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa > In-Reply-To: <9802110658.AA31888@st6000.sct.edu> From: nyang@cldc.howard.edu Thanks for your message informing us about the state of affairs in Sierra Leone. I think Gambians should show interest in the state of affairs in Sierra leone. I can give five reasons why we should show interest and concern. The first reason is that many Gambians and persons of Gambian descent now see Sierra leone as their adopted homeland.This Gambian diaspora in Sierra leone is usually associated with our Serahuli clansmen,but the Gambian presence is more diverse than that. The second reason is that many Gambians are of Sierra Leone origin. The Krio (Aku) in the Gambia originated in Sierra Leone. The decision of Lt. Governor Rendall in the early 1800's to bring many Krios into the newly created Bathurst settlement (now called Banjul) paved the way for the Krio factor in Gambian history.Many Gambians have relatives and in-laws from this important community of Gambians.Their contributions to Gambian society range from the Agugu (Yoruba:Egungun), fufu and Akara to the Asobi and Osusu. There are many other things to list. To do justice to the subject one may have to write an essay on Gambian-Sierra Leonean Relations in the Age of European Colonization. The third reason why Gambians should show interest in Sierra Leone is that the peoples of Sierra Leone are part ofthe West Sudan civilizations. Their ethnic groups are related to other Gambian ethnics. The Mende, the Yalunka, the Sherbro, the Susu and the Mandingo of that country are cousins to our people of the mande-speaking group of West Africa. The same is true of the Fula, the Krio and the Temne.The fourth reason why the Gambians should show interest in the state of affairs in Sierra Leone lies in the common regional destiny that seems to lump all the West African states in a circle of military violence. The late Kwame Nkrumah warned the Africans of his generation to avoid the pitfalls of disunity. He wrote and I quote from memory: " If we fail to unite Africa will be plunged into the same condition as Latin America is after one hundred years of political independence...We will be victims and martyrs of neocolonialism." What the Ghanaian leader was saying is that the military coup detat would become as common place in Africa as it was (then) in Latin America. Africans should study the history of coup detats in Latin America and identify the factors and forces responsible for the elimination of the military coup detat in that hemisphere's political life. Since the Gambians have also gone through the agony of a military coup, it would be politically naive not to think the unthinkable. once upon a time the Sierra leoneans thought that the political volcano rocking other African states could not destabilize their peaceful way of life. Those who are seriously interested in the stability of the region, cannot ignore the threat to regional and local peace in any of the countries. The fifth and last reason why Gambians should pay attention to the state of affairs in Sierra Leone, lies in the fact that Sierra Leone has set many precedents for Africa. Let me list a few of them for your reflection and comment.The first precedent from the land the Portuguese called Sierra Leone, took place in 1967, when the late Siaka Stevens was elected to replace Prime Minister Albert Margai. This was certainly unprecedented in African politics . It took place at a time when the single party system was the order of the day.Since then the Sierra Leone example has been followed only in Mauretius and Zambia.The second precedent is the fact that the military in Sierra Leone carried out a coup detat and returned Siaka Stevens back to power, following the coup detats of Lansana Musa and Commander Juxson Smith respectively. The third precedent from Sierra Leone is the fact that this is the only African country whose civilian president decided to groom a military officer to succeed him.This is the Stevens-Momoh deal which blurred the lines of demarcation between the civilian politicians and the military establishment in Sierra leone. If the Nigerian forces dislodged the ruling junta in Freetown, Sierra leone would set another political precedent in Africa. Here we witness an unprecedented spectacle of one military force taking action against another in the name of restoring civilian rule in Sierra Leone. What is unprecedented is the fact that the the democratically elected civilian ruler to be restored is being restored by an external force (Nigeria)at a time when that very military power is the target of pro-democracy forces in Nigeria and elsewhere. The Nigerian intervention is certainly not unprecedented.The activities of the Senegalese army in the Gambia , following the Kukoi Samba Sanyang abortive coup detat in July 1981 and the French army in the restoration of Gabonese President Leon Mba in 1963 provide interesting constrasts for students of African politics. I hope you will find this informative and provocative.Let me hear from you. Sulayman S. Nyang Howard University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:21:44 -0500 From: "Mambuna Bojang" <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: CAF results Message-ID: <34E84B77.3CCD798B@mail.transy.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F820BE6A42F1C010DAF24757" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F820BE6A42F1C010DAF24757 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think some of you might be interested in this. Have a great day. God Speed!! Pa-Mambuna, the Bluegrass state. --------------F820BE6A42F1C010DAF24757 Content-Type: application/x-perl; name="caf.pl" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="caf.pl" <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <title>Latest Results</title> <meta name="FORMATTER" content="Microsoft FrontPage 2.0"> </head> <body stylesrc="compet.htm" background="../images/logo225.jpg" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <p><img src="../images/title_latest_results.gif" width="233" height="91"></p> <p> <pre> <font color="#000080"> 16,2.98, PRELIMINARY ROUND RESULTS OF CAF INTER CLUBS COMPETITIONS THE SEVENTH CAF CUP 1998 No Match 1st leg 2nd leg 1-2. APR(Rwanda)/Asmara Beer(Eritrea) Rwa,3-0 Eri,0-0 3-4. Anges de Fatima (Central Africa)/Atletico Malabo (Eq. Guinea) Anges disq. Dates : Match 1: 30.31.01.98 - 1.02.98. Match 2: 13.14.15.02.98 THE 24TH AFRICAN CUP OF CUP WINNERS 1998 No Match 1stleg 2ndleg 1-2. Wolaita Tusssaa (Ethiopia)/Red Sea (Eritrea) Eth,0-2 Eri,3-3 3-4. Dragons (Benin) / Gazelle (Tchad) Ben,4-1 Tch,2-2 5-6. Notwane (Botswana) / Bantu (Lesotho) Bot,4-1 Les,4-0 7-8. Tanzania Stars (Tanzania)/Bata Bullets (Malawi) Tan,3-1 Maw,2-2 9-10. Rwanda FC (Rwanda / St. Louis (Seychelles) Rwa,6-1 Sey,1-0 11-12. V. club (Congo)/T.P. UCSA de Bangui (Central Africa) V. club withdr. & UCSA disq. For financial arrears 13-14. Vital'O (Burundi)/Sony El Nguema (Eq. Guinea) Bur,2-1 postp.1 week Dates : 30.31.01.98 - 1.02.98 13.14.15.02.98 THE SECOND CAF CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 1998 No Match 1stleg 2ndleg 1-2. St. Michel Utd. (Seychelles)/Coffee (Ethiopia) Sey,1-0 Eth,1-8 3-4. Rayon Sport (Rwanda) / Maniema (Burundi) Ben,6-1 5-6. Telecom Wanderers (Malawi) / BDF X1 (Botswana) Maw,3-0 Bot,1-1 7-8. Mbabane Swallows (Swazland)/Defence Force (Lesotho) Swa,1-4 Les,0-2 9-10. Medlaw Megbi (Eritrea) / Utalii (Kenya) Eri,0-1 Ken,0-1 11-12. St. Louisienne (R�union) / Sunrise (Mauritius) Reu,1-2 Mri,1-2 13-14. Desportivo (Equatorial Guinea) / Munisport (Congo)Munisport withdr. 15-16. Wallidan (Gambia) / Douanes (Senegal) Gam,0-0 Sen,0-2 17-18. Mogas 90 (Benin) / East End Lions (Sierra Leone) SLE withdrew 19-20. Tempete Mocaf (Central Africa)/Tourbillon (Tchad) Tempete disq. Dates : 1st leg: 30.31.01.98 - 1.02.98. 2nd leg: 13.14.15.02.98 Countires marked with * are the ones qualified for the next round. The 21st African Cup of Nations: Group A Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 7 - 16h00 Stade du 4 ao�t 1. Burkina Faso / Cameroon 0-1 Feb 8 - 20h00 Stade Municipal 4. Algeria / Guinea 0-1 Feb 11 - 15h00 Stade Municipal 9. Cameroon / Guinea 2-2 20h00 Stade du 4 ao�t 11. Burkina Faso / Algeria 2-1 Feb 15 - 16h00 Stade du 4 ao�t 17. Burkina Faso / Guinea 1-0 16h00 Stade Municipal 18. Cameroon / Algeria 2-1 CLASSIFICATION Pl W L D GF GA Pts Cameroon 3 2 0 1 5 3 7 Burkina Faso 3 2 1 0 3 2 6 Guinea 3 1 1 1 3 3 4 Algeria 3 0 3 0 2 5 0 Group B Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 9 - 16h00 Stade Municipal 5. Togo / DR Congo 1-2 20h30 Stade du 4 ao�t 7. Ghana / Tunisia 2-0 Feb 12 - 16h00 Stade Municipal 12. Tunisia / DR Congo 2-1 20h30 Stade du 4 ao�t 14. Ghana / Togo 1-2 Feb 16 - 17h00 Stade du 4 ao�t 19. Ghana / DR Congo 17h00 Stade Municipal 20. Tunisia / Togo CLASSIFICATION Pl W L D GF GA Pts Ghana 2 1 1 0 3 2 3 DR Congo 2 1 1 0 3 3 3 Togo 2 1 1 0 3 3 3 Tunisia 2 1 1 0 2 3 3 Group C Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 8 - 15h00 Stade Omnisport 2. South Africa / Angola 0-0 18h00 Stade Omnisport 3. C. d'Ivoire / Namibia 4-3 Feb 11 - 17h15 Stade Omnisport 10. South Africa / C. d'Ivoire 1-1 Feb 12 - 18h15 Stade Omnisport 13. Angola / Namibia 3-3 Feb 16 - 20h00 Stade Municipal 21. C. d'Ivoire / Angola 20h00 Stade Omnisport 22. South Africa / Namibia CLASSIFICATION Pl W L D GF GA Pts C. d'Ivoire 2 1 0 1 5 4 4 Angola 2 0 0 2 3 3 2 South Africa 2 0 0 2 1 1 2 Namibia 2 0 1 1 6 7 1 Group D Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 9 - 18h15 Stade Omnisport 6. Zambia / Morocco 1-1 Feb 10 - 18h00 Stade Omnisport 8. Egypt / Mozambique 2-0 Feb 13 - 17h00 Stade Omnisport 15. Zambia / Egypt 0-4 20h00 Stade Omnisport 16. Morocco / Mozambique 3-0 Feb 17 - 16h00 Stade Omnisport 23. Zambia / Mozambique 16h00 Stade Municipal 24. Egypt / Morocco CLASSIFICATION Pl W L D GF GA Pts Egypt 2 2 0 0 6 0 6 Morocco 2 1 0 1 4 1 4 Zambia 2 0 1 1 1 5 1 Mozambique 2 0 2 0 0 5 0 Quarterfinals Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 20 - 16h00 Stade Omnisport 25. Cameroon / runner-up B Feb 21 - 16h00 Stade du 4 ao�t 26. Winner B / Burkina Faso 20h00 Stade Municipal 27. Winner C / runners-up D Feb 22 - 16h00 Stade Municipal 28. Winner D / runner-up C Semifinals Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 25 - 16h00 Stade du 4 ao�t 29. Winner 25 / Winner 28 20h00 Stade Omnisport 30. Winner 26 / Winner 27 Third-place Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 27 - 16h00 Stade Municipal 31. Loser 29 / Loser 30 Final Date Time GMT Venue Match # Result Feb 28 - 16h00 Stade du 4 ao�t 32. Winner 29 / Winner 30 Stadiums: Ouagadougou: Stade du 4 ao�t, Stade Municipal. 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The past week has been very promising and productive. A large segment of the D.C. community has embraced the need for a conference and have begun contributing significantly to its success. I hope this is reflected in the emerging format. The principal speakers, facilitators etc. will be posted shortly. Meanwhile, please send your input and inform others about the conference. LatJor +++++++++++++ LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE MEETING THE CHALLENGES OF THE 21ST CENTURY HOWARD UNIVERSITY BLACKBURN CENTER 2:30 P.M. - 6:00 P.M. SATURDAY FEB. 21ST, 1998 You are cordially invited to participate in a Leadership Conference to define the mission, goals, objectives, and plans for the establishment of a Global Gambian Association. CONTEXT The establishment of such an association is based on the expressed interest of the gambian community for the development of an integrated and cohesive community that is self-reliant and productive in: (a) meeting the economic, socio-cultural and professional needs of gambians overseas; (b) making a sustained and valuable contribution to the development of The Gambia, and (c) meeting the challenges of the 21st century and their impact on The Gambia and Gambians. Currently there exists numerous small organizations addressing diverse specific needs of the Gambian community. The Global Association would validate these organizations while seeking to address cross-cutting needs. CONFERENCE AGENDA 1. Registration and Open Space/Open Market Dialogue 2. Plenary - Challenges of the 21st century 3. Concurrent sessions (set 1) 4. Plenary discussion 5. Concurrent sessions (set 2) 6. Plenary session 7. Closure and Next Steps (introduction of: (a) Policy and Strategic Planning Group (to compile information, analyze and finalize for action) (b) Other groups to form to be based on the deliverables from the Policy and Strategic Planning Group.) Concurrent sessions a) The Global Association: Mission, Goals, Guiding Principles, Membership; b) Human Resource Development and Management (Education, Training and Professionalism, Health and Social Protection) c) Knowledge Generation and Dissemination - Building the Learning Community d) Cultural Heritage and Sustainable Development e) Economic and Financial Management f) Managing an effective and sustainable Gambian association - What works, What does not work, What principles to apply, What structures, How to enhance partnership, commitment and ownership. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:48:04 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: New Member Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980216144450.3174A-100000@vampire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List managers, Could you please Fatou Jobe to the list? Her email address is Fatou.Jobe@halliburton.com. Thanks. --------- Anna Secka secka@cse.bridgeport.edu asecka@softcrafters.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:44:45 -0500 From: "Moe S. Jallow" <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Test Message-ID: <199802161744450370.006CA745@150.1.15.80> This is just a test. Please disregard. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:45:40 -0000 From: "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <B0000055650@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> via Commit In response to Paul's enquiry: > How much are the plots selling for? A follow up enquiry was made with the Corporation earlier today and the following information may also be of interest: ========================== Dimension Price (Dalasis) 18 X 25 45,000 20 X 25 50,000 25 X 25 55,000 ========================= E&OE The approx. Mid-Market exchange rate as at today is $1 = Dal 10.2 Regards to all. Archi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:39:34 -0500 From: "Amadou L. Fall" <jambaar@enter.net> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: CAF results Message-ID: <199802170042.TAA19383@mail.enter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, For those of you with a sound card, speakers and a fast modem (i.e., 14Kbps or greater) check out this site - www.audionet.com. You can listen to live broadcast of the BBC and many other radio stations. You will need RealAudio, but the site has a link to download the program. I was just listening to the results for the African Cup of Nations, news about Sierra Leone and Africa... Enjoy!!! Amadou Fall ---------- > From: Mambuna Bojang <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: CAF results > Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 9:21 AM > > I think some of you might be interested in this. Have a great day. > God Speed!! > Pa-Mambuna, the Bluegrass state. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:50:36 -0800 From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980216205036.0069127c@mail.interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:45 PM 2/16/98 -0000, you wrote: > Thank you Archi for the information. Paul. Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> > via Commit > > >In response to Paul's enquiry: > >> How much are the plots selling for? > >A follow up enquiry was made with the Corporation earlier today and the >following information may also be of interest: > >========================== >Dimension Price (Dalasis) > >18 X 25 45,000 > >20 X 25 50,000 > >25 X 25 55,000 >========================= >E&OE > >The approx. Mid-Market exchange rate as at today is $1 = Dal 10.2 > >Regards to all. >Archi > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:30:32 EST From: ADEMBA@aol.com To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Subscription Message-ID: <7d48ea22.34e92e8a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear List Managers, Can you please subscribe Nicolas Fresh to the list. His E-mail address is Wangofresk@hotmail.com. I will appreciate it. Thanks. Alasana. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:28:31 -0400 (AST) From: cherno@acm.org Subject: Responsible e-mailing Message-ID: <199802170628.CAA09297@ipv6-1.ee.tuns.ca> Some thoughts on the recent concern about misdirected mail: It only takes a couple of seconds to verify who you're sending mail to after hitting that REPLY button. Sure enough you can forget to check, but then I guess that's where responsibility steps in. It is also worth the while to learn a bit more about the e-mail software you use; certain configurable options usually let you tailor your environment to your convenience, which can sometimes help prevent ostensibly careless mistakes. Be paranoid, because the next time you inadvertently send personal mail to some 300 people, it may be more--much more--than just a "hello, how are you" message... The issue of learning more about the software tools you use goes beyond just your e-mail software. The list processor that drives this mailing list is another tool worth finding more about. Just send a subjectless message with "help" as the only word in the body of the message to <listproc@u.washington.edu>, and you'll be amazed at how easy it can be to do certain things, or that they can be done at all. You can, for instance, search the gambia-l archives, over several months, by keyword--useful if you were temporarily unsubscribed and wanted to know what was discussed about a particular topic while you were away. Finally, a few suggestions I guess might fall under the category of e-mail etiquette: 1. Avoid sending attachments with your e-mail. Not all e-mail clients understand HTML formatted documents, and certainly not all word processors know M$ Word. Worse yet, some just don't know how to handle attachments. It is the general consensus that computer viruses (virii ?) cannot be spread through e-mail, but attachments are just one way a malicious individual (or prankster, as the case may be) can send trojans galloping into your 'pooter. 2. Explicitly terminate your end-of-lines with the <RETURN> / <ENTER> key. What happens is that some editors would wrap your text around for you while you compose a message but wouldn't necessarily include the proper characters to let other e-mail clients know to end the line there. So a reader can literally receive a message that is a single long, very long, line. Believe me, it can be a pain in the butt! On the same token, don't write very long lines because someone might want to quote your message in their reply and when the ">" character is prepended to the lines of your message, it produces all sorts of messed up formats. 3. If you reply to specific portions of a message and have to quote them, just do so where necessary. If you just reply to praise a piece or say thanks, I doubt if it is really necessary to include the entire 20 or so lines. Chances are, whoever is interested in what you have to say about it already has the original message. If you don't know how to include portions of a message in your reply, well maybe this is the time to "learn a bit more about your e-mail software". Some good places to start are "Help", "Options", "Preferences"... Get my drift? ;-) And a question to the maintainers of the list, who, incidentally, are doing such a great job: is there some form of introduction to the list sent to newly subscribed members? I think this question was raised earlier. A short message with a brief description of Gambia-l and a summary of a few useful commands understood by the list processor would sure go a long way. Some new members have to chill for a while to get a feel for the nature of discussions on the list before they contribute or even send in an introduction. This is OK but first impressions do last and if a member joined at the wrong time, well... Er, did I forget to say that any opinions that might have been raised in this message are humbly mine, and are thus not necessarily entirely true? :-) Many thanks. Cherno Waka Jagne, Halifax ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:07:00 EST From: JHNSHERRIF@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <11c9a05a.34e93716@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Gambians to form a financial Investment firm. Date: February 17,1998 Sender: jhnsherriff@aol.com Greeting or Salam brother s and Sisters: The Gambian organization in Atlanta is testing a investment club that can lead to major financial institution to the Alanta Gambian community. Gambians all over the world should joint an financial investment club for better tomorrow. F.Y.I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:06:57 -0500 From: "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Sierra Leone Message-ID: <34E98B71.7C69@Mail.lig.bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gambia-l: as Nyang mentioned, many of us have ties of some kind to Sierra Leone. My grandfather, Ernest Scattred, emigrated to the Gambia from Sierra Leone. Amadou SJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:09:27 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: SV: leadership conference Message-ID: <9B236DF9AF96CF11A5C94044F32190311DB3DE@DKDIFS02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulation in organizing this conference. Sorry that I can not just fly in from Denmark. From outside it looks very fine, but also very ambitious, to come around the subjects within an hour or so, even you have fine lectures or speakers. My experiences are from NGO-sessions over the years. As I know you gambians, it will demand a very tough discipline, which I do hope you all will accept. I wish all of of you "good luck", and look forward to hear more about it. Asbj=F8rn Nordam > ---------- > Fra: latjor ndow[SMTP:latjor@hotmail.com] > Svar til: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > Sendt: 16. februar 1998 20:32 > Til: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Emne: leadership conference >=20 > Greetings: > Here is an update on the conference. The past week has been very=20 > promising and productive. A large segment of the D.C. community has=20 > embraced the need for a conference and have begun contributing=20 > significantly to its success. I hope this is reflected in the = emerging >=20 > format. The principal speakers, facilitators etc. will be posted=20 > shortly. Meanwhile, please send your input and inform others about = the >=20 > conference. > LatJor > +++++++++++++ > LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE >=20 > MEETING THE CHALLENGES OF THE 21ST CENTURY >=20 > HOWARD UNIVERSITY > BLACKBURN CENTER > 2:30 P.M. - 6:00 P.M. > SATURDAY FEB. 21ST, 1998 >=20 > You are cordially invited to participate in a Leadership Conference = to >=20 > define the mission, goals, objectives, and plans for the = establishment >=20 > of a Global Gambian Association. >=20 > CONTEXT >=20 > The establishment of such an association is based on the expressed=20 > interest of the gambian community for the development of an = integrated >=20 > and cohesive community that is self-reliant and productive in: >=20 > (a) meeting the economic, socio-cultural and professional needs of >=20 > gambians overseas; > (b) making a sustained and valuable contribution to the development = of >=20 > The Gambia, and > (c) meeting the challenges of the 21st century and their impact on = The >=20 > Gambia and Gambians. >=20 > Currently there exists numerous small organizations addressing = diverse >=20 > specific needs of the Gambian community. The Global Association would = > validate these organizations while seeking to address cross-cutting=20 > needs. >=20 > CONFERENCE AGENDA >=20 > 1. Registration and Open Space/Open Market Dialogue > 2. Plenary - Challenges of the 21st century > 3. Concurrent sessions (set 1) > 4. Plenary discussion > 5. Concurrent sessions (set 2) > 6. Plenary session > 7. Closure and Next Steps (introduction of: > (a) Policy and Strategic Planning Group=20 > (to compile information, analyze and finalize for action) > (b) Other groups to form to be based on the deliverables from = the >=20 > Policy and Strategic Planning Group.) >=20 > Concurrent sessions >=20 > a) The Global Association: Mission, Goals, Guiding Principles, >=20 > Membership; > b) Human Resource Development and Management (Education, Training and = > Professionalism, Health and Social Protection) > c) Knowledge Generation and Dissemination - Building the Learning >=20 > Community > d) Cultural Heritage and Sustainable Development > e) Economic and Financial Management > f) Managing an effective and sustainable Gambian association -=20 > What works, What does not work, What principles to apply,=20 > What structures, How to enhance partnership, commitment and =20 > ownership. >=20 > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:57:35 EST From: Gunjur@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <8386a5a8.34e9c181@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Archie, Please excuse my ignorance, but are these measurements in yards, meters ? And l do hope sincerely that these are not feet. Jabou In a message dated 2/16/98 7:39:19 PM, you wrote: <<Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> via Commit In response to Paul's enquiry: > How much are the plots selling for? A follow up enquiry was made with the Corporation earlier today and the following information may also be of interest: ========================== Dimension Price (Dalasis) 18 X 25 45,000 20 X 25 50,000 25 X 25 55,000 ========================= E&OE The approx. Mid-Market exchange rate as at today is $1 = Dal 10.2 Regards to all. Archi ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu> Received: from relay12.mail.aol.com (relay12.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.12]) by air07.mail.aol.com (v38.1) with SMTP; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:39:18 -0500 Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by relay12.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id TAA28642; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA01398; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:39:02 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA17730 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:38:46 -0800 Received: from mail1.sn.no (0@mail1.sn.no [194.143.8.8]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA18403 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:38:28 -0800 Received: from mail2.sn.no (0@mail2.sn.no [194.143.8.114]) by mail1.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with ESMTP id <BAA23522> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:38:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail2.sn.no (t6o203p20.telia.com [195.204.221.80]) by mail2.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with SMTP id <BAA23942> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:20:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from pcgroup (149.212.100.74) by south.commit.gm (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id <B0000055650@south.commit.gm>; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:50:38 +0000 Message-Id: <B0000055650@south.commit.gm> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:45:40 -0000 Reply-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia- l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:36:33 +0000 (GMT) From: "B.M.Jones" <B.M.Jones@econ.hull.ac.uk> To: amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net Cc: GAMBIA-L: ; Subject: Re: Sierra Leone Message-ID: <SIMEON.9802171733.A@p013.gri.hull.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I would like to thank Dr. Nyang as usual, for his brilliant exposition on Sierra Leone and also for educating me a little bit about my history and roots as i am a creole and my great grand father emigrated from Glouster in Sierra Leone to Gambia. Apart from the points already mentioned by him, I would also like to re-echo that every Gambian should take interest of what is happening in the sub region. Sierra Leone have trained hundreds of Gambians incluing four SOS in the current government. There are so many professionals from Sierra Leone in Banjul, some of whom are helping out at the RVH and schools. I hang out with some who are highly trained lawyers,accountants and engineers and these people have been displaced from their own homeland. These are some of the repercussions of internal turmoil in a country. However, BRAVO to Ecomog for solving an African problem. Some people are criticizing Nigeria because of its military government but let's look at the counterfactual, if Nigeria had not taken the lead and intervened in Sierra Leone and used force on Johnny Koroma who was not manly enough to stand up and fight but decided to "chicken out" and is now seeking political asylum - (so much for his bravery), the Sierra Leonian masses would still be suffering. At least the professionals and others can now return home and start the rebuilding process of their shattered economy which is going to be a difficult and uphill task. Their ministry of Finance has was burnt and flattened to the ground and the Central Bank was bombed by those irresponsible rebels. Another lesson that Aficans can derive from this is that we need African solutions to African problems. It is alright for the UN to condemn the military junta, so what! condemnnation does not bring about changes, action does and it has worked in Sierra Leone where a democratic elected government will once again take its righful place at the helm of affairs. cheers Basil On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:06:57 -0500 "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> wrote: > Gambia-l: > > as Nyang mentioned, many of us have ties of some kind to Sierra Leone. > My grandfather, Ernest Scattred, emigrated to the Gambia from Sierra > Leone. > > Amadou SJ ---------------------- B.M.Jones B.M.Jones@econ.hull.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:14:51 -0500 From: globexinc@erols.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SV: leadership conference Message-ID: <34E9D39B.72EC@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Asbj�rn Nordam wrote: > > Congratulation in organizing this conference. Sorry that I can not just > fly in from Denmark. From outside it looks very fine, but also very > ambitious, to come around the subjects within an hour or so, even you > have fine lectures or speakers. My experiences are from NGO-sessions > over the years. As I know you gambians, it will demand a very tough > discipline, which I do hope you all will accept. I wish all of of you > "good luck", and look forward to hear more about it. Asbj�rn Nordam > > > ---------- > > Fra: latjor ndow[SMTP:latjor@hotmail.com] > > Svar til: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > > Sendt: 16. februar 1998 20:32 > > Til: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > > Emne: leadership conference > > > > Greetings: > > Here is an update on the conference. The past week has been very > > promising and productive. A large segment of the D.C. community has > > embraced the need for a conference and have begun contributing > > significantly to its success. I hope this is reflected in the emerging > > > > format. The principal speakers, facilitators etc. will be posted > > shortly. Meanwhile, please send your input and inform others about the > > > > conference. > > LatJor > > +++++++++++++ > > LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE > > > > MEETING THE CHALLENGES OF THE 21ST CENTURY > > > > HOWARD UNIVERSITY > > BLACKBURN CENTER > > 2:30 P.M. - 6:00 P.M. > > SATURDAY FEB. 21ST, 1998 > > > > You are cordially invited to participate in a Leadership Conference to > > > > define the mission, goals, objectives, and plans for the establishment > > > > of a Global Gambian Association. > > > > CONTEXT > > > > The establishment of such an association is based on the expressed > > interest of the gambian community for the development of an integrated > > > > and cohesive community that is self-reliant and productive in: > > > > (a) meeting the economic, socio-cultural and professional needs of > > > > gambians overseas; > > (b) making a sustained and valuable contribution to the development of > > > > The Gambia, and > > (c) meeting the challenges of the 21st century and their impact on The > > > > Gambia and Gambians. > > > > Currently there exists numerous small organizations addressing diverse > > > > specific needs of the Gambian community. The Global Association would > > validate these organizations while seeking to address cross-cutting > > needs. > > > > CONFERENCE AGENDA > > > > 1. Registration and Open Space/Open Market Dialogue > > 2. Plenary - Challenges of the 21st century > > 3. Concurrent sessions (set 1) > > 4. Plenary discussion > > 5. Concurrent sessions (set 2) > > 6. Plenary session > > 7. Closure and Next Steps (introduction of: > > (a) Policy and Strategic Planning Group > > (to compile information, analyze and finalize for action) > > (b) Other groups to form to be based on the deliverables from the > > > > Policy and Strategic Planning Group.) > > > > Concurrent sessions > > > > a) The Global Association: Mission, Goals, Guiding Principles, > > > > Membership; > > b) Human Resource Development and Management (Education, Training and > > Professionalism, Health and Social Protection) > > c) Knowledge Generation and Dissemination - Building the Learning > > > > Community > > d) Cultural Heritage and Sustainable Development > > e) Economic and Financial Management > > f) Managing an effective and sustainable Gambian association - > > What works, What does not work, What principles to apply, > > What structures, How to enhance partnership, commitment and > > ownership. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > You are welcome . If you need an invitation just let us know Habib -- MZ� ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: Sarian Loum <Sarian.Loum@Corp.Sun.COM> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sillah Konateh Message-ID: <libSDtMail.9802171041.29997.sarian@groucho> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: w5xoQX8MbVBZCNbaZGjpVQ== Paul, Please direct this to the individual intended for. I just recently sent mail to the list addressing personal mails issue. regards, sarian > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:51:50 -0800 > From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> > To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Sillah Konateh > Mime-Version: 1.0 > X-Sender: bgibba@mail.interlog.com > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > > Hi! Mr. Konateh, > > I always suspected that you the brother of my friend Lasana Konateh in > Toronto but I never confirmed it until today. I asked Sana about you and he > confirmed that you are indeed his brother. Anyway, write to me by using my > private e-mail address----bgibba@interlog.com so we can say more. My > regards to you. Also, best wishes to you from Sana and his family members, > Fatoumata, Alhagie, Ansumana, Nfamara, Mansata, and Foday. > Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:13:15 -0500 From: globexinc@erols.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone Message-ID: <34E9E14B.3DFB@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit B.M.Jones wrote: > > I would like to thank Dr. Nyang as usual, for his brilliant > exposition on Sierra Leone and also for educating me a > little bit about my history and roots as i am a creole and > my great grand father emigrated from Glouster in Sierra > Leone to Gambia. > > Apart from the points already mentioned by him, I would > also like to re-echo that every Gambian should take > interest of what is happening in the sub region. Sierra > Leone have trained hundreds of Gambians incluing four SOS > in the current government. There are so many professionals > from Sierra Leone in Banjul, some of whom are helping out > at the RVH and schools. I hang out with some who are highly > trained lawyers,accountants and engineers and these people > have been displaced from their own homeland. These are some > of the repercussions of internal turmoil in a country. > > However, BRAVO to Ecomog for solving an African problem. > Some people are criticizing Nigeria because of its military > government but let's look at the counterfactual, if Nigeria > had not taken the lead and intervened in Sierra Leone and > used force on Johnny Koroma who was not manly enough to > stand up and fight but decided to "chicken out" and is now > seeking political asylum - (so much for his bravery), the > Sierra Leonian masses would still be suffering. At least > the professionals and others can now return home and start > the rebuilding process of their shattered economy which is > going to be a difficult and uphill task. Their ministry of > Finance has was burnt and flattened to the ground and the > Central Bank was bombed by those irresponsible rebels. > > Another lesson that Aficans can derive from this is that we > need African solutions to African problems. It is alright > for the UN to condemn the military junta, so what! > condemnnation does not bring about changes, action does and > it has worked in Sierra Leone where a democratic elected > government will once again take its righful place at the > helm of affairs. > > cheers > Basil > > On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:06:57 -0500 "A. Scattred Janneh" > <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > Gambia-l: > > > > as Nyang mentioned, many of us have ties of some kind to Sierra Leone. > > My grandfather, Ernest Scattred, emigrated to the Gambia from Sierra > > Leone. > > > > Amadou SJ > > ---------------------- > B.M.Jones > B.M.Jones@econ.hull.ac.uk You are very correct on why we should all be grateful to to ECOMOG for stopping the misery of the Sierra leonians.We are all somehow related to each other. My grandfather was a muslim lebanese immigrant who got married to the sister/cousin of the late Sir Milton Margai and Albert Margai who were christians. My mom immigrated to the Gambia to marry my dad and we were all born in Banjul. So you can see the relationship both religiously and nationally. After all even as human beings we should be concerned. peace Habib Diab Ghanim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:13:50 -0000 From: "foroyaa@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: LETTER TO SEC. OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS ON GOVT.'S DESIRE TO MEDIATE IN CASAMANCE Message-ID: <B0000056447@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Foroyaa" <foroyaa@commit.gm> via Commit Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Department of State for Foreign Affairs, Marina Parade, Banjul. 16 February, 1998. THE POLICY OF POSITIVE NEUTRALITY AND PROGRESSIVE RAPPROCHEMENT Problems do not solve themselves. They are solved by people. A person who goes asleep while his or her neighbour's house is on fire ultimately may find oneself in a state of permanent sleep when the fire visits one's roof. This is why the move of the government to offer to mediate in the Casamance crisis is very much in tune with the dictates of conventional wisdom. History has no place for people who fail to do their duty when the clarion call is trumpeted by our times and circumstances. History is made by people who have the determination, courage, organisational ability and are willing to elicit immense sacrifice to ensure that the regulatory mechanisms which bind our common humanity and which seek to keep intact our ardent desire to live in peace, prosperity and happiness are revitalised. The Casamance crisis is just next door. Gambians cannot escape the problem. We have the option to either be part of the problem or part of the solution. However, we cannot be part of the solution until we know the concrete realities which govern the crisis. The question now arises: What are we confronted with in Casamance? The answer is simple. It is a war situation. The fundamental task is how to make the forces of aggression to retire for good. This cannot be done until the contending forces yearn for peace and work assiduously to achieve it. This is inconceivable unless the factors which engineer the outbreak of war are understood and addressed. In short, war is the pursuit of the strategic objective of imposing one's will on one's adversary by instruments of coercion. Each contending party prosecutes war in order to attain given strategic objectives. Victory is the attainment of one's strategic objective. Whether a war situation can be contained, managed and ultimately resolved through negotiation or not depends entirely on the strategic objectives of the contending forces and the tenacity with which they cling to the contradictory goals which engender war. When contending forces call for cease fire without having any intension to shift the focal point of their strategic objectives, the peace merely serves as respite to prepare for more vicious war. Such negotiations merely serve to shift the date of reckoning. Hence, if The Gambia is to play a meaningful and decisive role in the resolution of the Casamance crisis, we must move from the shell of the war to the kernel. Once we are able to dissect the problem in order to expose all the vital organs, we may be able to give an objective prognosis and thus adopt a curative strategy. An objective review of the Casamance crisis would reveal the sensitive historical problem of self determination and the post independent conception of territorial integrity which is equated with the maintenance of old colonial borders as the boundaries of newly independent states. As Gambia prepares to take part in mediation, the Department of State for Foreign Affairs must acquaint itself with the historical roots of the crisis as conceived by the contending parties. The Casamance Independentists have a dossier on the historical basis for justifying their uprising. The strengths and weaknesses of their arguments must be thoroughly digested. The Senegalese Government has a dossier on the historical basis to determine the borders of the geopolitical entity now called Senegal. It is important to examine the dossier and fully comprehend the strengths and weaknesses of the historical evidence governing the colonial borders prior to independence. In this regard, there is need for a technical committee to be set up within the Department of State for Foreign Affairs which will liaise with the contending parties as well as the French and British Governments to find out a correct picture of the colonial history of the territory concerned as conceived by the various forces. This is absolutely essential if one is not to find oneself being battered by conflicting claims without being diplomatically literate to raise issues that would minimise differences in conception and promote a more fertile ground for an agreement. Hence, the first step to take is to investigate and gather all the different positions adopted by the contending forces and their justification before going on to set up the terms for negotiation. This is one fundamental step to note. Let us move to the second. Furthermore, it should be borne in mind that mediation may succeed or fail to address the immediate concerns. Hence, those who engage in mediation must know how to forge ahead in good order and how to retreat in good order should there be obstacles. In this way, mediators may safeguard themselves from becoming targets for the release of the aggression of the contending forces. This calls for a policy of positive neutrality. This policy calls for participation in resolving conflicts without being a part of them. This policy is what ECOMOG failed to apply in the Liberian situation. Consequently, immense properties and lives were lost before they learned to cope with the situation. The policy of positive neutrality is based on the acknowledgment that mediation is merely a diplomatic instrument which is utilised to facilitate amicable settlement of dispute. Mediation, therefore, presupposes that the contending parties have consented to the mediation efforts of the mediator. The policy of positive neutrality imposes on the mediator the duty to confine one's role to the reconciliation of the claims and views of the parties to a dispute. It permits the mediator to make proposals which the parties to a dispute may consider and approve thus providing a basis for an agreement or protocol to be signed to settle the dispute. They may also give the mediator the mandate to monitor the agreement. The Gambia, because of its unique position, should adopt the policy of positive neutrality. The reason for this is simple. The crystallization of such a policy is dictated by her geopolitical position as a bridge between the two contending forces. Gambia is, therefore, in a unique position to promote dialogue and the spirit of reconciliation between the two adversaries. However, it can also forfeit the unique advantage if it fails to adhere to the policy of positive neutrality and remain an impartial arbitrator. The reason for this is evident in recent developments. It is important for the Gambian authorities to have it as a focal point in their minds that it was in November, 1996 that the Farafenni attackers penetrated Gambia from the northern part of Senegal and occupied the military camp in Farafenni. On the other hand, the Kartong attackers also penetrated The Gambia from the Casamance in July, 1997. This demonstrates very clearly that Gambia has very porous borders with the contending forces and any alliance with one party could lead it to be the adversary of the other and thus render it vulnerable to the politics of destabilization. In short, attacks could be launched against the Gambian regime with the complicity of one of the contending parties. In this regard, the policy of positive neutrality is what will enable The Gambia to earn the confidence of the contending parties and participate in resolving the crisis without being drawn into it as a warring party. This policy of positive neutrality is a diplomatic instrument which should be one of the cornerstones of Gambia's policy on the resolution of the Casamance crisis. This is the first principle. Let us move to the second. Experience teaches that negotiation may provide a breathing space for a more atrocious and protracted war or a protracted and more durable peace. Suffice it to say negotiations which lead to escalation of conflict may be deemed to be irrelevant and undesirable. Each crisis has its nature and characteristics. The nature of each crisis determines its exigencies. These exigencies must be addressed to effect a settlement of a dispute. Clear-sightedness is necessary to know what it takes to address the exigencies of each situation. It is this farsighted perspective in diplomacy which enables the seasoned diplomats to search and find the principles, procedures and modalities which perfectly answer the urgent problems posed by each crisis situation. In cases where the strategic objectives of the contending forces are diametrically opposed to each other, one may conclude that a negotiated settlement constitutes a grandiose dream. Seasoned diplomats, however, do not resign to situations. They help build situations that make the seemingly unlikely feasible. Such ingenuity, such creative element in international diplomacy is what have prevented many catastrophic situations from unfolding in the course of our historical development. Such creativity, however, is rooted in objectivity. Applying this principle in the Casamance situation, one must ask whether there can be any agenda for peace to deal with the situation. This depends on whether the desire for peace outweighs the desire for war on both sides. Where this is not certain, the aim of the negotiation should be to inject certainty in the process. In our view, measures should be introduced to create an environment where the desire for peace will outweigh the desire for war on all sides. This makes it imperative for all sides to consistently and constantly work for peace. This policy of searching for measures which when implemented truly contributes to the consolidation of peace step by step so that the desire for peace ultimately outweighs the desire for war is the policy of progressive rapprochement. Under such a policy, negotiation serves as a breathing space for protracted peace instead of protracted war. What then are the concrete measures which could be taken to promote protracted peace in Casamance. It goes without saying that where there is so much distrust there is absolute need to create a climate of trust. Trust is inconceivable as long as there are skirmishes between the forces of the Senegalese army and those of MFDC. Therefore, the first task is how to establish durable a cease fire. Experience has shown that cease fire that is not linked to a comprehensive settlement package is amorphous and unsustainable. It constitutes cease fire in a vacuum. This may be the very defect which plagued all hitherto cease fire arrangements in Casamance. This initiative should not fall in the same trap. To avoid this situation, the parties of the conflict should have representatives who would be signatories to a cease fire agreement which should encompass other crisis management and resolution measures. The cease fire agreement should be seen as a response to the ardent desire of the people in the sub region to live in peace. The parties must undertake to end all hostilities or aggressive designs. All acts of reprisals and discrimination against individuals or organisations who have been part of the conflict must cease. Furthermore, the agreement should make provision for the parties to undertake to enter into negotiation within a stipulated period to ensure the achievement of a durable peace and lasting solution to the crisis. The agreement should make provision for all the parties to undertake to strictly respect and scrupulously implement the agreement and other protocols which may unfold during the negotiations. The agreement should make provision that in the event of violation which threatens the peace process the parties shall consult with each other and other mutually agreed arbiters with the view of determining necessary remedial measures. The Gambia, Guinea Bissau and France could perform the role of arbiters. Hence, it should be clear that the first task in the initiative for peace is forestalling all aggressive designs. This initiative should have a military component and a civil component. The military component should be characterised by cessation of armed confrontation and military manouevres. The civil component should be characterised by the promotion of civic liberties in the Casamance, the safeguarding of freedom of movement of people and goods, freedom of association, assembly and expression. Symposia and other fora for exchange of views on the crisis could be promoted by NGOs and other civic groups. The Gambia and Guinea Bissau shall undertake to treat refugees with respect and help them to keep track of the real stages of the negotiations. The media should be opened for discussion thus giving outlet to all shades of opinions. This could ensure the restoration of confidence in the population and encourage them to return to their villages and thus mitigate the refugee crisis. These measures should be pursued with the spirit of ending hatred and enmity and promoting trust, dialogue and concord. The second aspect of the agreement should be characterised by measures to resolve the crisis. The main component of this measure could be the holding of an international conference on Casamance. This conference should be opened with a symposium where representatives of the two contending forces and renowned personalities who are versed in the history of the area and international law and diplomacy could present papers. The members of MFDC in Casamance and abroad, members of the Senegalese Government, the representatives of the different political parties, the members of the National Assembly, religious groups, civic organisations, the press, prominent personalities in the arts, the United nations, OAU, ECOWAS could be invited to give clout to the occasion. Countries like Guinea Bissau, France and The Gambia can be assigned by the contending parties to play key roles in the opening of the conference. The heads of state of these countries or their representatives could address the conference. Furthermore, the President of Senegal and the representative of MFDC such as Reverend Diamacoune Senghor could address the gathering to promote the spirit of reconciliation and mutual desire for peaceful settlement of the conflict. The conference could then be followed by negotiation between the Senegalese Government an MFDC in the presence of representatives of the Bissau, Paris and Banjul authorities. It is envisaged that with such an approach there will be a way forward. To conclude, it is important to reiterate that the policy of progressive rapprochement springs from the desire to pursue peaceful resolution of disputes step by step through discussions and multiple agreements which are respected and scrupulously implemented by the parties so as to ultimately ensure a final settlement of a crisis. It sees the road to peace as a protracted enterprise, a chain link in which negotiators move from one link to the other without break or hesitation until the whole chain is put together. History gives opportunities to those who opt for the most realistic, just and humane solution to human tragedies. We must seize this opportunity, otherwise peace may be postponed indefinitely in the Casamance. While anticipating that you will give these propositions your undivided consideration. We remain, Yours in the service of humanity, ........................................... Halifa Sallah For: The Central Committee. cc: President of the Republic of The Gambia President of the Republic of Senegal President of the Republic of Guinea Bissau Representative of MFDC. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:25:24 -0500 From: Sailey_Sey <SeyS@husson.edu> To: "'Famara Demba '" <f-demba@cougarnet.netexp.net>, "'The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List '" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Unwarranted letters Message-ID: <B1AFF5622706D11180320000F80326D6273B0A@mail.husson.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Mr. Demba, Of course my letter was meant for the entire group. If i have a problem with too much unwarranted mail, I believe I should let the people who are causing the problem know. The letter wasn't for any one person, but to group members as a whole. Now if you think that I should send my letters somewhere else please let me know. Mistakes must definitely be allowed. You're right!!! I'm concerned about the intentional ones. Thank you. Si Jama Sailey p.s. No hard feelings over here brother!! -----Original Message----- From: Famara Demba To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List Sent: 2/13/98 8:09 PM Subject: Re:Unwarranted letters List members, It is to my understanding that Malanding S. Jaiteh and Sailey Sey are both against unwarranted mails( personal mails) posted to this list. Therefore I would assume that their recent letters were unintentionally posted to the list. Is that right Folks? Correct me if I'm wrong please will you? I am pretty sure that most of the personal mails seen on this list were posted unintentionally. Mistakes are human and I hope we always learn from them. Thank you and keep hopes alive. Famara Demba, Columbus, Ohio. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:58:17 EST From: JHNSHERRIF@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: LETTER TO SEC. OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS ON GOVT.'S DESIRE TO MEDIATE ... Message-ID: <1667c5c3.34e9f9e8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Foryaa: thank you for the proposals, the ideas , advice, counselling that your news paper is doing so well to educate Gambians around the world. we admires your effort, contributions, and the aknowledgement. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:32:33 -0500 From: Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Quite Interesting.... Message-ID: <71C35CDEBD9BD011865F00805FA6DA73269D8C@WEB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain http://www.saber.net/~walter/gemstone.txt Baboucarr Sillah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:19:57 -0500 (EST) From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Responsible e-mailing Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.980217210621.10878B-100000@terve.cc.columbia.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Folks, Regarding sending new members a helper of some sort, I agree with you that it is indeed overdue. I am presently working on reconfiguring the server for this purpose. Additionally, I am working on a subscription and unsubscription facility, to be accessible via the GambiaNet website, that should cut down on unwanted email. However, the unfortunate thing is that all these have to be done during R&R time; so these features might not appear immediately. -Abdou. Cherno Waka Jagne wrote: "And a question to the maintainers of the list, who, incidentally, are doing such a great job: is there some form of introduction to the list sent to newly subscribed members? I think this question was raised earlier. A short message with a brief description of Gambia-l and a summary of a few useful commands understood by the list processor would sure go a long way. Some new members have to chill for a while to get a feel for the nature of discussions on the list before they contribute or even send in an introduction. This is OK but first impressions do last and if a member joined at the wrong time, well..." ***************************************************************************** A.TOURAY Computer Science Columbia University New York, NY 10027 MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137 A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY. SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE. I WANDER AND I WONDER. ALAS, ALL RESPITE IS FINAL. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:57:34 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Nagano winter olympics Message-ID: <19980218045734.10293.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain What's up fellows?? Has anyone been keeping up with the ongoing events in Nagano (winter olympics)? I'll take it most of us are not big fans. Just out of curiousity though, how the heck are some of these events considered sports? Like ice dancing or curling. The IOC should have included break dancing in the Atlanta games:-) Anyway, I'm looking foward to my favorite event, ladies figure skating...the short program is only a few hours away. Peace to ya'll! Sam. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:21:05 +2000 From: mmjeng@image.dk To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ Message-ID: <199802181024.LAA11209@mail.image.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mr Jallow Thank you for your long lecture. It is both intresting and educative. My concern at the time of writing ie before 13th. February the day ECOMAG took control of Freetown was that the people of Sierre Leone already got enough under Koroma and to add "kani" to that comes the ECOMAG with their heavy weapons in that small city Freetown fighting the junta and the rebels. It was a big concern. I am glad like you and everybody else that freetown is back to normal and I join the people of Sierre Leone in jubilating and celebrating. Thats what we all wanted but I wanted it in a peaceful way. As Dr. Nyang mentioned, many of us have ties of some kind to Sierra Leone. My "Tooma" the man named after me is of Sierre Leone orgin but setteled in the Gambia. The late Mr. Matarr Hausa was my father`s boss and my father named me after him. Until later keep the flag flying high and wish you and all down there a happy Independence Cerebration. Greetings Matarr M. Jeng ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:32:33 +0330 From: "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Nagano winter olympics Message-ID: <19980218052442.AAA7021@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellas, Let's focus on important issues and let's chill out if we do not have anything to say.. Asalamu alaikum Baresi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:38:44 +0330 From: "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Responsible e-mailing Message-ID: <19980218052442.AAB7021@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellows, I would like to commend Mr Jagne on the clear and precise manner in which he has presented the issue of misdirected mail. I suggest that everyone take a look at the message to its entirety and learn a lot from the words of this humble guy. But then again who am I to opinionate anything. PeaCE Lang Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:48:23 +0330 From: "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Responsible e-mailing Message-ID: <19980218053630.AAA15293@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lang Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:57:33 -0000 From: "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re Sierra Leone Message-ID: <B0000056866@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> via Commit Amadou earlier wrote to the list > as Nyang mentioned, many of us have ties of some kind to Sierra Leone. > My grandfather, Ernest Scattred, emigrated to the Gambia from Sierra > Leone. To add some weight to this fact kindled from Dr Nyang message is my own case which might be interesting to share. Consider this: My Grandma, a fully fledge Gambian, left Banjul for studies at FBC (college) in Freetown. At college she met with my Granddad, a fully fledge Sierra Leonean, and the two got married thus bringing together the Moore family of Allen Street in Banjul and the Graham Family of Freetown. Their 1st child, my Dad, was born at Allen Street in Banjul thus his claim to Gambian nationality by maternity and birth. My Dad and his youngest brother (also born in Banjul) spent some part of their early years with some family members in Banjul and moved to Freetown to join their parents then working in Freetown. My Dad got married to my Mom, a Sierra Leonean, and his youngest brother decided to settle in his motherland (the Gambia) and latter got married to my aunt thus bringing together the then emerging Gambian Graham family with the Cline family of Freetown in my Dad's case and with the Cham family of Bakau in my uncle's case. My parent's 1st child, myself, was born in Freetown where I did my primary schooling, after which I came to The Gambia, with my Grandma, who was then returning home for good, and have ever since spent the rest of my life here. So now if I should take up a wife from The Gambia, there continues the roll of the living ball of my family ties between the two nations into generations. This case illustrating the bonds of family relations between the two national groups however is not in itself peculiar to my immediate family. I even know of a close Gambian friend of mine who has very much similar experience to share but he is not currently available for me to establish the facts in his case. Indeed the family relations in West Africa extend beyond the man-made political boundaries, which I am fully convinced would one day be of little or no account. Thanks once again to Dr Nyang for the insightful piece on the list. Regards to all Archi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:49:38 -0000 From: "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <B0000056865@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> via Commit Further to Jabou's message: > Please excuse my ignorance, but are these measurements in yards, meters ? I apologize for the omission of the unit of measurement. The dimensions stated in my message to the list on the above subject some time earlier are all in METRE unit of measurements. Regards to all Archi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:05:36 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Re Sierra Leone Message-ID: <01bd3c7e$aac31760$572385c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archi! I love this one (the to-ing and Fro-ing of family connections).Its very sweet. Thanks for sharing it with us and keep up the good work down there! Regards Bassss! ************************************************************************ ************************************ >Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm>hich might be interesting to share. > >Consider this: > >My Grandma, a fully fledge Gambian, left Banjul for studies at FBC >(college) in Freetown. At college she met with my Granddad, a fully fledge >Sierra Leonean, >and the two got married thus bringing together the Moore family of Allen >Street in Banjul and the Graham Family of Freetown. Their 1st child, my >Dad, was born at Allen Street in Banjul thus his claim to Gambian >nationality by maternity and birth. My Dad and his youngest brother (also >born in >Banjul) spent some part of their early years with some family members in >Banjul and moved to Freetown to join their parents then working in >Freetown. My Dad got married to my Mom, a Sierra Leonean, and his youngest >brother decided to settle in his motherland (the Gambia) and latter got >married to my aunt thus bringing together the then emerging Gambian Graham >family with the Cline family of Freetown in my Dad's case and with the Cham >family of Bakau in my uncle's case. My parent's 1st child, myself, was born >in Freetown where I did my primary schooling, after which I came to The >Gambia, with my Grandma, who was then returning home for good, and have >ever >since spent the rest of my life here. So now if I should take up a wife >from The Gambia, there continues the roll of the living ball of my family >ties between the two nations into generations. > >This case illustrating the bonds of family relations between the two >national groups however is not in itself peculiar to my immediate family. I >even know of a close Gambian friend of mine who has very much similar >experience >to share but he is not currently available for me to establish the facts in >his case. > >Indeed the family relations in West Africa extend beyond the >man-made political boundaries, which I am fully convinced would one day be >of little or no account. > >Thanks once again to Dr Nyang for the insightful piece on the list. > >Regards to all >Archi > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:35:25 EST From: Gunjur@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project Message-ID: <3753f982.34eaffbf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info. Jabou. In a message dated 2/18/98 6:32:59 AM, you wrote: <<Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> via Commit Further to Jabou's message: > Please excuse my ignorance, but are these measurements in yards, meters ? I apologize for the omission of the unit of measurement. The dimensions stated in my message to the list on the above subject some time earlier are all in METRE unit of measurements. Regards to all Archi ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu> Received: from relay17.mail.aol.com (relay17.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.71]) by air04.mail.aol.com (v38.1) with SMTP; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:32:59 -0500 Received: from lists.u.washington.edu (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by relay17.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id GAA07864; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id DAA48208; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:20:31 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id DAA10200 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:19:46 -0800 Received: from mail1.sn.no (mail1.sn.no [194.143.8.8]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id DAA27881 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:19:44 -0800 Received: from mail2.sn.no (0@mail2.sn.no [194.143.8.114]) by mail1.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with ESMTP id <MAA10883> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:19:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail2.sn.no (t4o203p57.telia.com [195.204.220.237]) by mail2.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with SMTP id <MAA10207> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:19:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from pcgroup (149.212.100.55) by south.commit.gm (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id <B0000056865@south.commit.gm>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:03:25 +0000 Message-Id: <B0000056865@south.commit.gm> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:49:38 -0000 Reply-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia- l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SSHFC - Brusubi Housing Project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:35:29 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: The ECONOMY : How It Works ! Message-ID: <01bd3c82$d7c26be0$572385c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Things We Should Know About The Economy!! The Devine Contract between God and Humans was that He would create them and they would worship him.And the Social Contract between humans was that the various tasks necessary for the proper functioning of society must be devided amongst them (division of labour).Some would bake the bread,others would toil the soil and still others would undertake other tasks.And just as you don't have to recall contracting with the creator so that he would create you and you worship him,you don't have to remember signing up for the Social Contract that would make it obligatory upon you to provide atleast one service for members of your society so that you also could receive other services from the other members.This, in a nutshell,is the genesis of economic activity in any given human settlement. So,we can now define Economic Activity as the production of goods and services for the satisfaction of human wants.But the problem with human wants is :the more you try to satisfy them,the more they increase in scope,quality and even in type.So,strictly speaking,there is no way you can ever satisfy human wants,which means Economic activity will not only never stop,but also the need for it to grow and expand will persist for ever and ever as long as human societies exist.Now,since the insatiable nature of human wants makes it necessary for economic activity to go on permanently,and since economic activity is nothing more than the transformation of available resources into the goods and services that the society wants or needs, and since the available resources belong to all the members of society,and since those resources are not unlimited,it becomes incumbent upon the general members of the society to agree on a set of policies that would ensure that those resources are utilized efficiently and for the benefit of everyone. Such a policy,when agreed upon,is called the Economic Policy of that society. So,Economic Policy is in a sense the politics of attempting to strike a balance between the various claims on the available resources in any given society.And that is why there are basically two types of economic policies.The Macro Aims that define the general economic objectives of the society as a whole(the whole of Gambia,from Banjul to Koina); and the Micro Aims which define the economic objectives in each of the various sectors of the National Economy e.g.. the objectives that should be realized in Gambia's Fisheries or Agriculture or Tourism etc. . For the state to set down a sound Macro policy beneficial to the whole country, it must consider very carefully five major factors: 1) The Level of employment. 2) The standard of living. 3) the balance of payments(import/export) 4) the general level of prices(inflation/deflation) 5) The rate of economic growth (expansion /contraction of economic activity) In theory, at least,the aim of the gov't should be to achieve full employment for all able bodies in the country.It should also aim at increasing the production of goods and services every year since that is what indicates the level of economic growth in the country.That is because without adequate rate of economic growth, it would be impossible to raise the standard of living as it would be impossible to provide for the maintenance and upgrading of the amenities or social capital (schools,hospitals,roads etc..) and inorder to increase the capacity of economy to create more goods and services,more of the unemployed need to be absorbed into the economy,which cannot take place in the absence of investment in either new industries or more of the existing ones.And investment ,on the other hand ,cannot take place when too much consumption is taking place. But before ,say,the government of the Gambia can set down its National Economic Policy,it must first ,just like any good businessman,look at the resources it has. And a country's resources reside in three main sectors: 1)The Primary 2) The Secondary and 3) The Tertiary (third) Sector. The Primary Sector is basically those natural resources available to a country as a result of sheer accident of history and geography and ecology, e.g.. the size of (the land) gambia,how much of it can be used for agriculture,the size of the population,are there any raw materials in its soil.As for the Secondary Sector, it is the existence of industries that are involved in the manufacturing of goods and finished products meant either for the local or external markets or both.And as for the Tertiary (third)Sector,that is what we normally call The Infrastructures.So,the potential Economic development of any given country,in the end,depends on the nature and degree of interplay that takes place between these three sectors. A quick look at Gambia would clarify this point.We know that in the Primary Sector ,Gambia does not have those primary products(raw materials like oil) which we could quickly sell on the international market to earn the Hard Currency we need to finance our other developmental projects.The only thing we do have is an arable land, a river and a youthful population.And since Gambia does not have money to begin with, and since the initial stages of agriculture is labour-intensive and does not need a lot of money, economic wisdom requires that a country like the Gambia should first try to develop its agricultural sector as a springboard for the development of the country as a whole,just like many of the industrialized nations of today have done in the past.But no development can rely solely on the Primary Sector.Once the development of the agricultural sector is underway,it will not take long before problems arise that would make it necessary to rely on the Secondary and Tertiary Sectors for solutions. For instance,lets imagine a situation whereby 70% of Gambia's Arable land is used to full capacity for growing various produces. Such a situation would create a surplus of produces that would need a wider market (e.g.. Senegal,Guinea Bissau) than Gambia.And for us to be able to store that surplus and get it to those markets when needed, we must have an effective network of communications (tertiary sector) established in the length and breadth of the country. Coming back to the Agricultural sector,the kind of mostly primitive farming that we all know in the Gambia is not the kind of agriculture that will ever amount to much in the form of developing this vital sector.Afterall,we have been doing that for centuries!.So,the wealth generated after the first push and mass mobilization of the peasants and the wealth generated from the private sector (after the private sector has been expanded and energized by the lowering of interests on capital lending) will have to be invested in agricultural technology and equipment.So,the so-called labour-intensive phase of agriculture,which gambia has always been in, must give way to the capital-intensive one before our nation can stand any chance of developing its economy through the agrarian sector. But once we have overcome the difficulty related to raising sufficient amount of capital to get into the capital-intensive phase of agriculture,we will face another serious problem.That problem is twofold: the first being that once we get the machines that can do our agriculture for us, most of our present peasants ,maybe more than half, will have to cease being peasants because their services will no longer be needed in the agricultural sector.And this means that they will have to seek employment in other sectors(secondary sector) of the economy, which also means that they will have to learn some new skills (tertiary sector) other than farming.The second related problem is that those peasants left on the farms would have to be vigorously re-trained and made literate for them to be able to handle the new mode of agricultural production, else they will have to be totally replaced by younger and much more educated and skilled members of the population. But soon after the new agricultural techniques have been largely established and mastered and surplus production has reached its maximum, it will become logically necessary to invest and develop the manufacturing (secondary) sector,especially those manufacturing plants that process agricultural produce.And the development of this sector will help absorb not only the labour released from the developing agrarian sector,but also help process our surplus agricultural produce that we could be exported to foreign markets. So,we can now say, finally,that agriculture(primary sector) is one of our few best hopes for our development; and for us to be able to develop our this very vital sector,we must find a way of getting out of the labour-intensive phase and enter the capital-intensive one.But inorder for agriculture to become more capital-intensive and for the manufacturing sector that must help it, to develop, a large number of subsidiary services(infrastructures)must be available. And some of those services are: communications(telecommunication);education(skill training); housing; banking and financial services;hospitals and energy (power). we can now see how the three main sectors (primary,secondary and tertiary) of the Gambian economy,and any economy for that matter, must work together before any meaningful development could take place. But before closing,we need to say a couple of things about Gambia's tourism.It is true that our real future development lies with the agricultural sector, but our country's tourist industry,if upgraded to international standards(since we already have the basic infrastructure for it) can help enormously in generating the hard currency we would need to invest in the agrarian sector.Because, for one thing ,tourism can grow very rapidly even in poor and undeveloped countries like Gambia and can generate considerable foreign currency earnings of a country in relatively short period and does not need the kind of sophisticated skills needed for the running and maintenance of industrial plants,which takes a longer period to achieve.So, any serious talk of developing Gambia's subsistence economy to one of growth and prosperity will have to make Agriculture and Tourism its first principal targets. In our NEXT Episode, we will talk about the DEBT BURDEN and Public Finance of a country like Gambia and the problems related to them. Regards Basssss! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: African Nations' Cup Message-ID: <9802181537.AA62554@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Soccer fans, Here is a quick glance at the standings of the participant nations of the AFRICAN NATIONS CUP competition. If you detect any erroneous results, please direct them to me. Thank you. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ************************************************************************ Key notation: * - advance to quarterfinals GROUP A Cameroon 1 Burkina Faso 0 Algeria 0 Guinea 1 Cameroon 2 Guinea 2 Algeria 1 Burkina Faso 2 Burkina Faso 1 Guinea 0 Cameroon 2 Algeria 1 1. Cameroon * 3- 7 ( 5- 3) 2. Burkina Faso * 3- 5 ( 3- 2) 3. Guinea 3- 4 ( 3- 3) 4. Algeria 3- 0 ( 2- 5) GROUP B Congo 2 Togo 1 Ghana 2 Tunisia 0 Congo 1 Tunisia 2 Ghana 1 Togo 2 Ghana 0 Congo 1 Tunisia 3 Togo 1 1. Tunisia * 3- 6 ( 5- 4) 2. Congo * 3- 6 ( 4- 3) 3. Ghana 3- 3 ( 3- 3) 4. Togo 3- 3 ( 4- 6) GROUP C South Africa 0 Angola 0 Ivory Coast 4 Namibia 3 South Africa 1 Ivory Coast 1 Angola 3 Namibia 3 Angola 2 Ivory Coast 5 South Africa 4 Namibia 1 McCarthy (8,11,19,21) 1. Ivory Coast * 3- 7 (10- 6) 2. South Africa * 3- 5 ( 5- 2) 3. Angola 3- 2 ( 5- 8) 4. Namibia 3- 1 ( 6-10) GROUP D Zambia 1 Morocco 1 Egypt 2 Mozambique 0 Zambia 0 Egypt 4 Morocco 3 Mozambique 0 Morocco 1 Egypt 0 Zambia 3 Mozambique 1 1. Morocco * 3- 7 ( 5- 1) 2. Egypt * 3- 6 ( 6- 1) 3. Zambia 3- 4 ( 4- 6) 4. Mozambique 3- 0 ( 1- 8) QUARTER FINALS Friday, February 20 Cameroon E Congo E Saturday, February 21 Tunisia F Burkina Faso F Ivory Coast G Egypt G Sunday, February 22 Morocco H South Africa H SEMI-FINALS Wednesday, February 25 winner E (X) winner H (X) winner F (Y) winner G (Y) 3rd PLACE MATCH Friday, February 27 Runner-up (X) - Runner-up (Y) - FINAL MATCH Saturday, February 28 Winner (X) - Winner (Y) - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:44:00 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: African Nations' Cup - News Message-ID: <9802181544.AA25888@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just thought this might interest some of you. Regards, Moe ************************************************************************** Soccer-Ghana's Pele bows out of international scene By Nicholas Phythian Ghana's veteran captain Abedi Pele has bowed out of international soccer, saying he was finding it more and more difficult to balance the competing demands of club and country. Pele, three times African Footballer of the Year, ended his international career on Monday as the Black Stars crashed out of the African Nations Cup, which they last won when he first played for them as a raw 17-year-old in Libya in 1982. ``It's my last (international), it's my last,'' Pele, now 33, told reporters after his side's 1-0 defeat by the little fancied Democratic Republic of the Congo, adding that he would continue his career with his German club 1860 Munich. Pele, the inspiration behind the Black Stars for over a decade, announced that he would call it quits after Ghana's sparkling 2-0 victory over World Cup qualifiers Tunisia in their opening game of this year's competition. ``After 17 years service to the national team, the Black Stars, the competing demands of club and international football are inevitably exacting their toll on my depleting stock of energy,'' he said in a statement. [...] ------------------------------- Source: Reuters news ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:26:06 -0500 From: Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! Message-ID: <34EB0B9D.F15@emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Everyone, I can't believe that no one beat me into wishing all of the Gambians a HAPPY and PEACEFUL INDEPENDANCE DAY to you all. With all my busy schedule, I though my head was falling apart. But I think there are some good brain parts left in my head. Hope Tombong, Archi, Pa Musa and the rest, had a wonderful celebrations and looking forward to their postings on this BIG DAY!!!! Going back to elementary school years, it used to be fun times prepairing and participation for matching on this day, and not forgetting the competition between schools. That was crazy but fun. Hope I brought back some memories to some of you. Since I can't remember all of mine yet at the moment, maybe some of you might have some real stories you would like to share with us. Proud to be a GAMBIAN !!!!!! Peace to All, King Solomon
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Momodou	Posted - 10 Sep 2021 : 17:36:10 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:02:03 EST From: SANG1220@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: New Member Message-ID: <ea890904.34ee278d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Moe, "you don't say" As I remember it those of us front Saints did pretty well at during my time. We even woop your butts in soccer (laugh) Laughing With You Daddy Sang ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 03:20:55 -0800 From: MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <34EEB897.5721@swipnet.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! Thanks Alpha for your thoughts. What I digested from your poem was not a craving to be under colonial rule but the reality of our continued dependence only this time made worse by our own mismanagement. I have for a long time been under the impression that a non-public holiday, low key "National Day" should be instituted and not the "Independence Day" in which hundreds of thousands/millions of Dalasis are wasted, parents are put under pressure to impart with their meagre resources to ensure their children=B4s participation and children are made to suffer so much under the hot sun etc. For an illusory independence. What independence do we have when our economic, political, social, cultural, legal etc. programmes have to be tailored to meet the approval of those who we are supposedly independent of? A National Day celebration would at least celebrate our national entity, our achievements, ourselves and not some illusory independence. It would at least be more in line with our realities. Thanks. Buharry. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Alpha Robinson wrote: > = > Some reflections on independence day > = > What Independence > When after 33 years > We are still battling with poverty > Material poverty > Spiritual poverty > Poverty of will > What Independence > When after 33 years we own not our minds > Our souls and our bodies > What independence > When the birth of a child > Becomes a source of worry > When the death of a family member > Triggers cold trickles of rejoice > When we rejoice instead of crying > And cry instead of rejoicing > What independence > When after 33 years > Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival > When men and women no longer own their conscience > When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile > And intelligence amounts to opportunism > When justice is murdered in cold blood > While we sing dance and rejoice > The same dances > The same parades > What independence > When honesty truthfulness and integrity > Become the enemy of a people > When parents send their children to steal rape and kill > What independence > When young people have to leave their motherland > Their beloved one > Uprooted and already defeated > In search of life > When we fail to provide opportunities for our children > To learn grow and live > What independence > When the cracks on farmers feet > The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin > Keep haunting us after 33 years > When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets > When we live on the crumbs > Leftover by other nations > When leaders still play God with the innocent > When keeping our people ignorant > Seems to be our greatest achievement > What independence > When egoism becomes self-righteous > When the rich and the poor of today > Stand at opposite end of the widening valley > While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own > Meanders into the common future of destitution > What independence > When clean potable water > The most basic requirement of life > Is a luxury to many > When the best curable diseases > Claim their daily quota on our children > Well before they are born > When parents can no longer be proud of their children > And children can no longer be proud of their parents > For being just and honest > Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption > What independence are we celebrating? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:32:20 EST From: KTouray@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re:subscribe Message-ID: <105e2a17.34ee3cb7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sorry I forgot give Lamino Kantehs address...he is at Lkanteh@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:50:31 -0500 From: nahak@juno.com (Michael J Gomez) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 3 rd Annual Midwest Graduate Student Conference in African Studies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <19980220.235033.4462.0.nahak@juno.com> The 3rd Annual Midwest Graduate Student Conference in African Studies will take place on February 27 to March 1, 1998 at the University of Wisconsin in Madison. I will be attending the conference to present a paper entitle "The Role African Leaders Can Play in Forming, Changing and Sustaining Organizational Culture". Please, I would love to meet with some Gambians in the Madison area. If you know any Gambian in Madison, kindly let me know. May God bless us all. Michael B.B.J. Gomez _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:28:39 -0000 From: "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Are US Bombs Falling on Bagdad Once Again? Part 2 Message-ID: <B0000058689@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm> via Commit Hi Gassama. Thank you for using your time to repond in such a qualified way to my viewpoints. Workload prevent me from responding in-depth for now, but shortly said, you have many valid view points that I will read trough and study in time. However I would like you to give your view (in time of course) to one argument I made in my last mail. As follows: "Media is a powerful influence i agree, but that does not change the fact that Bill actually just cannot push his atomic weapon buttons when ever he wants to.On the other hand I would like to see any "tired of life" guy who would object to Mr.Saddam or Mr.Gadaffi from sending their potentional rockets...." Also as a note: I see that you extensively quote articles from "Living Marxism". Is that magazine/paper in your view a objective source of information? Regards, Tosh The Gambia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:44:28 -0800 (PST) From: Musa Sonko <msonko@yahoo.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: SAINTS VS GHS Message-ID: <19980221074428.1156.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We have too much Saint's vs GHS stuff on the list! There is just no time to read all that rivalry. So please give us a break. Cheers. ---Makhou Diagne <igotyoub@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Mrs. Binta Njie -- How are you? I think that now I am the newest > member after you. I am also a graduate student at TIT. Check me out. > > Speaking of Tombong, please leave the man alone. > > Makh. > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:04:14 -0800 From: MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Are US Bombs Falling on Bagdad Once Again? Part 2 Message-ID: <34EF414E.A95@swipnet.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Torstein! You wrote: > However I would like you to give your view (in time of course) to one > argument I made in my last mail. > As follows: > "Media is a powerful influence i agree, but that does not change the fa= ct > that Bill actually just cannot push his atomic weapon buttons when ever= he > wants to.On the other hand I would like to see any "tired of life" guy = who > would > object to Mr.Saddam or Mr.Gadaffi from sending their potentional > rockets...." If Bill Clinton as an individual cannot push the atomic button, America as a collective can. And it is as dangerous to third world and other nations that have different viewpoints as Saddam or Ghaddafi are in your point of view. If America had plans to attack Middle Eastern countries if their oil embargo during the 70s had posed a threat to American interests, wouldn=B4t you say that that country is rather dangerous? Considering that it thinks that it has the right to institute a crippling embargo on Cuba for decades based on nothing but ideology. All America talks about is "American interests". Anyone who threatens American interests will pay dearly for it. Don=B4t we as the other member= s of the world community have interests? Or do you think America should maintain its interests at the peril of other nations whose interests differ? So, even though Bill Clinton as an individual does not have the power to on his own desire press the button, his views on America=B4s position in the world are synonymous with those who have to make the decisions. If it is ok for American authorities to sanction the bombing of Iraq, destroying innocent Iraqi lives and infrastructure because some Iraqis were arrested for plotting to kill ex-president George Bush, these are therefore a dangerous collection of people. Why didn=B4t the accused go through the legal process? Isn=B4t America supposed to be the champion of democracy? How many times did America attempt to kill Castro? How many third world liberation leaders did the CIA eliminate directly or indirectly? Did anyone bomb Washington? = What makes you so sure that Saddam or Ghaddafi can on their own order the firing of weapons of mass destruction? Do you have any proof or are you just assuming that because they are "third world dictators", they can? How would Netanyahu and Israel fit in this equation? = You also wrote: > I see that you extensively quote articles from "Living Marxism". > Is that magazine/paper in your view a objective source of information? Why wouldn=B4t the paper be objective? Because it has "Marxism" in its name? Would you have asked that question if all those quotes were from Newsweek, Time etc.? The articles that I have used from Living Marxism are objectively researched with corroborated evidence from various sources. Maybe the question you should be asking is if it is neutral. And then ask yourself whether Western news sources are neutral. As a BBC official interviewed after the Gulf War on BBC=B4s neutrality in terms of= its coverage noted, it is one thing to be objective and another to be neutral. As professional journalists, he explained, they had obligations to be objective but they did not have to be neutral. If BBC is not neutral, Living Marxism should not be expected to be. However, it is very objective. I have also used a lot of Western sources in my reply. In my search for knowledge, I refuse to be limited by semantics. I would not automatically assume that Living Marxism just because it sounds communist would not have anything objective in it. If I have to classify myself according to Western ideology, I would say I am a big capitalist and I am not in the slightest way a communist. That would however not stop me from reading Living Marxism. Most of my inspiration comes from America - in terms of technology, business principles etc. I did my first degree in America. America has played an important role in my life. That would however not stop me from criticising America where I feel that its policies are wrong or hypocritical. So, I say that Living Marxism is objective. Thanks. Have a good weekend. Buharry. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= tgr@commit.gm wrote: > = > Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm> > via Commit > = > Hi Gassama. > = > Thank you for using your time to repond in such a qualified way to my > viewpoints. > Workload prevent me from responding in-depth for now, but > shortly said, you have many valid view points that I will read trough a= nd > study in time. > = > However I would like you to give your view (in time of course) to one > argument I made in my last mail. > As follows: > "Media is a powerful influence i agree, but that does not change the fa= ct > that Bill actually just cannot push his atomic weapon buttons when ever= he > wants to.On the other hand I would like to see any "tired of life" guy = who > would > object to Mr.Saddam or Mr.Gadaffi from sending their potentional > rockets...." > = > Also as a note: > I see that you extensively quote articles from "Living Marxism". > Is that magazine/paper in your view a objective source of information? > = > Regards, > Tosh > The Gambia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:52:11 EST From: MODOUMASS@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence?: How about a fund? Message-ID: <84c75cc2.34eef82d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Francis,=0A=0AI think it is good that Alpha did acieve his aim in publish= ing his poem, that=0Ais stirring up a debate. It is, also, brilliant tha= t some questions what=0AAlpha is to do in contributing towards ending thi= s fiasco. The answer to that=0Ais poem by which he was able to create a = debate and the reflection on the part=0Aof others. He has cotributed his = quota: He has belled the cat.=0A=0AA more genuine question is what can w= e do as individual gambians and as a=0Acollective to alleviate the situat= ion. I was thinking that we could create a=0Afund and an administration= for the prevention of civil liberties abuse=0A(Example: arrest of radio = journalists Sillah and Gaye). Most of us could=0Aafford to spare =A31.00= a week as contribution towards that fund. This=0Acollection should not = be limited to Lers only but other Gambians throughout=0Athe diaspora who = are not on line.=0A=0AThe administration should be based in the Gambia co= mprising of committed human=0Aright activists who can take the government= to the courts for flagrant=0Adisregard for the rights of people as entre= nched in the 1997 Constitution.=0APeoples rights have been trampled on mo= re than once, but because they do not=0Ahave the knowhow nor the financia= l resources they never applied for redress.=0AThis is where the fund com= es in. We provide the resources. Abused people get=0Aredress. The rulin= g government sticks by the book or is exposed and=0Aunderstands that any = violation of the constitution will be challenged. =0A=0AThis, I hope, wi= ll bring more stability and create an enabling environment for=0Ainvestme= nt. And this meagre contribution of =A31.00 a week only. This is what= =0AI think and hoping to hear from you all.=0A=0Amodoumass=0A=0Ayou wrote= :=0AAnd I thought I was depressed over the status quo! I would rather not= =0Atarnish the commendable artistry of Alpha's poem with critique and ins= tead=0Asee the poem as a statement of the majority of the ills that exist= and some=0Aof the ills that could potentially become rampant. =0A=0AI ho= wever think the lack of a decent estimate of the "half-life of=0Acolonial= ism" as it pertains to our part of the world (and in a rapidly=0Achanging= world) makes it difficult to judge the significance of 33 years as=0Aopp= osed to say 60 years.=0A=0AI also have more questions than answers and mo= re importantly feel amply=0Apowerless with respect to the status quo.= ... I only hope that the cycle of=0Apoor governance, virtual economic stag= nation, coup d'etats, flagrant=0Aviolations of civil liberties, and the "= brain drain" is not=0Aself-sustaining, i.e. not an unyielding feedback sy= stem, and that we can=0Afind effective ways to contribute towards allevia= ting these ills while "out=0Ahere". =0A=0A- Francis=0A ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:16:46 -0500 From: "Mambuna Bojang" <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> To: "gambia-l@u.washington.edu" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: CAF first quater-final results Message-ID: <34EEFDED.78F8689F@mail.transy.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 21st African nations cup continues to be more and more unpredictable. Cameroon's Indomitable Lions were shocked by Congo's lone goal win last evening. The interesting thing about it is that Congo lost two players during the game and yet upset 1986, 1990 worldcup heroes. As Congo now already made their way to the semi-finals, Ivory Coast takes on Egypt while Tunisia takes on host Burkina tonight. South Africa takes on favorites Morrocco tomorrow which many are saying will the best match of the compitition. You can get updated results and commemtary from the following site: **** http://www.cafonline.com/main_con.htm *********** Nice weekend to you all! GOD SPEED!! Pa-Mambuna, the Bluegrass state. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:14:53 EST From: Bolsey225@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <9e0c320f.34eefd7f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-02-20 01:40:00 EST, you write: << rather not tarnish the commendable artistry of Alpha's poem with cri >> HI MR.ROBINSON, THANKS FOR A GOOD TEXT, BUT WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT. I DO NOT KNOW YOU BUT YOU SOUND VERY EDUCATED AND YOUR WORK SEEM WELL PLAN. BUT WHO IS THIS FOR, SURELY NOT GAMBIA . IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS PIECE WAS WRITTEN FOR SOME OTHER NATION. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE VOICE OF SOME ONE CRYING FOR HELP FROM SOME VERY POOR PART OF THE WORLD. YOU KNOW GAMBIA IS NOT THAT BAD. I READ IT FOR A FEW GAMBIANS AROUND ME, THEY COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS IS FOR THE GAMBIA NOR WAS IT WRITTEN BY A GAMBIAN. CAN YOU PLEASE LIGHTING US ON SOME OF YOUR POINTS , I JUST CANNOT SEE WHAT YOU TRYING TO SAY. THIS PIECE WAS REALLY NOT MEANT FOR US, MAYBE PART OF IT BUT NOT ALL. INFACT PART OF IT CAN STAND FOR ALL THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. FELLOW I THINK WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY, WITH THE LIMITED RESOURCES WE HAVE COMPARE TO OTHER THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. AS THE SAYING GOES, " IF LIFE GIVES YOU LEMON , MAKE LIME JUICE " INDEED WE ARE MAKING THE JUICE, ITS JUST THAT THE JUICE WENT TO THE WRONG HANDS. SO SIR ALPHA, LETS STOP POINTING FINGERS AND START TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO FOR "THE GAMBIA OUR HOME LAND" AND NOT WHAT THE GAMBIA CAN DO FOR US. YOU SEEM TO BE POINTING AT THOSE RULING, BUT REMEMBER WHEN YOU POINTING THE OTHER THREE FINGERS ARE POINTING BACK TO YOU AND ASKING; "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE GAMBIA TO MAKE INDEPENDENCE BETTER" I THINK THATS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, SO THAT OUR KIDS CAN BE PROUD. EVEN IN THE U.S. WE SEE JUSTICE BEING TAMPERED WITH. SO I THINK WE SHOULD HELP HER (the gambia) STAND ON HER FEET AND PRAY THAT THOSE CALLING THE SHOTS DON'T DERAIL, BUT LET'S NOT FORGET TO THANK GOD, FOR WE DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT, GHANA, LIBERIAL , SIERRA LEONE, NIGERIA, RUWANDA, SUDAN,SOMALIA AND SO ON, WENT THROUGH. WE ARE BUT TOO SMALL AND DIVERSE. FOR THE GAMBIA, My country the gambia, sweet land of liberty, Of thee i sing Land where my fathers died, Land of the pilgrims' pride, >From every mountainside let freedom ring its bolsey happy god bless u'all love u'all see ya ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:56:24 EST From: Bolsey225@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: New Member Message-ID: <a4e96e52.34ef073e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit HI FELLOWS WHAT IS THIS GAMBIA HIGH AND SAHS STUFF ALL ABOUT. I WENTTO BOTH SCHOOL SO I'VE GOT THE TASTE OF BOTH COOKIES. FELLOWS TRUST THERE IS NOWHERE LIKE SAHS. IT WAS SAD FOR ME THOSE 2 YRS ESPECIALLY INTER SCHOOLS. I USE TO SCREAM ALL 5 YRS ,. WHEN WE HAD SPORT MAN LIKE, KING SAUL, KING GEORGE, BODY, FATAJO,OIL, BARRY, DENISE GEORGE, DAMPHA,KEBBEH,SUCH, EVEN THOMBONG WAS THERE., U GUYS ARE GIVING ME FLASH BACK NOW, THOSE WHERE THE DAYS . PEPLE FROM GHS WOULD NEVER KNOW WHAT IT FELLS LIKE BEING A WINNER FOR 5 YEARS AND THEN JUST COOL DOWN FOR 2 YRS. BUT GUEST WHAT THOSE 2 YRS MADE ME APPRECIATE SAHS MORE. CUSE AS THE SAYING GOES, "U NEVER KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OFYOUR BUTT UNTIL IT IS SORE". SAHS RULE IN THOSE DAYS, I WAS ONE OF THE CHIEF CHEERLEADERS THEN, TRUST ME I WAS ON FOR 5 YRS. U GUYS ARE REALLY GIVING ME FLASHBACK. ...........at books or play we win our way ...... our motto recta sapare ... its here to guild...... ... so we march ......shoulder to shoulder ...... .............onward on ............. ....................... ......victory for the white and blue.. YO FELLOWS I HAVE TO GO , MY ROOMATE IS GETTING MAD , HE DOES NOT LIKE MY VOICE. ANYHOW I WILL BE SINGING WHILE I FLIP BURGERS. U PEOPLE HAVE PUT ME IN THAT MOOD. THANKS FOR PUTTING ME IN THIS MOOD. I NEED IT. PLEASE GHS PEOPLE, U CAN; SCARE US. WE WHERE THE BOMB. SORRY DEAL WITH IT. NO HARD FEELINGS. WE KICK YOUR BUT IN THE CLASS ROOM TO SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. CALM DOWN AND ACCEPT IT. FOR REAL. ANYHOW WE LOVED YOU, WITHOUT YOU MAYBE WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THAT GOOD. IT WAS ALL FUN THOUGH AND IN GOOD TASTE, NO HARD FEELINGS AGAIN. WHO EVER IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS. WE ARE SORRY BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF OUR CHEST. SORRY U HAVE TO SEE IT. I WOULD HAVE FELT THE SAME HAD I BEEN IN YOUR SHOE. VIVA SAHS... VIVA GHS.. VIVA EVERYONE (hope this makes u happy). KEEP SMILING, IT MAKES EVERYONE WONDER WHAT YOU ARE UP TOO ITS BOLSEY HAPPY LOVE U'ALL SEE YA HI KING SAUL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 23:28:14 +0200 From: "lamin jabang" <lamin@algonet.se> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: new member Message-ID: <01bd3f0f$9e6c5100$6f0564c3@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BD3F20.61F52100" Det h�r �r ett multipart-meddelande i MIME-format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BD3F20.61F52100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, My name is Mr Lamin Jabang jr living in Sweden ( Uppsaal ).The newest = member on the list.Right now am going through all the mails & quite = frankly a lot of them are turning me on.However i will take my time = before starting to Re/choosing my fevourite contributors.For now am = thanking you all at the other side of the atlatic for some fine = comments. Good bye...hey do ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:04:12 -0800 From: "Morro krubally" <jamba@cyberramp.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <199802220207.UAA01403@mailhost.cyberramp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alpha: Your input WHAT INDEPENDENCE has elicited quite a roar in the Bantaba. you should be commended for addressing socioeconomic issues and very important human issues. But Alpha, I can't help to think that this input was misplaced. The issues you raised are not exclusively those undressed in other parts of the globe. This are human issues central to the core functions of Amnesty International and an array of NGOs the world over. To make it an exclusive Gambian problem, is to a measure misguided and largely misplaced. If you elect to address this issues on Independence Day to shade light on the challenges that face us as a nation, I will join in chorus. But to say that by virtue of the existence of this problems in the Gambia that Gambians should be precluded from celebrating their independence day, is simply not acceptable to me. W/out delving into a detailed narrative of colonialism, and the consequent impacts of colonialism, it suffice to say that no one, neither you nor me would want to be deprived of the fundamental cardinal rule of self determination. Colonialism and the impact it had on the people of Africa was the trial and tribulation of Africa as a whole. Independence day is a day to celebrate. A day to reflect on the trials and tribulations of our nation. A day to remind our current leadership of the challenges ahead of us as a nation. A day to remind ourselves about our individual responsibilities to our nation. A day to revere self determination. A day to denounce injustice. A day to uphold the tenets of democracy inspite of our failures. A day to forge ahead with progress, how ever limited. A day to say I too can; I am capable of contributing to the welfares of my nation. We cannot lose sight of our failures, our problems as a people, but we must ramain on the path of progress. We must remain on path of optimism. The perils of socioeconomic problems should not prevent us from taking one day out of the year(Febuary18) to reflect on our past our present and the future. This is a day to be thankful to all that broke the bondage of colonialism. We are now a whole PEOPLE and that deserves celebration. We should be looked at as people with no less ability to rule them selves. ( even as chaotic as that may be) Incidentally, this is Black History month in America, A month to reflect on the suffrage of black people in the days of slavery. It's a month to denounce slavery and to reaffirm the freedom of black people. Black people of all people in America are still at the very bottom of the social strata. A large part of the slums of U.S. cities are inhabited by Black people; they are still ravaged by the hash and indiscriminate claws of poverty. The same issues you addressed are of equal concern in this slums of America. Are we to tell Black people by virtue of their poverty and accompanying suffrage, that their freedom from the bondage of slavery is not worthy of reflection and celebration? Thank you for stimulating thoughts. On a different note, is nice to say hello Morro krubally ---------- > From: Bolsey225@aol.com > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: What independence? > Date: Saturday, February 21, 1998 8:14 AM > > In a message dated 98-02-20 01:40:00 EST, you write: > > << rather not > tarnish the commendable artistry of Alpha's poem with cri >> > > > HI MR.ROBINSON, THANKS FOR A GOOD TEXT, BUT WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT. I DO NOT > KNOW YOU BUT YOU SOUND VERY EDUCATED AND YOUR WORK SEEM WELL PLAN. BUT WHO IS > THIS FOR, SURELY NOT GAMBIA . IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS PIECE WAS WRITTEN FOR SOME > OTHER NATION. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE VOICE OF SOME ONE CRYING FOR HELP FROM > SOME VERY POOR PART OF THE WORLD. YOU KNOW GAMBIA IS NOT THAT BAD. I READ IT > FOR A FEW GAMBIANS AROUND ME, THEY COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS IS FOR THE > GAMBIA NOR WAS IT WRITTEN BY A GAMBIAN. CAN YOU PLEASE LIGHTING US ON SOME > OF YOUR POINTS , I JUST CANNOT SEE WHAT YOU TRYING TO SAY. > THIS PIECE WAS REALLY NOT MEANT FOR US, MAYBE PART OF IT BUT NOT ALL. INFACT > PART OF IT CAN STAND FOR ALL THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. > FELLOW I THINK WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY, WITH THE LIMITED RESOURCES WE HAVE > COMPARE TO OTHER THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. > AS THE SAYING GOES, " IF LIFE GIVES YOU LEMON , MAKE LIME JUICE " INDEED WE > ARE MAKING THE JUICE, ITS JUST THAT THE JUICE WENT TO THE WRONG HANDS. > SO SIR ALPHA, LETS STOP POINTING FINGERS AND START TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN > DO FOR "THE GAMBIA OUR HOME LAND" AND NOT WHAT THE GAMBIA CAN DO FOR US. YOU > SEEM TO BE POINTING AT THOSE RULING, BUT REMEMBER WHEN YOU POINTING THE > OTHER THREE FINGERS ARE POINTING BACK TO YOU AND ASKING; > "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE GAMBIA TO MAKE INDEPENDENCE BETTER" > I THINK THATS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, SO THAT OUR KIDS CAN BE PROUD. > EVEN IN THE U.S. WE SEE JUSTICE BEING TAMPERED WITH. > > SO I THINK WE SHOULD HELP HER (the gambia) STAND ON HER FEET AND PRAY THAT > THOSE CALLING THE SHOTS DON'T DERAIL, BUT LET'S NOT FORGET TO THANK GOD, FOR > WE DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT, > GHANA, LIBERIAL , SIERRA LEONE, NIGERIA, RUWANDA, SUDAN,SOMALIA AND SO ON, > WENT THROUGH. WE ARE BUT TOO SMALL AND DIVERSE. > > > > FOR THE GAMBIA, > > My country the gambia, sweet land of liberty, > Of thee i sing Land where my fathers died, > Land of the pilgrims' pride, > >From every mountainside let freedom ring > > its bolsey happy > god bless u'all > love u'all > see ya ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:17:50 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Burkina '98/ Tunisia out !! Message-ID: <01bd3efd$a889e7e0$LocalHost@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, it was not easy because I sometimes had problem with breathing as I watched,but in the end ,the hosts,Burkina Faso have done it again! They have sent the Tunisians parking.It was one all at the end of the original time,and a goal-less draw at the end of the extended time.So the outcome was decided by penalty shootouts: Burkina 8 / Tunisia 7............. Exciting match !! So,in any moment from now Egypt will play Cote D'ivoire and a lot of fireworks are expected in that one also,but in the meantime........ keep up the good work down there and stay tuned! I can only hope i will not get late to work tomorrow! Regards Bassss! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 23:11:47 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Obituary: Sad news from home Message-ID: <9802220411.AA23136@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gambia-Lers, I would like to announce that one of Gambia's leading elders Alhagi Boubacarr Jallow of Bansang passed away on Friday. Many of you from the Bansang area may simply know him as Alhagi Boubacarr Bansang. For those of you who knew him, you will agree with me that he was among the most respected elders in the country, and a great inspiration to the Islamic community, not only in the Fulladu area but throughout the Gambian community at large. As one of the greatest "marabouts" of our time, he was a grand father and father to many of my relative Fulas who immigrated to the Gambia in the early years. One of his sons Mr. Hassan Jallow was the Attorney General and Minister of Justice during the later part of the Jawara era. Please, join me in praying for our beloved grand father. At this time, I would also like to extend my condolences to all his supporters, fans, friends and relatives who are either part of Gambial-L or in the Gambia and abroad. May His Soul Rest In Peace. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ********************************************************** mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 01:39:10 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <9802220639.AA22668@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This Gambia-Ler understands! Sir, thank you for echoing my exact sentiments below. These are sentimental feelings that I have defended and will continue to defend up to the highest level, when/if someone attempts to belittle (or take away from me) the only significant reasons for attaining (and celebrating) INDEPENDENCE. Talking about the culpability for Africa's political and economic underdevelopment is one thing, but to trample on the sovereignty of a nation is a completely different situation. Thank you very much for your well-thought response. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ******************************************************************* Morro Krubally wrote: > But Alpha, I can't help to think that this input was misplaced. > > [ ... ] > > Colonialism and the impact it had on the people of Africa was the trial and > tribulation of Africa as a whole. > Independence day is a day to celebrate. A day to reflect on the trials and > tribulations of our nation. A day to remind our current leadership of the > challenges ahead of us as a nation. A day to remind ourselves about our > individual responsibilities to our nation. A day to revere self > determination. A day to denounce injustice. A day to uphold the tenets of > democracy inspite of our failures. A day to forge ahead with progress, how > ever limited. A day to say I too can; I am capable of contributing to the > welfares of my nation. > Morro krubally > ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 01:54:21 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Burkina '98/ Tunisia out !! Message-ID: <9802220654.AA27604@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bass, you wrote: > > Well, it was not easy because I sometimes had problem with breathing as I > watched,but in the end ,the hosts,Burkina Faso have done it again! They have > sent the Tunisians parking.It was one all at the end of the original > time,and a goal-less draw at the end of the extended time.So the outcome was > decided by penalty shootouts: Burkina 8 / Tunisia 7............. Exciting > match !! Thank you for the update bro. This is what a host country should always do (no offense to our Scorpions). Now that they have made it to semi-final, let's see how the home crowd is going to motivate them to defeat the Egyptians. Oh, yes...Egypt couldn't defeat Ivory Coast except by penalty kicks, after a scoreless draw at the end of regulation time. So Burkina Fasso will play Egypt, and Congo will play the winner of South Africa Vs Morocco in tomorrow's only game. > I can only hope i will not get late to work tomorrow! Well, did you make it on time? :-)))). Awaiting your response...... Thanks again! Regards, Moe S. Jallow **************************************************************** mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 02:14:59 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: CAF first quater-final results Message-ID: <9802220715.AA28542@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pa-Mambuna, you wrote: > > The 21st African nations cup continues to be more and more > unpredictable. Cameroon's Indomitable Lions were shocked by Congo's lone > goal win last evening. The interesting thing about it is that Congo lost > two players during the game and yet upset 1986, 1990 worldcup heroes. Thank you for the update. I was so upset with Cameroon that I wished they hadn't made it to France'98. I mean, com'on, a world cup qualifier loosing to war-torn Congolese team with ONLY 9 players? This must have been the biggest upset yet! As you said, it is becoming "more and more unpredictable". Now let's see what unpredictabilty lies in today's most anticipated match. keep the comments coming! Regards, Moe S. Jallow ***************************************************************** mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of GAMBIA-L Digest 108 ************************
Momodou	Posted - 10 Sep 2021 : 17:35:44 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:45:39 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: New Member Message-ID: <01bd3e05$d4b17480$1d2585c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its good to have someone from Saints.These guys from Gambia High should stop trying to scare us here.Saints is the best in town! So,Welcome Mis.Jobe to Gambia-L Regards Bassss! -----Original Message----- From: Fatou Jobe <Fatou.Jobe@halliburton.com> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, February 20, 1998 7:13 PM Subject: RE: New Member >Hello you all, > I am also a new member and my name is Fatou Jobe. I am a Saint High >School Alumni but I did go to G.H.S. for a year (sixth form). Right now >I am studying Quantity Surveying at Nottingham Trent Univ. >Good bye >Fatou J > > -----Original Message----- > From: binta njie [SMTP:galzdemsugar@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, February 20, 1998 3:00 AM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: New Member > > Hi GAmbia-lers > My name is Binta Njie, the newest member of the list I believe. >I > graduated from Gambia High in 1984..I am now a graduate student >at TIT. > Thanks guys. > > I noticed that Mr Tombong Saidy's address has the extension >AOL..how > is this?. Is it safe to assume that Mr Saidy is dialing long >distance > to get online or what. > If that's the case, I hope it's not the at the expense of the > taxpayers' money. > > Please let me know because I should be going home shortly. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:47:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: leadership conference Message-ID: <199802201347.IAA26524@aspen.ffr.mtu.edu> Thanks for the for the good work you folks are doing down there. I hope all those in the area will attend. Malanding Jaiteh > From GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Mon Feb 16 14:35:24 1998 > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:32:13 PST > From: "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: leadership conference > X-Originating-IP: [207.205.218.131] > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > Greetings: > Here is an update on the conference. The past week has been very > promising and productive. A large segment of the D.C. community has > embraced the need for a conference and have begun contributing > significantly to its success. I hope this is reflected in the emerging > format. The principal speakers, facilitators etc. will be posted > shortly. Meanwhile, please send your input and inform others about the > conference. > LatJor > +++++++++++++ > LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE > > MEETING THE CHALLENGES OF THE 21ST CENTURY > > HOWARD UNIVERSITY > BLACKBURN CENTER > 2:30 P.M. - 6:00 P.M. > SATURDAY FEB. 21ST, 1998 > > You are cordially invited to participate in a Leadership Conference to > define the mission, goals, objectives, and plans for the establishment > of a Global Gambian Association. > > CONTEXT > > The establishment of such an association is based on the expressed > interest of the gambian community for the development of an integrated > and cohesive community that is self-reliant and productive in: > > (a) meeting the economic, socio-cultural and professional needs of > gambians overseas; > (b) making a sustained and valuable contribution to the development of > The Gambia, and > (c) meeting the challenges of the 21st century and their impact on The > Gambia and Gambians. > > Currently there exists numerous small organizations addressing diverse > specific needs of the Gambian community. The Global Association would > validate these organizations while seeking to address cross-cutting > needs. > > CONFERENCE AGENDA > > 1. Registration and Open Space/Open Market Dialogue > 2. Plenary - Challenges of the 21st century > 3. Concurrent sessions (set 1) > 4. Plenary discussion > 5. Concurrent sessions (set 2) > 6. Plenary session > 7. Closure and Next Steps (introduction of: > (a) Policy and Strategic Planning Group > (to compile information, analyze and finalize for action) > (b) Other groups to form to be based on the deliverables from the > Policy and Strategic Planning Group.) > > Concurrent sessions > > a) The Global Association: Mission, Goals, Guiding Principles, > Membership; > b) Human Resource Development and Management (Education, Training and > Professionalism, Health and Social Protection) > c) Knowledge Generation and Dissemination - Building the Learning > Community > d) Cultural Heritage and Sustainable Development > e) Economic and Financial Management > f) Managing an effective and sustainable Gambian association - > What works, What does not work, What principles to apply, > What structures, How to enhance partnership, commitment and > ownership. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: JOB: Post-Doctoral Position, Forest Dynamics Modeller Message-ID: <199802201426.JAA26532@aspen.ffr.mtu.edu> ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From owner-forgrad-l-outgoing@mtu.edu Fri Feb 20 07:50:38 1998 X-Received: MTU Resend v1.3 for forgrad-l X-Authentication-Warning: hemlock.ffr.mtu.edu: Host ffrpc18.ffr [141.219.149.218] claimed to be ffrpc18.ffr.mtu.edu X-Sender: ddreed@141.219.149.237 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:09:47 -0500 To: forgrad-l@mtu.edu, dabaril@mtu.edu From: "David D. Reed" <ddreed@mtu.edu> Subject: JOB: Post-Doctoral Position, Forest Dynamics Modeller Mime-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: lindner@s8 >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) >Approved-By: Marcus Lindner <lindner@PIK-POTSDAM.DE> >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:41:57 +0100 >Reply-To: Marcus Lindner <lindner@pik-potsdam.de> >Sender: OWNER-FOREST@LISTSERV.FUNET.FI >From: Marcus Lindner <lindner@pik-potsdam.de> >Subject: JOB: Post-Doctoral Position, Forest Dynamics Modeller >To: Multiple recipients of list FOREST <FOREST@LISTSERV.FUNET.FI> > >enclosed you'll find the ad for a PostDoc job at the Potsdam Institute of >Climate Impact Research (Potsdam, Germany) as published in a recent issue >of "Nature" and in the German newspaper "Die Zeit". I would be grateful if >you could pass this message on to people who might be interested in the job. > >Please respond directly to the addresses given below! > >Cheers, Marcus Lindner >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- > > > THE POTSDAM INSTITUTE FOR CLIMATE IMPACT RESEARCH (PIK) > >was founded in 1992 as a government-funded research institute and has a >staff of around 100. Its role is to investigate the causes and impacts of >global environmental change (such as climate change). The principal methods >are interdisciplinary model development and computer simulation. > > > Post-Doctoral Position, Forest Dynamics Modeller > > >The Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research is looking for a >scientist to join the group "Global Change Impacts on European Forests" >(CHIEF) and to contribute to the development, parameterization, testing and >regional-scale application of a model of forest dynamics. The model treats >both structural and functional aspects of forest ecosystems and is being >developed by an interdisciplinary team. > >The successful candidate will have a Ph.D. in Ecology, Environmental >Science, or a related field, and will be experienced with mathematical and >computer modelling of forest ecosystems, preferably gap models and/or >physiologically-based models. > >The position is open for a two-year period, starting in early 1998, and may >be prolonged depending on the availability of funding. Further information >on the project can be obtained from the PIK web site >(http://www.pik-potsdam.de/cp/chief), and from Dr. Harald Bugmann >(bugmann@pik-potsdam.de, Phone: +49-331-2781 144, Fax: +49-331-2781 204) or >Prof. Wolfgang Cramer (cramer@pik-potsdam.de, Phone: +49-331-288 2521, Fax: >49-331-288 2600). > >To apply, send a letter with a statement of research interests, a CV, >copies of relevant publications, and the names (and email addresses) of >three referees to Prof. Dr. H.J. Schellnhuber, Director, Potsdam Institute >for Climate Impact Research, P.O. Box 601203, D-14412 Potsdam, Germany. > >Screening starts immediately, and applications are considered until the >position is filled. > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dipl. Forstw. Marcus Lindner >Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research >Telegrafenberg, P.O. Box 601203 >14412 Potsdam, Germany > >Tel.: +49-331-2781 147 >Fax : +49-331-2781 204 >e-mail: lindner@pik-potsdam.de >http://www.pik-potsdam.de/ >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:30:49 GMT0BST From: Musa Sise <sis0909r@uel.ac.uk> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>, gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa Message-ID: <34E2DC7137A@bkstud1.uel.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mailing Manager, My name is Musa Sise and i would like to subscribe on behalf Dr. B.N Touray. His e-mail address is bntouray@compuserve.com Yours Big Moses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:41:03 -0500 From: Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: New Member Message-ID: <34ED95FD.1534@emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Bass, I agree with you whole heartedly on this GHS issue. I do not think they can scare us off!!! Welcome Fatou Jobe and Binta Njie. We look forward to your contributions. Keep up the good work, and monitor those GHS guys closely. Have a nice day. King Bassirou Dodou Drammeh wrote: > > Its good to have someone from Saints.These guys from Gambia High should stop > trying to scare us here.Saints is the best in town! > > So,Welcome Mis.Jobe to Gambia-L > > Regards Bassss! > -----Original Message----- > From: Fatou Jobe <Fatou.Jobe@halliburton.com> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Date: Friday, February 20, 1998 7:13 PM > Subject: RE: New Member > > >Hello you all, > > I am also a new member and my name is Fatou Jobe. I am a Saint High > >School Alumni but I did go to G.H.S. for a year (sixth form). Right now > >I am studying Quantity Surveying at Nottingham Trent Univ. > >Good bye > >Fatou J > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: binta njie [SMTP:galzdemsugar@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 20, 1998 3:00 AM > > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > > Subject: New Member > > > > Hi GAmbia-lers > > My name is Binta Njie, the newest member of the list I believe. > >I > > graduated from Gambia High in 1984..I am now a graduate student > >at TIT. > > Thanks guys. > > > > I noticed that Mr Tombong Saidy's address has the extension > >AOL..how > > is this?. Is it safe to assume that Mr Saidy is dialing long > >distance > > to get online or what. > > If that's the case, I hope it's not the at the expense of the > > taxpayers' money. > > > > Please let me know because I should be going home shortly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:31:15 -0500 From: Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@prc.com> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: FW: The Thursday Funnies Message-ID: <C69DB1B2BFFBCF11B5D300000000000152DD8B@Cry1.prc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I got a kick out of this one and thought you might, too. Soffie > ---------- > From: prc@cleveland.dfas.mil[SMTP:prc@cleveland.dfas.mil] > > > MicroSoft vs. General Motors > At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the > > computer industry with the auto industry and stated "If GM had kept up > > with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be > driving > twenty-five dollar cars that got 1000 mi/gal." > > Recently General Motors addressed this comment by releasing the > statement "Yes, but would you want your car to crash twice a day?" > > 1. Every time they repainted the lines on the road you would have to > buy > a new car. > > 2. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason, and > you > would just accept this, restart and drive on. > > 3. Occasionally, executing a maneuver would cause your car to stop and > > fail and you would have to re-install the engine. For some strange > reason, you would accept this too. > > 4. You could only have one person in the car at a time, unless you > bought "Car95" or "CarNT". But, then you would have to buy more seats. > > 5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was > reliable, > five times as fast, twice as easy to drive, but would only run on five > > percent of the roads. > > 6. The Macintosh car owners would get expensive Microsoft upgrades to > their cars, which would make their cars run much slower. > > 7. The oil, gas and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a > single "general car default" warning light. > > 8. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt. > > 9. The airbag system would say "are you sure?" before going off. > > 10. If you were involved in a crash, you would have no idea what > happened. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:01:57 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: New Member Message-ID: <9802201501.AA46090@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bass and Solomon, Are you two attempting to collaborate? I guess you have noticed that I always welcome the GHS folks and not the SAINTS folks. We are not trying to scare you off but simply reminding you SAINTS folks that GHS is the best there was, the best there is, and the best there will ever be. Remember, we did manage to balance education with sports, unlike you folks:-))). Is this a fact that you can refute? (laugh) Have a good morning! Regards, Moe S. Jallow > > Hey Bass, > > I agree with you whole heartedly on this GHS issue. I do not think they > can scare us off!!! > > Welcome Fatou Jobe and Binta Njie. We look forward to your > contributions. > > Keep up the good work, and monitor those GHS guys closely. > > Have a nice day. > King > > > Bassirou Dodou Drammeh wrote: > > > > Its good to have someone from Saints.These guys from Gambia High should stop > > trying to scare us here.Saints is the best in town! > > > > So,Welcome Mis.Jobe to Gambia-L > > > > Regards Bassss! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:16:29 -0500 From: globexinc@erols.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: dekat@itis.com Subject: removal of globexinc from list Message-ID: <34ED9E4D.5CA@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List managers Thank you all for the excellent job you have done Please UNSUBSCRIBE -- globexinc@erols.com --------------------------------------- I wish to get my mail only at home hghanim@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:18:35 -0000 From: Fatou Jobe <Fatou.Jobe@halliburton.com> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: New Member Message-ID: <43AEA19B4857D111B57600805F193CE26C56D1@LONEXCH002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's a Laugh -----Original Message----- From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu [SMTP:mjallow@st6000.sct.edu] Sent: Friday, February 20, 1998 3:02 PM To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List Subject: Re: New Member Bass and Solomon, Are you two attempting to collaborate? I guess you have noticed that I always welcome the GHS folks and not the SAINTS folks. We are not trying to scare you off but simply reminding you SAINTS folks that GHS is the best there was, the best there is, and the best there will ever be. Remember, we did manage to balance education with sports, unlike you folks:-))). Is this a fact that you can refute? (laugh) Have a good morning! Regards, Moe S. Jallow > > Hey Bass, > > I agree with you whole heartedly on this GHS issue. I do not think they > can scare us off!!! > > Welcome Fatou Jobe and Binta Njie. We look forward to your > contributions. > > Keep up the good work, and monitor those GHS guys closely. > > Have a nice day. > King > > > Bassirou Dodou Drammeh wrote: > > > > Its good to have someone from Saints.These guys from Gambia High should stop > > trying to scare us here.Saints is the best in town! > > > > So,Welcome Mis.Jobe to Gambia-L > > > > Regards Bassss! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:24:01 -0500 (EST) From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> To: Gambia <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: What independence? (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9802201055.A27079-0100000@mach1.wlu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alpha, that was a beautiful written, even though sad, poem of truth. It is the truth of our current status, yes, but what does that have to do with our celebration of independence? Isn't our celebration one of freedom, if you will, from the British? I mean, I'm sure they still control us indirectly but isn't that more of the fault of our leaders? I'm sure if we had better leaders, we wouldn't be in this situation. Actually, what you're saying is like saying that the African-Americans shouldn't celebrate or be joyous about the end of slavery, because they're still "mentally enslaved" (as the current argument goes). I mean, yes, mental slavery is the struggle now but shouldn't they celebrate the victory of yesterday (physical slavery)? I would like to think that it is the celebration or acknowledgement of our past and present victories that gives us the strength to battle the hurdles ahead. Anyway, I haven't read the rest of my mail yet, but I hope that not too many people feel the same way you do. I mean, I hope they see that, yes, what you describe is our sad status which requires serious thinking and actios, BUT, that our current status has nothing to do with our celebration of a past victory. Ancha. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:33:11 + 0100 MET From: Alpha Robinson <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de> To: GAMBIA-L: , The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> ; Subject: What independence? Some reflections on independence day What Independence When after 33 years We are still battling with poverty Material poverty Spiritual poverty Poverty of will What Independence When after 33 years we own not our minds Our souls and our bodies What independence When the birth of a child Becomes a source of worry When the death of a family member Triggers cold trickles of rejoice When we rejoice instead of crying And cry instead of rejoicing What independence When after 33 years Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival When men and women no longer own their conscience When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile And intelligence amounts to opportunism When justice is murdered in cold blood While we sing dance and rejoice The same dances The same parades What independence When honesty truthfulness and integrity Become the enemy of a people When parents send their children to steal rape and kill What independence When young people have to leave their motherland Their beloved one Uprooted and already defeated In search of life When we fail to provide opportunities for our children To learn grow and live What independence When the cracks on farmers feet The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin Keep haunting us after 33 years When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets When we live on the crumbs Leftover by other nations When leaders still play God with the innocent When keeping our people ignorant Seems to be our greatest achievement What independence When egoism becomes self-righteous When the rich and the poor of today Stand at opposite end of the widening valley While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own Meanders into the common future of destitution What independence When clean potable water The most basic requirement of life Is a luxury to many When the best curable diseases Claim their daily quota on our children Well before they are born When parents can no longer be proud of their children And children can no longer be proud of their parents For being just and honest Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption What independence are we celebrating? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:36:11 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: More things to make you go hmm... (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980220103536.15094A-100000@vampire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think some of these are new.... Isn't Disney World a people trap operated by a mouse? Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it? Since light travels faster than sound, isn't that why some people appear bright until you hear them speak? If it's zero degrees outside today and it's supposed to be twice as cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be? Why do you press harder on a remote-control when you know the battery is dead? Since Americans throw rice at weddings, do Asians throw hamburgers? Why are they called buildings, when they're already finished? Shouldn't they be called builts? Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together? Why does sour cream have an expiration date? Why do banks charge you a "non-sufficient funds fee" on money they already know you don't have? Why is the alphabet in that order? If the universe is everything, and scientists say that the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into? If you got into a taxi and the driver started driving backward, would the taxi driver end up owing you money? What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it, do the other trees make fun of it? Why is a carrot more orange than an orange? When two airplanes almost collide why do they call it a near miss?? It sounds like a near hit to me!! Do fish get cramps after eating? Why are there 5 syllables in the word "monosyllabic"? Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Why do scientists call it research when looking for something new? If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? When I erase a word with a pencil, where does it go? Why is it, when a door is open it's ajar, but when a jar is open, it's not a door? Tell a man that there are 400 billion stars and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint and he has to touch it. How come Superman could stop bullets with his chest, but always ducked when someone threw a gun at him? If "con" is the opposite of "pro," then what is the opposite of progress? Why is lemon juice mostly artificial ingredients but dishwashing liquid contains real lemons? How much deeper would the ocean be if sponges didn't grow in it? Why buy a product that it takes 2000 flushes to get rid of? Why do we wait until a pig is dead to "cure" it? Why do we wash bath towels? Aren't we clean when we use them? Why do we put suits in a garment bag and put garments in a suitcase? Why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle? Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"? What do little birdies see when they get knocked unconscious? Why doesn't Tarzan have a beard? If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes? Should you trust a stockbroker who's married to a travel agent? Is boneless chicken considered to be an invertebrate? Do married people live longer than single people or does it just SEEM longer? I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. If all those psychics know the winning lottery numbers, why are they all still working? Sooner or later, doesn't EVERYONE stop smoking? Isn't the best way to save face to keep the lower part shut? War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:36:44 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Top Ten Mysteries of Life.... (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980220103618.15094B-100000@vampire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII THE TOP TEN MYSTERIES OF LIFE 1. If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them? 2. If a book about failure doesn't sell, is it a success? 3. Why do they sterilize needles for lethal injections? 4. If a dwarf escapes from prison, is he still considered at large? 5. Why is the word abbreviation so long? 6. If you shoot a mime, should you use a silencer? 7. Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny? 8. When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? 9. What was the best thing before sliced bread? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:53:52 -0500 (EST) From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> To: Gambia <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: More things to make you go hmm... (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9802201050.A27079-0100000@mach1.wlu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks Anna!! Those were really good!!! I'm still laughing my head off!! Ancha. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:36:11 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> To: GAMBIA-L: , The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> ; Subject: More things to make you go hmm... (fwd) I think some of these are new.... Isn't Disney World a people trap operated by a mouse? Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it? Since light travels faster than sound, isn't that why some people appear bright until you hear them speak? If it's zero degrees outside today and it's supposed to be twice as cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be? Why do you press harder on a remote-control when you know the battery is dead? Since Americans throw rice at weddings, do Asians throw hamburgers? Why are they called buildings, when they're already finished? Shouldn't they be called builts? Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together? Why does sour cream have an expiration date? Why do banks charge you a "non-sufficient funds fee" on money they already know you don't have? Why is the alphabet in that order? If the universe is everything, and scientists say that the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into? If you got into a taxi and the driver started driving backward, would the taxi driver end up owing you money? What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it, do the other trees make fun of it? Why is a carrot more orange than an orange? When two airplanes almost collide why do they call it a near miss?? It sounds like a near hit to me!! Do fish get cramps after eating? Why are there 5 syllables in the word "monosyllabic"? Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Why do scientists call it research when looking for something new? If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? When I erase a word with a pencil, where does it go? Why is it, when a door is open it's ajar, but when a jar is open, it's not a door? Tell a man that there are 400 billion stars and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint and he has to touch it. How come Superman could stop bullets with his chest, but always ducked when someone threw a gun at him? If "con" is the opposite of "pro," then what is the opposite of progress? Why is lemon juice mostly artificial ingredients but dishwashing liquid contains real lemons? How much deeper would the ocean be if sponges didn't grow in it? Why buy a product that it takes 2000 flushes to get rid of? Why do we wait until a pig is dead to "cure" it? Why do we wash bath towels? Aren't we clean when we use them? Why do we put suits in a garment bag and put garments in a suitcase? Why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle? Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"? What do little birdies see when they get knocked unconscious? Why doesn't Tarzan have a beard? If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes? Should you trust a stockbroker who's married to a travel agent? Is boneless chicken considered to be an invertebrate? Do married people live longer than single people or does it just SEEM longer? I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. If all those psychics know the winning lottery numbers, why are they all still working? Sooner or later, doesn't EVERYONE stop smoking? Isn't the best way to save face to keep the lower part shut? War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:25:56 -0600 From: Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: What independence? Message-ID: <81F3CC6EBB6FD011917800805FC17836C82AD3@panthers.rbvdnr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Thank you Momodou Camara. As part of the diaspora, I have always felt very proud whenever one of the African countries achieved it's political independence from colonial rule. However, even here in America where physical slavery has been removed for the most part, the mental, emotional, etc... bondage is still prevalent. We have made great strides throughout the world but we still have a ways to go! I do believe that communication between Africans on the continent and in the diaspora can bring about a unity that will have positive global implications for the future. Peace! Keretha JAH bless the tie that binds! > ---------- > From: Momodou Camara[SMTP:nijii@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 20, 1998 2:16 AM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Re: What independence? > > I am sure Alpha is intelligent enough to argue about his poem but he > did > not mentioned anywhere that he preferred to be still living under > british rule. > > We are free to either accept that his statements are facts and we try > in > our daily lives as Gambians to do something to improve them or we > pretend that they do not exist. > > Momodou Camara > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:38:51 -0500 From: Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: New Member Message-ID: <34EDB156.23D2@emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Moe, Thats a good one !!! But I do not agree on GHS to be more balance in sports and education than Saints was or is now. Show me some data and facts, please. Warning !!! "Do not attempt to get the Saints come marching in, it won't look good." (Ha,ha,ha,ha) Got you back, my friend!!! Have a good day. Peace Modou Jallow wrote: > > Bass and Solomon, > > Are you two attempting to collaborate? > I guess you have noticed that I always welcome the > GHS folks and not the SAINTS folks. > We are not trying to scare you off but simply reminding > you SAINTS folks that GHS is the best there was, > the best there is, and the best there will ever be. > Remember, we did manage to balance > education with sports, unlike you folks:-))). > > Is this a fact that you can refute? (laugh) > > Have a good morning! > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > > > > > Hey Bass, > > > > I agree with you whole heartedly on this GHS issue. I do not think they > > can scare us off!!! > > > > Welcome Fatou Jobe and Binta Njie. We look forward to your > > contributions. > > > > Keep up the good work, and monitor those GHS guys closely. > > > > Have a nice day. > > King > > > > > > Bassirou Dodou Drammeh wrote: > > > > > > Its good to have someone from Saints.These guys from Gambia High should stop > > > trying to scare us here.Saints is the best in town! > > > > > > So,Welcome Mis.Jobe to Gambia-L > > > > > > Regards Bassss! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:52:37 -0500 From: Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: More things to make you go hmm... (fwd) Message-ID: <34EDB4D5.5465@emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Anna, Definately, reading all of this makes me go humm, humm, humm,.....hummm! That was good. Keep up the good work and balance. Peace King Solomon Anna Secka wrote: > > I think some of these are new.... > Isn't Disney World a people trap operated by a mouse? > Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it? > Since light travels faster than sound, isn't that why some people appear > bright until you hear them speak? > If it's zero degrees outside today and it's supposed to be twice as cold > tomorrow, how cold is it going to be? > Why do you press harder on a remote-control when you know the battery > is dead? > Since Americans throw rice at weddings, do Asians throw hamburgers? > Why are they called buildings, when they're already finished? Shouldn't > they be called builts? > Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together? > Why does sour cream have an expiration date? > Why do banks charge you a "non-sufficient funds fee" on money they > already know you don't have? > Why is the alphabet in that order? > If the universe is everything, and scientists say that the universe is > expanding, what is it expanding into? > If you got into a taxi and the driver started driving backward, would > the taxi driver end up owing you money? > What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? > If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it, do the > other trees make fun of it? > Why is a carrot more orange than an orange? > When two airplanes almost collide why do they call it a near miss?? It > sounds like a near hit to me!! > Do fish get cramps after eating? > Why are there 5 syllables in the word "monosyllabic"? > Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge > of everything outdoors? > Why do scientists call it research when looking for something new? > If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? > When I erase a word with a pencil, where does it go? > Why is it, when a door is open it's ajar, but when a jar is open, it's > not a door? > Tell a man that there are 400 billion stars and he'll believe you. Tell him > a > bench has wet paint and he has to touch it. > How come Superman could stop bullets with his chest, but always ducked > when someone threw a gun at him? > If "con" is the opposite of "pro," then what is the opposite of > progress? > Why is lemon juice mostly artificial ingredients but dishwashing liquid > contains real lemons? > How much deeper would the ocean be if sponges didn't grow in it? > Why buy a product that it takes 2000 flushes to get rid of? > Why do we wait until a pig is dead to "cure" it? > Why do we wash bath towels? Aren't we clean when we use them? > Why do we put suits in a garment bag and put garments in a suitcase? > Why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle? > Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"? > What do little birdies see when they get knocked unconscious? > Why doesn't Tarzan have a beard? > If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and > apes? > Should you trust a stockbroker who's married to a travel agent? > Is boneless chicken considered to be an invertebrate? > Do married people live longer than single people or does it just SEEM > longer? > I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help > section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. > If all those psychics know the winning lottery numbers, why are they all > still working? > Sooner or later, doesn't EVERYONE stop smoking? > Isn't the best way to save face to keep the lower part shut? > War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:11:29 GMT From: SADAMS <SADAMS@geog.gla.ac.uk> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Top Ten Mysteries of Life.... (fwd) Message-ID: <34EF8EC3952@geog.gla.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:36:44 -0500 (EST) > Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Top Ten Mysteries of Life.... (fwd) > > THE TOP TEN > MYSTERIES OF LIFE Where is the TENTH MYSTERIES OF LIFE?????? > > 1. If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them? > 2. If a book about failure doesn't sell, is it a success? > 3. Why do they sterilize needles for lethal injections? > 4. If a dwarf escapes from prison, is he still considered at large? > 5. Why is the word abbreviation so long? > 6. If you shoot a mime, should you use a silencer? > 7. Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny? > 8. When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? > 9. What was the best thing before sliced bread? > > > > > > > > Stanley Sebja ADAMS Tel: Direct 0141-330-4780 Cartographer, E-mail: sadams@geog.gla.ac.uk CartoGraphics Unit, Fax: 0141-330-4894 Dept. of Geography & Topographic Science, University of Glasgow. Member of the GLASGOW, G12 8QQ, SOCIETY OF CARTOGRAPHERS Scotland, U.K. & Association of Geographical Information Web Site: http://www.geog.gla.ac.uk/~sadams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:48:23 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: [Fwd: FW: New operating system developed by an Indian!!!!] (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980220134724.15542E-110000@vampire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=------------956319996961308456ECFA77 Content-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980220134724.15542F@vampire> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --------------956319996961308456ECFA77 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980220134724.15542G@vampire> Folks, I find this very interesting! Read on. --------- Anna Secka secka@cse.bridgeport.edu asecka@softcrafters.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:33:21 -0500 From: Olusola Aluko <olusola@cse.bridgeport.edu> To: "'RICHARD_BUFFONE@PRODIGY.NET'" <RICHARD_BUFFONE@PRODIGY.NET>, abrar <abrar@cse.bridgeport.edu>, Ademayo Olumide <olumide@cse.bridgeport.edu>, anna secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu>, "bernard wana..." <bernard@cse.bridgeport.edu>, bola ajiboye <ajiboye@cse.bridgeport.edu>, cheikh fall <cheikh@cse.bridgeport.edu>, dare owolabi <biggie@iwaynet.net> Subject: [Fwd: FW: New operating system developed by an Indian!!!!] --------------956319996961308456ECFA77 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980220134724.15542H@vampire> Content-Description: Return-Path: <Ganesh.Nayak@gecapital.com> Received: from ns2.ge.com by cse.bridgeport.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23069; Fri, 20 Feb 98 13:08:38 EST Received: from thomas.ge.com (thomas.ge.com [3.47.28.21]) by ns2.ge.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27848 for <olusola@cse.bridgeport.edu>; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from sta02xbmailge.gemail.ge.com ([3.159.8.21]) by thomas.ge.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13646 for <olusola@cse.bridgeport.edu>; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by STA02XBMAILGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <FCL2FDSF>; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:09:44 -0500 Message-Id: <5C6EDD5045E5D011882300805FBE6C130146A910@STA01XBMAILGE> From: "Nayak, Ganesh (CAP, ECG)" <Ganesh.Nayak@gecapital.com> To: Rakesh <Rakesh_Balakrishnan@mortgage.ge.com>, Ravi Acharya <ravia@sosuser.com>, abhijeet mhatare <Abhijeet_Mhatre@japan.ml.com>, anurag <anurag_uppal@exposoft.COM>, Asad Khan <asadulla_khan@hotmail.com>, Dhannappa <Dhanaraj.Thekicayil@gecapital.com>, Mattigunta Narayana <manaraya@cisco.com>, Olusola <olusola@cse.bridgeport.edu>, Richard_buffone@prodigy.net, Sameer Ranade <Sameer.Ranade@gecapital.com>, "'Shailendra Pendse (E-mail)'" <shailendra_pendse@merck.com>, Shantanu Wadodkar <shantanuw@pune.tcs.co.in>, Subhan <subhan_dandekar@hotmail.com>, Utpal <ushah@netmail3.mnet.uswest.com>, Varadarajan <vraghava@GE-Harris.COM> Subject: FW: New operating system developed by an Indian!!!! Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:09:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > -----Original Message----- > From: Paranjpe, Mandar (CAP, RFS) > Sent: Friday, February 20, 1998 11:43 AM > To: Bala Ramesh; Ganesh Nayak; Gupta Ruchin; Kanchan Mukesh; Mukherjee > Subrata; Reddy Ravindra; S Venkateswaran; Selvan Palani; Shivkumar Saluja; > Srinivasan Rajagopal > Subject: FW: New operating system developed by an Indian!!!! > > Hello Friends, > > Here is some news about indian achievement. Aren't we proud > citizens... > _______________________________________________________________ > > Ramlal Bhagat, a XII std. student from Haryana, > has developed a 32-bit operating system > demonstrated to be far superior to any of the > desktop operating systems in the market today. > > The program has been named "O-Yes".O-Yes provides > operating system services on any pentium-based > personal computer (PC) and does not require MS-DOS > as a base operating system. The operating system's > capabilities were demonstrated in a student > convention at the Indian Institute of Technology > (IIT), NewDelhi. HCL, Ltd. conducted benchmarks on the system and > published results which are partly reported here: > O-Yes is 34% faster than Microsoft's Windows 95 on > similar hardware. > > It is 29% faster than IBM's OS/2. > O-Yes loads 54% quicker than Windows 95 orOS/2. > O-Yes has a customizable, user-friendlygraphaphical User > Interface (GUI) in which every program can beaccessed with a > maximum of two button clicks. > The operating system provides plug n play capability with numerous > hardware devices. It has a superior memory management function. > The operating system is compatible with Windows 95 andWindows > NT 4.0. > > HCL, Ltd. has offered an unknown amount to Ramlal > Bhagat for purchasing the rights to the software. > Ramlal Bhagat, described as "quiet and > philosophical" by his peers, was not available for > comment. Suresh Reddy, spokesman for HCL Ltd., > said "this is the operating system that the world > has been waiting for". On HCL's move to purchase > the rights to the software, he said "We are here > to ensure that Mr. Ramlal gets fair recognition > and compensation for his innovation. HCL Ltd. can provide him a firm > launchpad > to market the software globally". > > Is this the beginning of the end of the BillGates' monopoly ? Lets > see... > > send this to as many of your friends and relatives as possible > so that when the product hits the market it will be appreciated by > every one give a great hand to the great indian family of talents. > --------------956319996961308456ECFA77-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:55:25 -0500 From: "Mambuna Bojang" <mbojang@mail.transy.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: African Nations Cup -Update Message-ID: <34EDD19C.9902FBF@mail.transy.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Moe; I like your comments. The Nations cup has indeed become more and more unpredictable. I was dumb founded to read that Ghana, one of my favorites, is out. Congo's coach has said it best - "its anyone's guess now". However, if Morroco wins South Africa they will win it all, but if South Africa wins then watch for Tunisia to win it all. If South Africa can manouver to get the ball to Ajax offensive weapon, Benni, he will be a major threat to the Morrocan defense. Egypt Vs Ivory Coast is going to be a war. I would love to hear Ivory Coast winning, but I can't predict. I played soccer last weekend with an Ivorian and an Egyptian. It was interesting that the Ivorian was on my side and we lost the Egyptian's side by a lone goal. Jokingly, the Egyptian said to the Ivorian that "if Ivory Coast meet with Egypt in the quater finals, the score will be lone goal for Egypt". A little superstitious here, but I will have to call both of them as soon as I get the results. Cameroon is obviously missing Miller's killer and powerful offensive tactics; they are in a process of rebuilding the team and do not be suprised to see them in the finals. Pa-Mambuna, the Bluegrass state Modou Jallow wrote: > Soccer fans, > > I am really getting into this ANC competition stuff. > > My comments are enclosed in braces [[ .... ]] > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > > ********************************************************************* > > OUAGADOUGOU, Feb 19 (AFP) - The African Nations Cup is wide open > as the competition enters the quarter-final stages with four World > Cup finalists -- Cameroon, Morocco, South African and Tunisia -- in > contention. > > [[ Cameroon is not what it used to be when Miller was the > offense but they still have a little of that touch of > the golden years (WC '86 & '90). However, they are my > less favorite to win the cup, of the four above. ]] > > Only Nigeria, Africa's fifth entrant for France '98, are missing > after being suspended by the African Confederation (CAF) for not > competing in the last finals in South Africa. > Congo DR coach Pierre Kalala put it succinctly. > "At this stage of the competition, all the teams have earned > their places," he said. "There are no easy matches in the > quarter-finals and it's anybody's guess who will win." > Congo DR, the surprise package of the tournament along with > hosts Burkina Faso, play the opening quarter-final against Cameroon > on Friday (1600 GMT) in Burkina Faso's second city Bobo-Dioulasso, > in the south west of the country. > > [[ Congo has really been the surprise team of the tournament. Now > let's see if they can play with Cameroon the way they did with > other teams. Burkina Faso, on the other hand, are playing host; > their qualification didn't surprise me a bit. ]] > > [...] > > The last quarter-final, perhaps the most eagerly-awaited, is the > South Africa v Morocco clash on Sunday (1600 GMT) in Ouagadougou's > Municipal stadium. > South Africa, despite just two days to prepare for this event > after most of their players joined the squad late from Europe, had a > resounding 4-1 win over Namibia in their last group match. > > [[ This could have been the final match! SA's defense > will have a lot of work to do overcoming the > Moroccan offense. If SA can hold to the end, they may win > this match by upset. However, I still favor the Moroccans > by a margin of 3:1. ]] > > Ajax striker Benni McCarthy scored all four goals in that match > to blow the fresh air of success through the squad after > disappointing opening draws against Angola and Ivory Coast. > > [[ One more reason why Ajax has the best talented young > players in Europe, in my opinion. The recruiters go out > and find young players for less money, who are then > nortured to fulfill the desirable calibre of soccer. ]] > ----------------------- > Source: > Agence France-Presse (AFP) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:49:53 -0400 (AST) From: "Inqs." <nfaal@is2.dal.ca> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: New Member Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.980220144916.248620A-100000@is2.dal.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Tell Them Moe!! On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Modou Jallow wrote: > Bass and Solomon, > > Are you two attempting to collaborate? > I guess you have noticed that I always welcome the > GHS folks and not the SAINTS folks. > We are not trying to scare you off but simply reminding > you SAINTS folks that GHS is the best there was, > the best there is, and the best there will ever be. > Remember, we did manage to balance > education with sports, unlike you folks:-))). > > Is this a fact that you can refute? (laugh) > > Have a good morning! > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > > > @$@$@$@$@$@$ @%@% @%@%@%@%@%@% @%@% @%@% @%@% @%@% @%@% @%@%@%@% @%@% @%@% @%@% @%@%@%@% @$@$@$@$@$@$ @%@% @%@% @%@% @%@% ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:30:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: MMN: CAIR-NET: "Foreign Terrorists in America"/Honda/Nashville (10K) (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980220142944.11313C-100000@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:29:18 -0500 (EST) From: Nael Barakat <barakat@immrc.eng.mcmaster.ca> To: McMaster U Muslim Student Association <mmn@msa.inforamp.net> Subject: MMN: CAIR-NET: "Foreign Terrorists in America"/Honda/Nashville (10K) (fwd) ========================================================================= Nael Barakat Hamilton, Ontario Ph. D. Student Canada L8S 4L7 McMaster University Voice :(905) 525-9140, Dept. of Mechanical Eng. x: 22066 IMMRC, JHE - 313 Barakat @ immrc.mcmaster.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * >>> ! To Iterate is Human .. To Automate is Divine ! <<< * ========================================================================= ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:08:01 -0600 (CST) From: CAIR <cair1@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: CAIR-NET@ari.ari.net To: cair-net@ari.net Subject: CAIR-NET: "Foreign Terrorists in America"/Honda/Nashville (10K) In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful CAIR Action Alert Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) Alert #162 1050 17th St., N.W., Suite 490 Washington, D.C., 20036 Tel: 202-659-CAIR (2247) Fax: 202-659-2254 E-Mail: cair1@ix.netcom.com URL: http://www.cair-net.org SENATE HEARING ON "FOREIGN TERRORISTS IN AMERICA" (WASHINGTON, DC - 2/11/98) On February 24, the Senate Subcommittee on Technology, Terrorism and Government Information will hold a hearing on "Foreign Terrorists in America: Five Years After the World Trade Center Bombing." Subcommittee members are scheduled to hear from federal law enforcement officials as well as from "representatives of the private sector." Because past hearings of this type have featured Muslim bashers like Steven Emerson, CAIR contacted the subcommittee to express American Muslim concerns about the need for an accurate and balanced presentation. While not revealing the names of invited speakers, subcommittee staff offered assurances that they sought out those, including Muslims, who would offer a factual presentation. One subcommittee representative said he was trying to avoid a hearing that indicates "Islam equals terrorism and threat." Despite these assurances, CAIR is concerned that the American Muslim community be accurately and objectively portrayed. "In the past, these types of hearings have been used as vehicles to bash Islam and Muslims. We hope that will not happen in this hearing," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad. Awad added that previous hearings have resulted in laws and policies such as the use of secret evidence to deport aliens, exclusion of aliens based on mere membership in disfavored groups, wiretapping without evidence of criminal activity, and airline passenger "profiling." IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUESTED: (As always, be FIRM, but POLITE. Hostile responses can and WILL be used against the Muslim community.) The hearing will take place February 24, at 10 a.m. in the Dirksen Senate Office Building Room 226. Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona is the subcommittee chairman. Other members include Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), Sen. Fred Thompson (R-TN), Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA), Sen. Joseph Biden, Jr. (D-DE), and Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL). 1) Those who reside in the states of subcommittee members should contact their elected representatives directly by phone (call the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121), fax or e-mail (http://www.senate.gov/~judiciary/terrtest.htm). Ask for the person in the senator's office who is dealing with this hearing. 2) Everyone should call, fax or e-mail the subcommittee chairman to request a factual, balanced and objective hearing: Senator Jon Kyl, Chairman, U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology, and Government Information, Room SH-325, Hart Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20510 TEL: (202) 224-6791 FAX (202) 228-0542 E-MAIL: info@kyl.senate.gov Sen. Kyl's Arizona office: 2200 E. Camelback Rd., Suite 120, Phoenix, AZ, 85016. TEL: (602) 840-1891 3) Attend the hearing if you live in the Washington, D.C., area. ----- GOOD NEWS - HONDA ALLOWS JUMAH PRAYER Alhamdulillah, Honda of America Manufacturing, Inc. (NYSE:HMC) has agreed to reinstate a Muslim woman who had been suspended for attending Jumah prayers. The employee, an engineer at the automobile manufacturer's Anna, Ohio, engine plant, reported that when her supervisor denied a request to go to Jumah, she began attending secretly on her break while coming to work early or staying late to make up missed work. When her supervisors learned she had been attending the prayer, she was suspended without pay for "disobeying instructions" and "leaving the premises without authorization." After being contacted by CAIR, company officials met with the employee and then agreed to the reinstatement and accommodation. She will also be compensated for time missed. ----- NASHVILLE SCHOOLS RESOLVE COMPLAINT CAIR has announced the resolution of a religious discrimination complaint by a female Muslim student against the Metropolitan Nashville Public Schools. The woman, a refugee from Somalia and an English as a Second Language (ESL) student, alleged that her teacher demanded she remove her religiously-mandated head scarf and also participate in dancing and singing activities at the school. When the student refused on the grounds that these activities would violate her religious beliefs, her instructor allegedly told her not to return to class. After being contacted by CAIR, school officials said the student would receive a letter of apology asking her to return to class. It was also agreed that school officials and the Nashville Department of Human Services would meet to discuss ways of training teachers to be more sensitive to the various cultural practices of the adult education program's increasingly diverse student body. CAIR supplied school officials with copies of "An Educator's Guide to Islamic Religious Practices." The guide is available for $5 (including S/H) by contacting CAIR's publication department by phone, mail or e-mail. ----- Each CAIR Action Alert costs CAIR about $1,000. Please donate generously. - PLEASE COPY, POST AND DISTRIBUTE - ---------- STEVEN EMERSON IN HIS OWN WORDS ON THE ALLEGED PLOT TO BOMB NEW YORK CITY SUBWAYS "The US has become occupied fundamentalist territory." (The Jerusalem Post, August 8, 1997, p. 9) ON THE DOWNING OF TWA FLIGHT 800 Reuters news service quotes Emerson as saying he is "confident that a bomb brought down the plane." Emerson went on to say that the crash could be a plot by "the permanent floating (Islamic) militant international." (Reuters, July 31, 1996) I have no doubt whatsoever, at this point, that it was a bomb that brought down TWA Flight 800 - not a missile, but a bomb..." (CNBC, RIVERA LIVE, August 23, 1996) ON THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING "This (the bombing) was done with the intent to inflict as many casualties as possible. That is a Middle Eastern trait." (CBS News, April 19, 1995) "Oklahoma City, I can tell you, is probably considered one of the largest centers of Islamic radical activity outside the Middle East." (CBS News, April 19, 1995) ON ISLAM In The Jewish Monthly (March 1995), Emerson wrote, "The level of vitriol against Jews and Christianity within contemporary Islam [Note he did not say "radical Islamic fundamentalism."], unfortunately, is something that we are not totally cognizant of...We don't want to accept it because to do so would be to acknowledge that (Islam) ..sanctions genocide, planned genocide, as part of its religious doctrine." He added that "Unfortunately, nearly all (emphasis added) of the Islamic organizations in the United States that define themselves as religiously or culturally Muslim in character have, today, been totally captured or dominated by radical fundamentalist elements..." ----- WHAT OTHERS SAY ABOUT STEVEN EMERSON'S WORK "There's more than a little bigotry in Emerson's obsession with Muslim terrorists." (EXTRA!, July/August 1995) The Washington Post called Emerson a "pro-Israel researcher and author." Aug. 8, 1995 The Jerusalem Post said Emerson has "close ties to Israeli intelligence." Sept. 17, 1994 Professor Jack Shaheen, author of "The TV Arab" In a commentary on "Jihad in America" in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, he said: "'Jihad' is perilous television, pandering to stereotypes that feed collective hatreds." Investigative Reporter Robert Friedman "For the first forty-eight hours (after the Oklahoma City bombing), Emerson was a fixture on radio and TV, waging jihad on Islam." (The Nation, May 15, 1995) The New York Times Book Review Said Emerson's 1991 book Terrorist was "marred by factual errors...that betray an unfamiliarity with the Middle East and a pervasive anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian bias." (5/19/91) Security expert Vincent Cannistraro called Emerson "dishonest" and "Joseph McCarthy-like." Forward, 1/26/96 Terrorism Expert Tony Cooper During a televised panel discussion on the Dallas PBS affiliate following the airing of "Jihad in America," Cooper called Emerson's PBS program "propaganda" and said Emerson was a "stranger to the truth." Journalist Jane Hunter "There are thousands of ax-grinders in journalism, pushing tantalizing stories with few verifiable facts. Most collect rejection slips, but Steven Emerson finds one respectable media outlet after another for his work, which is sometimes nimble in its treatment of facts, often credulous of intelligence sources, and almost invariably supportive of the Israeli government." (EXTRA!, October/November 1992) Arthur Lowrie, Adjunct Professor of International Studies at the University of South Florida "Emerson's two main themes were that an 'Islamic Internationale' exists and is directing an anti-Western terror campaign and that a network of Islamic terrorist cells exists throughout the United States. He failed to provide any hard evidence for either allegation." (Middle East Policy, 1995) -- ____________________________________________________________________ _____ _____ _____ Council on American-Islamic Relations / ____\| /\ \|_ _\| __ \ 1050 17th Street N.W., Suite 490 \| \| / \ \| \| \| \|__) \| Washington, D.C. 20036 \| \| / /\ \ \| \| \| _ / Tel: (202) 659-CAIR (2247) \| \|____ / ____ \ _\| \|_\| \| \ \ Fax: (202) 659-2254 \_____/_/ \_\_____\|_\| \_\ E-mail: cair1@ix.netcom.com URL: http://www.cair-net.org To join CAIR-NET, CAIR's read-only mailing list: Send "subscribe cair-net" in the body of a message to majordomo@ari.net ____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________ barakat@immrc.eng.mcmaster.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:40:54 -0500 From: Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: RE. WHAT INDEPENDENCE Message-ID: <34EDDC46.5484@emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Omar What you mean in your last statements to me? I do not understand it at all. Please make clear to me. I believe anger is a strong feeling of displeasure, an intence emotional state of displeasure. Anger - the most general term, names the reaction but in itself conveys nothing about intensity or justification or manifestation of the emotional state. Help me understanding you better. I don't get it. Peace King Solomon OmarSheik.Saho@ulleval.oslohelse.telemax.no wrote: > KING wrote:� This was well thought and written poem for anyone to read. > Unfortunately what I sense in this is a very angry mind that has so much anger built > up in for years and years before�. > > My brother why the anxiety Anger is to cry, feel sorry, angry, bitter, sympathetic > and friendly. > > Si kaira > > Omar S. Saho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:12:28 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: New Member Message-ID: <01bd3e33$7e88f140$LocalHost@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit king Wrote:- Keep up the good work, and monitor those GHS guys closely. ************************************************************************ **************** King, I am glad you've come to defend the honour of our venerable learning instituition.And don't mind Mr.Jallow,Saints is Gambia's finest.Okay,maybe they are good in Basketball,but we are better at football. So,let us not be scared of them! But in the mean time,keep up the good work down there! Regards Bassss! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:10:57 -0500 From: Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> To: hghanim@erols.com Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Respect for TIME by third world folks!!!!!!! Message-ID: <34EDE350.3FD4@emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Habib This is a very interesting issue. I lack of respect for time on some of us. Some do not care about other peoples' time and schedules, but their own. Some of us do not good organizational skills to make good use of our time. Most on the list had been into either one or numerous events where time was very important to get it under way, but never materialize. Hopefully, some would want to share some of their experiences. Peaceful weekend fellows! King Solomon globexinc@erols.com wrote: > > I would like to divert to a subject that is a problem amongst us but > instead of looking at this common fault in a negetive way , I want to > open the floor to this issue for constructive debate and sussestions. > WHAT CAN WE DO TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM ? > Why are we hours late(including myself) when we are attending our > funtions?? even for weddings,funerals,or even classes?? > Is it in our blood ?? or it it just lack of respect for each other? > > Dr Lamin Mbye last weekend touched on this issue and mentioned the > importance of praying on time should also reflect on our daily routines > ( God prevers us to pray together and on time also) > > SO your opinions please and hopefully we will all learn from sharing. > Habib Diab-Ghanim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:46:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: MMN: Hamza Yusuf on TV, Truth, and Technomania (The Message) (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980220154611.11313H-100000@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:54:26 -0500 (EST) From: Nader Mumtaz <mumtazni@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> To: mmn@msa.inforamp.net Subject: MMN: Hamza Yusuf on TV, Truth, and Technomania (The Message) (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:16:21 +0000 From: BICNews <afifi@iol.ie> To: BICNews <BICNews@MailingList.net> Subject: Hamza Yusuf on TV, Truth, and Technomania (The Message) NOTE: Please do not reply to BICNews unless submitting an Article Responses should be directed to BICNews <afifi@iol.ie> (re-run) June issue of "The Message" Magazine Hamza Yusuf on TV, Truth, and Technomania -- This interview of Imam Hamza Yusuf was conducted in Calgary, Alberta during Islamic Awareness Week organized by the Muslim Students' Association (MSA) of the University of Calgary. The interviewer was Sr. Randa Hammadieh. It was compiled by Sr. Randa and Br. Ibrahim Danial. -- RANDA HAMMADIEH: In your travels in the Muslim world, what cultural practices did you notice that struck you as being different from those of the West? HAMZA YUSUF: In the West, there is a strong separation between young and old. In Muslim tradition, on the other hand, youth continues until the age of 40. This is the idea of "shababiya." In the Western civilization, the idea of adolescence is purely a social construct. The generation gap in the States isn't necessarily universal to all cultures although the US is doing a good job of exporting their monoculture all over the world. This happens because people are being exposed to the television and movies of the dominant culture. So you will see US cultural phenomena now all over the world. RH: What are your thoughts on Muslim youth and public education of today? HY: I think modern school is a negative experience. I believe you can learn more out of school than in it. There is now a universal education system, whether you are in an Arab country, China or somewhere else. This universal education is only going to vary according to the political atmosphere of the given country. For example, in Iraq, the indoctrination is probably more obvious whereas in the US it is just more subtle. School is an artificial construct to socialize individuals into a group identity. The whole idea of a "school of fish" is that everyone swims together whereas traditional Islamic education was completely individualized. What it did was give people all those tools (in the West called "liberal arts") such as grammar, rhetoric, and logic, through which people could actually think and use their brains. In public high schools, you are not given tools, you are given information and data. In fact, a metaphor that is used in education today is that you're basically a hard drive that needs to be written with a given software. You will then fulfill whatever are the social needs of the society. Schooling today is designed only to matriculate people into the logic of the system itself. Then people end up in meaningless jobs doing meaningless work, and never really think about what type of society they're contributing to. RH: If there was one thing in your travels in the Muslim world that left a distinctive impression upon you, what would it be? HY: What a horrific condition the Muslim countries are in! The Muslim world is now like a rape victim. Colonization was like the raping trauma, and the Muslim world has never been able to get up and go on with life. The defeat of the Muslim world in its entirety by European powers, who for centuries were seen as backward and barbaric, has had really devastating effects. Now in the Muslim world, Muslims seem to dress in pale imitation of Western people. Some look like caricatures of Western people. This is indicative of the state of some Muslims who aren't very inspiring anymore. The whole world once looked up to the Muslims as models. RH: What do you say to Muslims who seem to glorify the past when they were at their peak? HY: This is all pathetic nostalgia for returning to the glory of the past and its romanticism. The past has nothing to do with us. That was them. We are a whole other people. It's not our past, it was their present. Now it's over. That's why the Quran has this concept of letting go of your fathers, and not being proud of your fathers because they are not you! You have to create your own future. Don't be like an old war veteran. However, it is important to have some historical continuity because the Qur'an says "Look at the people who went before" as the way of learning lessons. One thing that is wrong with some modern Muslim mentality is the idea of "if we do what they did, we will be glorious." Someone asked me, "How can we get an empire back?" There is this idea that Islam is all about glory. No! It's like you exercise to maintain your health, but the exercise is not your goal. It's just the means to achieve your goal. In the same way that if you seek the contentment of Allah, one of the side effects of that is that Allah elevates you and gives you "tamkeen," but that is not the goal. It's just a side effect. Now you don't hear people talk about Allah very much, just about Islam. The Quran says, "To your Lord is your goal." The path of coming to know God results in victory because of your struggling for truth. One of the things about sincerely struggling for truth is that Allah gives you victory by the nature of the struggle. It follows that by the nature of the struggle itself, you gain worldly success. You see, worldly success has nothing to do with the intentions. Because if those are your intentions, then you will never gain worldly success. In fact, Allah will give the "kafiroon" success over you. If the people of truth are not seeking truth, but instead the benefits of truth (merely the side effects), then they will never achieve them. RH: Then how should Muslims look at life? HY: Life is mundane. Life is praying, getting up for Fajr and day-to-day chores. All this "glory" some aspire to is just an abstract in the mind. And the reality of it is even the kings of the past had to get up in the morning and go through daily routines. Life is by its nature perfunctory and Islam is just to harmonize it, put it into perspective, and make its goals dignified goals, instead of low, worldly goals. RH: Now that you are residing in the US you must have had some exposure to the technological hegemony occurring. How do you view this in the light of Islam? HY: Modern technology is just an example of when people's goals are totally distorted. Modern technology arose out of very strong corporate interests in creating the massification of society where everybody needs a TV or a stereo. This doesn't mean that Islam is against technology. Technology, by its nature, is everything that humans produce. And by our nature we do make things. Islamic technology would be very humane. To serve people as opposed to the opposite. Muslims do not believe in progress. Progress is completely antithetical to the Islamic doctrine. Muslims believe that human society reached its pinnacle in Medina in the 7th century. This is the best society that has ever existed. The verse which says "Today We have completed your Religion..." made Umar (ra) weep because he realized that nothing is ever completed except that it begins to decrease. If the goal of life is to establish Deen, then that is the highest progress that humans can achieve and therefore all this modern technological madness is an exteriorization of the human impulse to know. Because we have become such gross materialists, all of our intellectual and spiritual endeavors have been completely centered and focused on the outward, the "Dhahir" and the inside has been completely forgotten. Now there is even a massive interest in how we can preserve this life here, manifested by studies in cryonics, genetic engineering and cloning. RH: So would you say human beings tend to serve modern technology rather than it serving us? HY: Yes. Modern technology dehumanizes by its nature, because it is based on massification (a computer in every home). Everyone is reduced to sitting around looking at blinking cathode rays on a screen. There is no human exchange anymore; people just send e-mail. People get nervous if you start talking like this because most Muslims are really embarrassed by the simplicity of the Prophet's (pbuh) life. Many don't want to admit that he lived in a house devoid of furniture; that he sewed his own shoes and collected firewood. The Prophet (pbuh) wasn't interested in improving that aspect of his life. Improving ones standard of living has become an idol whereas I think Islam lowers your standard of living. You become content with less. When the Prophet's (pbuh) wife put a cushion in his bed he got upset. He consciously lowered his standard of living. The truth is the whole world can't support a bunch of consumers. Western technology is based on the exploitation of the other 90 percent of the world. All our wonderful technological achievements are based on the rest of the world living in abject poverty. Through enjoying the fruits of Western technology, we are in fact participating in the destruction of indigenous cultures all over the world and the impoverishment of those people. RH: What are your thoughts on the teenage phenomenon and its significance today? HY: It's an artificial construct intended to sell rap, $100 basketball shoes and $80 jeans. It's an invention of consumer society that doesn't exist in traditional Islamic or Western cultures. People should be done with school by the time they're 15. In traditional European societies, those who studied had their bachelors by the age of 14 and were teaching at 18 at Cambridge and Oxford. This is documented. Spending 12 years in school is an artificial construct designed to occupy time-space in which the society really doesn't have the ability to allow these people to enter the workforce because it is saturated. Teenage phenomenon destroys human society. Historically, agrarian-based societies (which the majority of Muslim countries are) view community as absolutely essential for survival, whereas in industrial societies community is a luxury. A sickness of some Muslims today is that they've gotten into the whole age issue. Much like racism and sexism, it's identifying people with quantitative measurements. We don't know how old many of the sahabi were. It wasn't an obsession. In fact, the Prophet (pbuh) tried to break the jahali concept by putting Osama ibn Zaid as the head of an army when he was only 17. Age in Islam is about having gray hair and not having gray hair. If you don't have gray hair you're called a "shabaab" and you're supposed to respect people with gray hair. If you have gray hair you're called "sheikh" and you're supposed to have mercy and compassion on those who don't have gray hairs. That is a much healthier way of looking at it. In Islamic knowledge, we knew Ibn Malik was considered a sheikh which literally means "old man" when he was 17 years old. Islam doesn't box you into a category. Age is about where you are spiritually, not where you are numerically. I think that 40 year olds should sit with 18 year olds, and in a spirit of brotherhood and sisterhood, learn from each other. The sahabi had 15 year olds in their Prophet's majlis with 60 year olds. Muslim schools were never segregated by age. "Allah created everything and He guided it in its own specific way and manner." We are an Ummah of labeling and labels are from Western society. In labels, everything has a name and nothing has a meaning. RH: Given all your experiences, travels, and years, what do you know for sure about the world? HY: Well, that there is a lot of truth to Sayidinna Ali saying that "Youth is a type of madness and old age is a type of wisdom." I think that a crisis of the Muslim world is that we have an incredibly young society and the aging people are by and large ignorant, having lost their historical link, and so there hasn't been a lot of guidance from the older generation. Many Muslim youth are confused, but as this generation of Muslims reach maturity, an interesting scenario is going to occur. As the young people in the Islamic movement in the U.S. and Canada move into their forties, there is going to be much growth and guidance for the younger people, inshallah. We are in a really bad time, but we should see it as a temporal kind of condition. This is not the way it has always been, nor is it the way it will always be, inshallah. I know we just have to be careful as a community in the steps we take. We have to deliberate more than necessary than if we had strong guidance. We are now living in a very exciting time, a time for much potential growth, and I believe that Muslims in Canada and the US will certainly rise to the occasion, inshallah. End of interview. _______________________________________________________________ Views expressed on BICNews do not necessarily represent those of the editors, the Belfast Islamic Centre or any of our associated staff. Further distribution of material featured in this Newsletter may be restricted by copyright law. Thank you to all our subscribers and readers. - Digest versions are also available -- this is recommended if you do not want to handle too many mails -- see web site for details To unsubscribe BICNews, e-mail: bicnews-request@MailingList.net and type unsubscribe in the body of your e-mail message. - Article Submissions for BICNews: <BICNews@MailingList.net> BICNews Editors: <BICNews@muslimsonline.com> Belfast Islamic Centre Main Site: http://ireland.iol.ie/~afifi or http://ummah.net/bicnews http://muslimsonline.com/bicnews _____________________________ mumtazni@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:55:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: MMN: A muslim family in trouble (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980220155520.11313I-100000@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:22:30 -0500 From: Mohamed Heaba <heaba@soya.SOS.McMaster.CA> To: Ahmed Hasanien <hassana@mcmaster.ca> Subject: MMN: A muslim family in trouble Return-Path: <owner-esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu> Received: from lists.acs.ohio-state.edu by soya.SOS.McMaster.CA.SOS.McMaster.CA (4.1/McMaster-1.1) id AA03828; Sat, 7 Feb 98 15:48:47 EST Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA13314; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) by lists.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13178 for <esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca (gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.98.18]) by quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA36320 for <esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:44:00 -0700 Received: (from hghamry@localhost) by gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA60004 for esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:44:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199802072044.NAA60004@gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:44:00 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: hghamry@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Sender: owner-esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu From: H Ghamry <hghamry@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> To: "Egyptian Student Association Network" <esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Help is needed !!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu (ESANET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > From: Ahmed Faissal Abdelghany <afaissal@mail.utexas.edu> > Subject: muslim family in trouble > > A A W R A W B Brothers and Sisters > > I hope that all of you are doing well in study and research. May allah help > you all. > > I got this message from a friend called Matthew. He is a white american > converted to Isalm with his wife three years ago. Actually, I know him > personally. He is a close friend of us here in Austin, Texas. > > Matthew knew about one american muslim family that was abused in San > Antonio, Texas and they are actually in sever trouble. He invistigated the > matter by himself. He went to San Antonio to meet this family and to hear > the complete story then he sent us this e-mail asking for our help. > > Please brothers and sisters, try to read the e-mail to its end. The family > is really in need of money. I want each one of to contribute. I am not > expecting more than five dollars from each of us. But I am making doaa that > everyone of you to write a check even with one dollar. > > Brothers and sisters do not forget the words of the profit PBUH that we are > El Morabetoon, and in shaa allah we will protect islam till the day of > judgement. > > If in shaa allah, if you are going to contribute, send any donations, > payable to Cherrie Webb, to the care of: > > Matthew Mengerink > 6519 Hart Lane > Austin, TX 78731 > Tel. (512) 502-0953. > > Please share this information with all interested parties Jazakum allahu > Khairan > > Ahmed Faissal Abdelghany > > ********************************************************************** > This is the e-mail that I got from Matthew > ******************************************************************** > THIS IS AN URGENT PLEA FOR HELP. An interracial Muslim couple with seven > children in San Antonio, Texas, who have already been harassed, falsely > arrested, and sexually assaulted by the Sheriff's Office, is now being sued > by the state for termination of parental rights based on religious > discrimination and retaliation for the sexual assault charges brought > against the Sheriff's office. On the first day of the Eid, three of the > Webb children were taken from school by the Child Protective Agency on an > emergency court order, the first step towards terminating parental rights. > The Child Protective Agency is trying to take all of the Webbs' children. > > This is the second such case involving religious discrimination against a > Muslim family in Texas - the first was in Dallas in 1995, which resulted in > the removal and subsequent adoption of two Muslim children by a Christian > family, who forced the children to convert to Christianity. The basis for > the termination of parental rights in San Antonio are unfounded and clearly > anti-Muslim. The family is in desperate need of funds for legal > representation to protect their rights and have their children returned to > them. A minimum of $10,000 is required in the next two weeks for the > termination of parental rights hearings alone. This is a landmark case > which directly impacts all Muslims living in the US. > > Please send all donations, payable to Cherrie Webb, to the c/o Matthew > Mengerink, 6519 Hart Lane, Austin, TX 78731, Tel. (512)-502-0953. > > BACKGROUND: > > Bill and Cherrie Webb and their seven children, aged 3 to 13, moved to San > Antonio, TX from Kansas City, MI in August, 1997. Bill Webb is a supervisor > at Green Grass Lawn Care and a clerk at Diamond Shamrock Gas Station; > Cherrie is a housewife. They are an interracial couple (Bill is white, > Cherrie is black), and both converted to Islam in 1994. Bill and Cherrie > have one son from their marriage and two sons and four daughters from > Cherrie's previous marriage. The two older sons are studying Qur'an in > Syria; the four daughters living at home all wear hijab. Because of the > interracial marriage and Islamic appearance, the family has been the target > of harassment within their neighborhood, and most recently the Sheriff's > department that patrols their low-income neighborhood. > > In December, 1997, based on the testimony of an 11-year-old neighborhood > child and under extremely suspicious circumstances, Bill and Cherrie and > their two daughters, ages 11 and 13, were all arrested over the course of a > few days for charges ranging from burglary to filing a false report. There > was no physical evidence in the case, nor proper procedure followed in > terms of the reading of rights or the filing of charges. The 11-year-old > neighbor who called the police had called 911 eleven times in the past > month, and her family had a history of harassment in the neighborhood. Bill > and Cherrie Webb were released on bail which depleted all of their savings, > leaving them in serious debt and in need for funds for living expenses and > legal representation. > > In addition, when Cherrie Webb was separately arrested, she was driven by > the arresting officer named Jackson to a nearby field, sexually molested > and told that because the charge against her was filing a false report, > that on one would believe her if she reported the sexual assault. Cherrie > Webb went on to report the sexual assault and bring charges against the > officer and the Sheriff's Department. Shortly thereafter, officers from the > Sheriff's department began parking outside the Webb's house regularly to > intimidate them. The family has retained a lawyer, and Cherrie's false > report charges have since been dismissed. The burglary charges against Bill > and the two daughters are still pending. > > THE WEBB FAMILY CASE > Page Two > > On January 29, 1998, the first day of the Eid, based on extremely > suspicious allegations of child abuse, Child Protective Services attempted > to remove the Webbs' children from their home, taking three out of the five > children directly from school. The basis of the allegations is unclear, and > the only certainties are that the state has filed for termination of > parental rights, and for some unexplainable reason, are moving under > emergency procedures in the case. > > It appears that religious discrimination and retaliation for the sexual > assault charges against the Sheriff's office are the underlying reason for > these actions: > > All of the officers from the Sheriff's department who were previously > involved in the family's arrests, with the exception of the one who > sexually assaulted Cherrie Webb, were present at the school when the > children were taken. They were all laughing and enjoying Cherrie Webb's > distress over losing her children, and told her, "You shouldn't be worried > about Jackson (the officer that sexually assaulted her), you should be > worried about your kids," and" This is what happens when you mess with one > of us." When Cherrie frantically asked where her children were, one of the > officers smirked and said, "They are already gone...". > > The social case worker assigned to the investigation, Lisa Soto, was > extremely hostile in questioning Cherrie and her 13-year-old daughter, > focusing more on their religious beliefs than the child abuse allegations, > Soto demanded to know if they were born Muslim, and since they were not, > how long they had been Muslims. When Cherrie asked why such questions were > relevant, Soto snapped back, "I'm the one asking questions," and refused to > respond. Soto went on to ask Cherrie Webb if she "had stopped beating her > children yet," a question designed to elicit an admission of guilt whether > negative or positive. The daughter was asked why she wore a scarf and what > the scarf was called. > > The 13-year-old daughter was asked leading questions which simultaneously > implied she was a victim of oppression and abuse in a Muslim home: > "Wouldn't you like to go to a shelter? There you can wear whatever you want > (not wear hijab), eat whatever you want (be able to eat pork), and do > whatever you want (not be restricted by Muslim rules)." When the daughter > hesitated in responding, the case worker told her, "That answer means > 'yes'." > > The daughter was forced to take off her clothes and hijab, and pictures > were taken of her body as evidence of child abuse. > > Bill Webb learned from the case worker that among the allegations against > him were: 1) that he hit one of his daughters in the head with a machete, > and 2) that he bound his children's hands and feet and threw them against a > wall. The same case worker, Lisa Soto, told him that "We know that Muslims > beat their wives and children anyway." > > The Webbs are in dire and urgent need of financial help. At a minimum, they > will need approximately $10,000 for legal fees within the next two weeks, > which will only cover the cost of handling the termination of parental > rights hearings, all of which could begin and conclude in one month's time. > Please share this information with all interested parties and send any > donations, payable to Cherrie Webb, to the care of: > > Matthew Mengerink > 6519 Hart Lane > Austin, TX 78731 > Tel. (512) 502-0953. > > > > > _____________________________ heaba@soya.sos.mcmaster.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:57:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Y. Bala-gaye" <balagay@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: MMN: [Fwd: Imam Al-Ghazali on the topic of Arrogance] (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980220155704.11313J-100000@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:25:34 -0500 From: Mohamed Heaba <heaba@soya.SOS.McMaster.CA> To: mmn@msa.inforamp.net, Ahmed Hasanien <hassana@mcmaster.ca> Subject: MMN: [Fwd: Imam Al-Ghazali on the topic of Arrogance] Return-Path: <owner-esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu> Received: from lists.acs.ohio-state.edu by soya.SOS.McMaster.CA.SOS.McMaster.CA (4.1/McMaster-1.1) id AA01474; Wed, 4 Feb 98 12:03:21 EST Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA08904; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) by lists.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08575 for <esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca (gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.98.13]) by quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA17606 for <esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:59:02 -0700 Received: (from hghamry@localhost) by gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA78900 for esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:59:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199802041659.JAA78900@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:59:01 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: awad@power.ele.toronto.edu Sender: owner-esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu From: Mohamed Labib AWAD <awad@power.ele.toronto.edu> To: "Egyptian Student Association Network" <esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Imam Al-Ghazali on the topic of Arrogance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu (ESANET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Assalamu Alikom: I received this and wanted to share it with you. wa mla. ************************************************************ Assalamu alaikum, brothers and sisters, Recently, I read the following words of al-Ghazali in a book, and I wished to share them here. May Allah help us to be humble and not arrogant, and to think the best we can about others. The following is an extract from al-Ghazali's book, "The Beginning of Guidance." Wassalam, your brother, Fariduddien ======================================================================== * Pride, arrogance, boastfulness * This is the chronic disease. It is man's consideration of himself with the eye of self-glorification and self-importance and his consideration of others with the eye of contempt. The result as regards the tongue is that he says, "I... I..."; as accursed Iblis said: "I am better than he: You created me from fire, and him You created from clay." [Qur'an 38:76] The fruit of it in society is self-exaltation and self-advancement and the endeavour to be foremost in discussion and resentment when what one says is contradicted. The arrogant man is he who, when he gives advice, mortifies, but, when he receives it, is rude. Every one who considers himself better than one of the creatures of Allah most high is arrogant. Indeed, you ought to realize that the good man is he who is good in Allah's sight in the mansion of eternity; and that is something unknown to man, postponed to the End. Your belief that you are better than others is sheer ignorance. Rather you ought not to look at anyone without considering that he is better than you and superior to you. Thus, if you see a child, you say, "This person has never sinned against Allah, but I have sinned, and so he is better than I;" and if you see an older person, you say, "This man was a servant of Allah before me, and is certainly better than I;" if he is a scholar, you say, "This man has been given what I have not been given and reached what I did not reach, and knows what I am ignorant of; then how shall I be like him?" and if he is ignorant, you say, "This man has sinned against Allah in ignorance, and I have sinned against Him knowingly, so Allah's case against me is stronger, and I do not know what end He will give to me and what end to him;" if he is a non-believer, you say, "I do not know; perhaps he will become a Muslim and his life will end in doing good, and because of his acceptance of Islam something of his sins will be taken away, as a hair is taken from dough; but as for me -- Allah is our refuge (i.e. Allah grant that it does not happen) -- perhaps Allah will lead me astray so that I become a non-believer and my life ends in doing evil, and then tomorrow he will be among those brought near to Allah and I shall be among the punished." Arrogance will not leave your heart except when you know that the great man is he who is great in the sight of Allah most high. That is something which cannot be known until the end of life, and there is doubt about that (i.e. in the end whether it will be good or bad). So let the fear of the end occupy you and keep you from making yourself out, despite the doubt about your end, to be above the servants of Allah most high. Your certitude and faith at present do not exclude the possibility of your changing in the future; for Allah is the disposer of hearts; He guides whom He will and leads astray whom He will. [From "Bidayat al Hidayah," or "The Beginning of Guidance," translated in the book titled "The Faith and Practice of al-Ghazali" by W. M. Watt, pp. 145-147. I replaced the word "God" in the translation with "Allah."] _____________________________ heaba@soya.sos.mcmaster.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 04:36:37 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: MMN: A muslim family in trouble (fwd) Message-ID: <34EFF1A5.6F25@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Y. Bala-gaye wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:22:30 -0500 > From: Mohamed Heaba <heaba@soya.SOS.McMaster.CA> > To: Ahmed Hasanien <hassana@mcmaster.ca> > Subject: MMN: A muslim family in trouble > > Return-Path: <owner-esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu> > Received: from lists.acs.ohio-state.edu by soya.SOS.McMaster.CA.SOS.McMaster.CA > (4.1/McMaster-1.1) id AA03828; Sat, 7 Feb 98 15:48:47 EST > Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by lists.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA13314; > Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:45:40 -0500 (EST) > Received: from quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) > by lists.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13178 > for <esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:44:02 -0500 (EST) > Received: from gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca (gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.98.18]) > by quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA36320 > for <esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:44:00 -0700 > Received: (from hghamry@localhost) > by gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA60004 > for esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:44:00 -0700 > Message-Id: <199802072044.NAA60004@gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca> > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:44:00 -0700 (MST) > Reply-To: hghamry@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca > Sender: owner-esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu > From: H Ghamry <hghamry@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> > To: "Egyptian Student Association Network" <esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu> > Subject: Help is needed !!!! > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-To: esanet@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu (ESANET) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > > From: Ahmed Faissal Abdelghany <afaissal@mail.utexas.edu> > > Subject: muslim family in trouble > > > > > A A W R A W B Brothers and Sisters > > > > I hope that all of you are doing well in study and research. May allah help > > you all. > > > > I got this message from a friend called Matthew. He is a white american > > converted to Isalm with his wife three years ago. Actually, I know him > > personally. He is a close friend of us here in Austin, Texas. > > > > Matthew knew about one american muslim family that was abused in San > > Antonio, Texas and they are actually in sever trouble. He invistigated the > > matter by himself. He went to San Antonio to meet this family and to hear > > the complete story then he sent us this e-mail asking for our help. > > > > Please brothers and sisters, try to read the e-mail to its end. The family > > is really in need of money. I want each one of to contribute. I am not > > expecting more than five dollars from each of us. But I am making doaa that > > everyone of you to write a check even with one dollar. > > > > Brothers and sisters do not forget the words of the profit PBUH that we are > > El Morabetoon, and in shaa allah we will protect islam till the day of > > judgement. > > > > If in shaa allah, if you are going to contribute, send any donations, > > payable to Cherrie Webb, to the care of: > > > > Matthew Mengerink > > 6519 Hart Lane > > Austin, TX 78731 > > Tel. (512) 502-0953. > > > > Please share this information with all interested parties Jazakum allahu > > Khairan > > > > Ahmed Faissal Abdelghany > > > > ********************************************************************** > > This is the e-mail that I got from Matthew > > ********************************************************************** > > THIS IS AN URGENT PLEA FOR HELP. An interracial Muslim couple with seven > > children in San Antonio, Texas, who have already been harassed, falsely > > arrested, and sexually assaulted by the Sheriff's Office, is now being sued > > by the state for termination of parental rights based on religious > > discrimination and retaliation for the sexual assault charges brought > > against the Sheriff's office. On the first day of the Eid, three of the > > Webb children were taken from school by the Child Protective Agency on an > > emergency court order, the first step towards terminating parental rights. > > The Child Protective Agency is trying to take all of the Webbs' children. > > > > This is the second such case involving religious discrimination against a > > Muslim family in Texas - the first was in Dallas in 1995, which resulted in > > the removal and subsequent adoption of two Muslim children by a Christian > > family, who forced the children to convert to Christianity. The basis for > > the termination of parental rights in San Antonio are unfounded and clearly > > anti-Muslim. The family is in desperate need of funds for legal > > representation to protect their rights and have their children returned to > > them. A minimum of $10,000 is required in the next two weeks for the > > termination of parental rights hearings alone. This is a landmark case > > which directly impacts all Muslims living in the US. > > > > Please send all donations, payable to Cherrie Webb, to the c/o Matthew > > Mengerink, 6519 Hart Lane, Austin, TX 78731, Tel. (512)-502-0953. > > > > BACKGROUND: > > > > Bill and Cherrie Webb and their seven children, aged 3 to 13, moved to San > > Antonio, TX from Kansas City, MI in August, 1997. Bill Webb is a supervisor > > at Green Grass Lawn Care and a clerk at Diamond Shamrock Gas Station; > > Cherrie is a housewife. They are an interracial couple (Bill is white, > > Cherrie is black), and both converted to Islam in 1994. Bill and Cherrie > > have one son from their marriage and two sons and four daughters from > > Cherrie's previous marriage. The two older sons are studying Qur'an in > > Syria; the four daughters living at home all wear hijab. Because of the > > interracial marriage and Islamic appearance, the family has been the target > > of harassment within their neighborhood, and most recently the Sheriff's > > department that patrols their low-income neighborhood. > > > > In December, 1997, based on the testimony of an 11-year-old neighborhood > > child and under extremely suspicious circumstances, Bill and Cherrie and > > their two daughters, ages 11 and 13, were all arrested over the course of a > > few days for charges ranging from burglary to filing a false report. There > > was no physical evidence in the case, nor proper procedure followed in > > terms of the reading of rights or the filing of charges. The 11-year-old > > neighbor who called the police had called 911 eleven times in the past > > month, and her family had a history of harassment in the neighborhood. Bill > > and Cherrie Webb were released on bail which depleted all of their savings, > > leaving them in serious debt and in need for funds for living expenses and > > legal representation. > > > > In addition, when Cherrie Webb was separately arrested, she was driven by > > the arresting officer named Jackson to a nearby field, sexually molested > > and told that because the charge against her was filing a false report, > > that on one would believe her if she reported the sexual assault. Cherrie > > Webb went on to report the sexual assault and bring charges against the > > officer and the Sheriff's Department. Shortly thereafter, officers from the > > Sheriff's department began parking outside the Webb's house regularly to > > intimidate them. The family has retained a lawyer, and Cherrie's false > > report charges have since been dismissed. The burglary charges against Bill > > and the two daughters are still pending. > > > > THE WEBB FAMILY CASE > > Page Two > > > > On January 29, 1998, the first day of the Eid, based on extremely > > suspicious allegations of child abuse, Child Protective Services attempted > > to remove the Webbs' children from their home, taking three out of the five > > children directly from school. The basis of the allegations is unclear, and > > the only certainties are that the state has filed for termination of > > parental rights, and for some unexplainable reason, are moving under > > emergency procedures in the case. > > > > It appears that religious discrimination and retaliation for the sexual > > assault charges against the Sheriff's office are the underlying reason for > > these actions: > > > > All of the officers from the Sheriff's department who were previously > > involved in the family's arrests, with the exception of the one who > > sexually assaulted Cherrie Webb, were present at the school when the > > children were taken. They were all laughing and enjoying Cherrie Webb's > > distress over losing her children, and told her, "You shouldn't be worried > > about Jackson (the officer that sexually assaulted her), you should be > > worried about your kids," and" This is what happens when you mess with one > > of us." When Cherrie frantically asked where her children were, one of the > > officers smirked and said, "They are already gone...". > > > > The social case worker assigned to the investigation, Lisa Soto, was > > extremely hostile in questioning Cherrie and her 13-year-old daughter, > > focusing more on their religious beliefs than the child abuse allegations, > > Soto demanded to know if they were born Muslim, and since they were not, > > how long they had been Muslims. When Cherrie asked why such questions were > > relevant, Soto snapped back, "I'm the one asking questions," and refused to > > respond. Soto went on to ask Cherrie Webb if she "had stopped beating her > > children yet," a question designed to elicit an admission of guilt whether > > negative or positive. The daughter was asked why she wore a scarf and what > > the scarf was called. > > > > The 13-year-old daughter was asked leading questions which simultaneously > > implied she was a victim of oppression and abuse in a Muslim home: > > "Wouldn't you like to go to a shelter? There you can wear whatever you want > > (not wear hijab), eat whatever you want (be able to eat pork), and do > > whatever you want (not be restricted by Muslim rules)." When the daughter > > hesitated in responding, the case worker told her, "That answer means > > 'yes'." > > > > The daughter was forced to take off her clothes and hijab, and pictures > > were taken of her body as evidence of child abuse. > > > > Bill Webb learned from the case worker that among the allegations against > > him were: 1) that he hit one of his daughters in the head with a machete, > > and 2) that he bound his children's hands and feet and threw them against a > > wall. The same case worker, Lisa Soto, told him that "We know that Muslims > > beat their wives and children anyway." > > > > The Webbs are in dire and urgent need of financial help. At a minimum, they > > will need approximately $10,000 for legal fees within the next two weeks, > > which will only cover the cost of handling the termination of parental > > rights hearings, all of which could begin and conclude in one month's time. > > Please share this information with all interested parties and send any > > donations, payable to Cherrie Webb, to the care of: > > > > Matthew Mengerink > > 6519 Hart Lane > > Austin, TX 78731 > > Tel. (512) 502-0953. > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________ > heaba@soya.sos.mcmaster.ca First and foremost , thank you for sharing with us. I will pass on this info to Ibrahim Hooper or Nihad Awad of CAIR( Ancha sent a piece on them today) Then I am giong to tell the Board of Directors at the MCC(Muslim Community Center) They will help from the Zakat funds (Inshallah) By the way even if the couple were not muslims we should all help because it can happen to any one of us because of colour ,looks or even your accent when talking. peace -- Habib Diab Ghanim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:53:20 -0500 From: Sailey_Sey <SeyS@husson.edu> To: "'Solomon Sylva '" <ssylva@emory.edu>, "'The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List '" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: New Member Message-ID: <B1AFF5622706D11180320000F80326D6273B0D@mail.husson.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain King, You must be really scared of the GHS guys, cos you keep looking for backup. GHS RULES!!!!!(laugh), just like Husson does over Farmington. Nice Weekend bro Sailey -----Original Message----- From: Solomon Sylva To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List Sent: 2/20/98 9:41 AM Subject: Re: New Member Hey Bass, I agree with you whole heartedly on this GHS issue. I do not think they can scare us off!!! Welcome Fatou Jobe and Binta Njie. We look forward to your contributions. Keep up the good work, and monitor those GHS guys closely. Have a nice day. King Bassirou Dodou Drammeh wrote: > > Its good to have someone from Saints.These guys from Gambia High should stop > trying to scare us here.Saints is the best in town! > > So,Welcome Mis.Jobe to Gambia-L > > Regards Bassss! > -----Original Message----- > From: Fatou Jobe <Fatou.Jobe@halliburton.com> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Date: Friday, February 20, 1998 7:13 PM > Subject: RE: New Member > > >Hello you all, > > I am also a new member and my name is Fatou Jobe. I am a Saint High > >School Alumni but I did go to G.H.S. for a year (sixth form). Right now > >I am studying Quantity Surveying at Nottingham Trent Univ. > >Good bye > >Fatou J > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: binta njie [SMTP:galzdemsugar@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 20, 1998 3:00 AM > > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > > Subject: New Member > > > > Hi GAmbia-lers > > My name is Binta Njie, the newest member of the list I believe. > >I > > graduated from Gambia High in 1984..I am now a graduate student > >at TIT. > > Thanks guys. > > > > I noticed that Mr Tombong Saidy's address has the extension > >AOL..how > > is this?. Is it safe to assume that Mr Saidy is dialing long > >distance > > to get online or what. > > If that's the case, I hope it's not the at the expense of the > > taxpayers' money. > > > > Please let me know because I should be going home shortly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:25:17 -0800 (PST) From: Makhou Diagne <igotyoub@yahoo.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: new member Message-ID: <19980220222517.9365.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mrs. Binta Njie -- How are you? I think that now I am the newest member after you. I am also a graduate student at TIT. Check me out. Speaking of Tombong, please leave the man alone. Makh. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:27:16 -0800 From: "m.gassama" <m.gassama@swipnet.se> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Are US Bombs Falling on Bagdad Once Again? Part 2 Message-ID: <34EE9DF4.16B@swipnet.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tosh! Sorry for not continuing my reply as promised. I was however very busy plus the fact that my pc was in the shop for some upgrades and I have not had access to the Internet for some time. However, here it is. I have decided to resend the first part of the reply which was sent earlier to give a wholeness to my post. The reason is that it was a while since I sent it and the second part might not make sense if the first part has been deleted. To all Gambia-l members who find this an extra load, my sincere apologies. For those who might not want to reread the first part, I have separated the two parts. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------- PART 1 Hi Tosh! Thank you for taking the time despite business pressures to respond to my post. I shall try to respond to the points you raised. However, your remarks such as: > Your logic reasoning here is almost to cooked up for me to really be ab= le > to answer to here.. and: = > or whatever god damn color etc. are not worth my response simply because I have respect not only for myself and you but for the rest of the members on this list. Responding in kind would therefore display disrespect on my part. (NOTE: The sources quoted in this reply have been acknowlwdged but have not been properly referenced due to the fact that some are internet downloads which I have made some time ago and do not have their URLs and others are photocopies from magazines which I also made earlier but which lack complete reference information.) To answer the issues you raised. First, you wrote: > You are actually misinterpreting me, what I am saying is that the gener= al > public did not know about the devestating effects from these types of > weapons. > Therefore there would not be any public pressure against using these ki= nd > of weapons. I do not agree with you here. Knowledge of the devastating effects of such weapons led to the creation of laws long before WW2. Article XXIII Section A of the Convention with Respect to the Laws and Customs of War on Land, Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague, II) ratified by the US Senate on March 14th. 1902 states: "Besides the prohibitions provided by special Conventions, it is especially prohibited: a. To employ poison or poisoned arms;" (International Law on the Bombing of Civilians). On September 30, 1938, the League of Nations Assembly unanimously passed a resolution (Protection of Civilian Populations Against Bombing From the Air in Case of War) which among other things gave the Bureau of the Conference for the Reduction and Limitation of Armaments the job of coming up with an agreement concerning among other things chemical weapons. The resolution states: "The Assembly ... II. Also takes the opportunity to reaffirm that the use of chemical or bacterial methods in the conduct of war is contrary to international law, as recalled more particularly in the resolution of the General Commission of the Conference for the Reduction and Limitation of Armaments of July 23rd 1932, and the resolution of the Council of May 14th, 1938." (International Law on the Bombing of Civilians) There was of course knowledge of the devastation of weapons of mass destruction and public knowledge could not have been absent if the governments discussed and ratified these provisions in their individual countries. Second, your wrote: > Based on this I would rather say that the reason why Japan was bombed = > and not Europe was that by the time the bombs where dropped = > the european "enemy" countries had surrendered and only Japan (Asia) wa= s > left as the final war-frontier. = And > Your strong ideas of how the war stood really baffles me.. > It might be "basically evident" for you today, but how can you be so su= re > about how they viewed it 50 years ago? > = Here too, I cannot but disagree. According to Mick Hume, "the first American discussion about possible targets for an atomic attack took place in May 1943, at a meeting of the high-powered Military Policy Committee. At that time, a year before the D-Day invasion and two years before VE-Day, Hitler=B4s Germany was still very much a player in the war= =2E Yet the committee=B4s automatic assumption was that Japan was the target.= General Grove=B4s summary of the meeting records how =B4[t]he point of us= e of the first bomb was discussed and the general view appeared to be that its best point of use would be on a Japanese fleet concentration in the Harbour of Truk. General Styer suggested Tokyo...=B4." (Hume, Mick (1995)= "Hiroshima: the White Man=B4s Bomb" Living Marxism issue 81, July/August)= The decision to bomb Japan was therefore made when Germany was as much a force in the war as Japan was. Hume further points out British prime minister Winston Churchill and US president Roosevelt, at a meeting in September 1944, affirmed the targeting of Japan and there was no mention in the official summary of the meeting of any possible use against Germany. I further put it to you that Japan had offered to surrender before the atomic bombs were dropped. According to Dr. Leo Szilard, the Hungarian-born physicist who helped to convince Roosevelt to launch the atomic bomb project, "all I knew at that time was that we had won the war, that Japan had not the ghost of a chance of winning it and that she must know this." He further said "my point is that violence would not have been necessary if we had been willing to negotiate. After all, Japan was suing for peace." (Interview with Dr. Leo Szilard, "President Truman Did Not Understand", US News and World Report, August 15, 1960, pp. 68-71) In an Asia Week (August 4, 1995) article, it was stated: "weeks before the Aug. 6 attack, Tokyo had already offered to talk peace, but the Allies, keen to immediately dismantle the Japanese war machine, would accept nothing less than an unconditional surrender....Since defenseless civilians had been, after much soul-searching, deemed to be morally acceptable targets, how they were eventually dispatched - by nitro, napalm or nuclear fission - seemed a technical point." Dr. Leo Szilard believes that even though Japan would not have have unconditionally surrendered, if the US had offered Japan the peace treaty it was offered after the bombs, a negotiated peace could have been achieved. According to a report by the American government=B4s Strategic Bombing Survey, Japan was on the verge of surrender. The report states: "based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey=B4s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated." (Living Marxism issue 81, July/August 1995) According to Gar Alperovitz, US president Truman=B4s recently discovered diary `leaves no doubt that Truman knew the war would end "a year sooner now" and without an invasion.=B4 (Nation, 10May 1993) To further put it you that the atomic bombing of Japan was notnecessary, a TIME Magazine (August 20, 1945) article gives a description of the near collapse of the Japanese army. It lists among others that: a Japanese army of 900, 000 had been reduced by continued withdrawals south of the Great Wall in China, 150, 000 Japanese were cut off in Indo-China and Thailand by a probing finger of Chinese columns, 120, 000 Japanese soldiers were counted dead in Burma with the disease-ridden remnants ready to surrender to Mountbatten, 300, 000 troops, scattered through the islands of Indonesia and Melanesia and engaged by the Australians, were just trying to live, 142, 000 troops were bypassed and withering on the vine in the Philippines, Carolines etc. Third, you wrote: > Just to "comfort" you I could perhaps give you the statistics of how ma= ny = > "ethnic european"(or even "arian" people..just a joke, DBU) were killed= by > their "fellow" Europeans and Americans?? = I respectfully decline your offer of "comfort" among other things on the following grounds: 1) I do not need you to comfort me. 2) I am not a racist and would never in any circumstance take comfort in people, no matter what their colour, being killed. I believe in equal justice for all peoples of the world including but not limited to white people. What I am against is the notion of white supremacy. Fourth, you wrote: > Actually, I think the meaning was to drop three bombs, but b'cause of > clouds over one city they only dropped two... I think you are mixing your facts here. America developed only TWO atomic bombs during the war. The then American War Secretary, Stimson, in an article he wrote in Harper=B4s Magazine after Hiroshima, says that it was impossible to demonstrate the atomic bombs because the US had only two and if they had demonstrated them and failed, they would have lost face. (US News & World Report, August 15, 1960) I think that what you have confused is that when bad weather made it impossible for Major Charles W. Sweeney to hit his primary target, he had only enough gas to hit Nagasaki, his second-choice target. (TIME Magazine, August 20, 1945) It was thus just because of bad luck that Nagasaki was hit. The original targets for the atomic bombs were: Kyoto, Hiroshima, Yokohama, Kokura Arsenal and Niigata with the first four being the first choices (declassified minutes of the second meeting of the Target Committee, Los Alamos, May 10-11, 1945). Fifth, on my assertion that the decision to drop the bombs on Japan was motivated by racist tendencies you replied: > Simply because when they dropped the bombs on Japan, Berlin was roaming= > with allied and russian troops..how's that for logic...:-) > = I do not buy that "logic". In a letter justifying his decision to bomb the Japanese cities on 11 August 1945, US president Harry S. Truman wrote: "the only language [the Japanese] seem to understand is the one we have been using to bombard them. When you have to deal with a beast you have to treat him as a beast. It is most regrettable but nevertheless true". (Living Marxism issue 81, July/August 1995) In trying to understand the racist tendencies behind the bombing of Japan, one has to take into consideration the threat Japan represented to the idea of white supremacy in Asia. Japan=B4s victory over Russia in 1905 made it a force to be reckoned with on the world stage. This plus the victories that Japan achieved against the Americans, British, French and Dutch between 1941 and 1943. The loss of prestige plus potential loss of colonies that this represented prompted Antony Eden, who was to later become a Tory foreign secretary and prime minister, to emphasise the importance of "effectively asserting white-race superiority in the Far East." (Living Marxism issue 81, July/August 1995) A top British official in China, Sir Frederick Maze, described the conflict as "not merely Japan against Great Britain" but also "the Orient against the Occident- the Yellow race against the White race:" (Living Marxism issue 81, July/August 1995) = Many of the Western leaders so believed in the sub-human nature of the Japanese that they believed that Japan wouldn=B4t dare to fight the white= powers. The British commander-in-chief of the Far East, peering into Japanese-occupied China from Hong Kong in 1940 described seeing "various sub-human species dressed in dirty grey uniform, which I was informed were Japanese soldiers... I cannot believe they would form an intelligent fighting force". (Living Marxism issue 81, July/August 1995) Now tell me Torstein if there wasn=B4t the hint of racism in dropping the= atomic bombs on Japan. You see, Japan posed a threat not only militarily. It also posed a political challenge to white power that could release Asian nationalism. As a result the Western powers were "fighting a race war, in which the enemy had to be not just contained, but crushed if the white powers were to maintain any authority in Asia." (Living Marxism issue 81, July/August 1995) As Churchill bluntly put it, Asian people were "dirty baboos" and "chinks" in need of a good thrashing with the "sjambok". (Living Marxism issue 81, July/August 1995) I=B4ll stop here now because it is getting late and I have to go to work tomorrow. I=B4ll send the continuation in part 2 around Thursday/Friday because I=B4ll be very busy tomorrow and Wednesday. Until then, have a good evening. Thanks. Buharry. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= PART 2 To conclude my assertion that the bombing of Japan had racial undertones, here are a few quotes: -"The target is and was always expected to be Japan." (General Leslie Groves, director of The Manhattan Project in a memo sent to the then American Secretary of War, Stimson, on 23 April 1945) -"The Japanese made the perfect enemy. They had many characteristics that an American marine could hate. Physically they were small, a strange colour and, by some standards, unattractive=85 Marines did not consider that they were killing men. They were wiping out dirty animals."(Weingartner, J., "Trophies of War: US Troops and the Mutilation of Japanese War Dead, 1941-45", Pacific Historical Journal, February 1992. -"Unless we administer a defeat to Japan in the near future, that nation will succeed in combining most of the Asiatic peoples against the whites." (Admiral Leahy, Roosevelt=B4s adviser) -"Japan should be bombed=85so that the country could not begin to recuperate for 50 years." The war was "a question of which race was to survive=85we should kill them before they kill us." (Captain HL Pence, th= e US Navy=B4s representative in a top US government committee set up to discuss the question of how to deal with Japan after the war.) -Canadian prime minister, Mackenzie King expressed his private relief that the Bomb had not been used against the "white races" in Europe. (Times, 3 January 1976) You wrote: > I belive the world has a responsebility to control > countries from obtaining MDW without any public knowledge/acceptance of= it. When you say "the world", who do you mean? Do you believe as the Americans that the West is the only suitable and mature guardian of this terreible creation? As Truman stated after Hiroshima about the atomic bomb: "we thank God that it has come to us, instead of to our enemies; and we pray that He may guide us to use it in His ways and for His purposes". (Time Magazine, August 20, 1945) Would God have a purpose for using atomic weapons? But then, America believes that its ways are God=B4= s ways or as you put it in an earlier post, it believes that it has a "god sent" government. As "A Manifesto Against Militarism" puts it "today everybody =85 appears= to think that the West has a legitimate right to interfere at will in the affairs of Africa, Eastern Europe or the Middle East. This arrogant assumption of moral superiority, the notion that the West must know what=B4s best for the world, is the most dangerous idea underpinning the New World Order". (Living Marxism, Issue 49, November 1992) The most surprising thing is that no one questions the legitimacy of Western interference. This is the result not only of the West=B4s military, economic etc. domination, but also of its domination of the world=B4s media. This arrogance can cause more problems by giving a false sense of legitimacy especially to some who have other designs. One such example is Francis Fukuyama who in his The End of History and the Last Man, argues that NATO could be transformed into a civilised nations=B4 league and charged with the job of policing the globe (because the UN is not interventionist enough because of its inclusion of third world states). He argues, that NATO should be made into a league of civilised nations "capable of forceful action to protect its collective security from threats arising from the non-democratic part of the world." (Living Marxism, Issue 49, November 1992) Such interventionist attitudes warranted the Pentagon=B4s REGT (Resurgent/Emergent Global Threat), a 70-page project in which seven possible future wars were projected which would warrant US intervention. These include such scenarios as a coup inspired by drug barons in Panama which would threaten the Panama Canal, a civil war in the Philipines which would threaten the Americans living there, a North Korean attack on South Korea etc. as if such drug barons and Philippine guerillas are the stuff global wars are made of. As Frank Richards notes, "there seems to be an inverse correlation between the perception of military danger and the powerlessness of the aggressor. But then the USA has for some time tended to exercise its force against nations with neglible military weight." (Frank Richards, "Invasion of the Third World Fanatics", Living Marxism, Issue 42, April 1992 ) If some Americans are threatened in the Phillipines, should it warrant American intervention on behalf of the WORLD? The World or Americans? You also wrote: > The US is a bully country with a air of arrogance over it, but it is no= t > "above" any international law (and you know it..) Do I? Or rather, do you? -Wasn=B4t the US invasion of Grenada illegal? -Wasn=B4t the bombing of Tripoli illegal? -Wasn=B4t the US bombing of Iraq for "attempting to kill" George Bush illegal? -Wasn=B4t Operation Just Cause, the US attack on Panama and the kidnappin= g of Noriega illegal? -Didn=B4t the US abuse Article 42 of the UN Charter and nullify other articles such as Articles 46, 47, 51 during the Gulf crisis? This to justify its unwillingness to find a peaceful solution to the crisis before embarking on its true mission: the dismantling of the Iraqi war machine. This cloaking of the UN articles prompted Jordan=B4s King Hussei= n to call the Gulf War the "war waged under the cloak of international legitimacy" in which "the United Nations was prevented from fulfilling its role." (Gordon Welty, "The Gulf Crisis and the United Nations", University of Dayton Review, Vol. 21, No. 2, Summer 1991) -Didn=B4t the US break UN General Assembly Resolution 45/48-J, December 4= , 1990 (which forbids any military attack against nuclear targets) when nuclear facilities were among its first targets during the Gulf War? The list goes on. You also wrote: > Why else does it need acceptance from other countries including > UN security council member The Gambia? The US does not need acceptance from countries such as Gambia to bomb Iraq irrespective of Gambia=B4s seat on the Security Council. Even if it needed it, because of the pressures it can put on The Gambia and other countries, it would get it. All this shuttling being carried out is just a stunt. China, Russia and France (permanent members of the Security Council) vehemently oppose military intervention but the US is saying that it will attack Iraq anyway. If the US does not heed these countries=B4 opposition, do you think that The Gambia=B4s opinion matters= ? Again, you wrote: > Iraq are in violation of a UN resolution and NOT an > American resolution. Do you know how many UN resolutions Israel has breached? Has the UN ever even thought of enforcing such violations? Even condemning Israel=B4s blatant violation of UN resolutions is a problem for the US let alone dreaming of forcefully enforcing the resolutions. A few examples of Israel breach of UN solutions are: RES/38/85 = RES/37/122 RES/36/98. Section 7 of this resolution states: the General Assembly " requests the Security Council to institute effective enforcement action against Israel so as to prevent it from endangering international peace and security by its nuclear-weapon capability". Section 10 states "further requests the Secretary-General to follow closely Israeli military activity and to report thereon as appropriate". Has the US which wants us to believe that it is so concerned about countries following UN resolutions made any attempt to make Israel follow the UN resolutions? Of course not. And Israel has been confirmed to have nuclear weapons. In 1986, after Mordechai Vanunu, a nuclear technician at Israel=B4s Dimona nuclear plant defected, it was estimated that Israel= possessed about 200 nuclear warheads. (Carolyn M. Thomas, Nuclear Imbalance In The Middle East And The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty) As she noted, "why should Israel be allowed to continue its program unregulated and maintain an edge over the Arabs while the Arabs are complying with an international agreement?" Are there any attempts to force Israel to get rid of those weapons? Isn=B4t Netanyahu just as fanatical as Saddam Hussein? Isn=B4t he continually raving on about how dearly Iraq would pay if it attacks Israel making gestures about using nuclear weapons? Which weapon does Saddam have that Israel does not have? = Even South Africa under the Apartheid regime developed nuclear weapons. The two warheads developed were destroyed just before handing over to Mandela. Did the UN bomb South Africa to make it destroy its arsenal? No. It is this hypocrisy and double standards that has characterised the UN since its Security Council is dominated by self-appointed nations with permanent membership and veto rights. You wrote: > I would caraterizise napalm definitely as a MDW and it is really a sham= e > for the US. > Generally the use of napalm and the Vietnam war is looked upon today as= > something of the worst the US has done in terms of warfare..Today I don= 't > think napalm is seen upon even as a potentional weapon to use...because= of > its > MDW classification. While Saddam was accused of concealing his weapons of mass destruction, America and its allies openly displayed theirs. Coalition forces dropped a total of 250, 000 tonnes of bombs in Iraq during the Gulf War. As noted by P. Walker, "these included napalm, fuel air explosives which create a gas cloud that blasts a shockwave over 50, 000 square feet destroying everything in its path, and "daisy-cutters", 15, 000lb bombs containing gelled slurry explosives. The Iraqis were subjected to an additional 20-30, 000 tonnes of explosives from artillery shells and rocket-launchers." (P. Walker, The Myth of Surgical Bombing in the Gulf War", in R. Clark et al, War Crimes) And Torstein, you thougt napalm was last used in Vietnam. The American soldiers even used really crude methods against surrendering Iraqi troops. Some were buried alive in their trenches. According to General Anthony Moreno, "what you saw was a bunch of buried trenches with people=B4s arms and things sticking out of them". (F. Kelly= , "War Crimes Against The Iraqi People", War Crimes) Retreating Iraqis were slaughtered despite George Bush=B4s assurances that they would not b= e fired upon. Coalition forces had orders to "find anything that was moving and take it out." (W. Arkin, D. Durant & M. Cherni, On Impact: Modern Warfare and The Environment - A Case Study of the Gulf War.) This even included civilians. You would not see this on CNN, BBC etc. = You also wrote: > Hey, that's a nice jump..from MDW to drugs... This point was meant to demonstrate American hypocrisy. To demonstrate that America is doing equally or even more horrible things than Gaddafi, Saddam et al. Again, you wrote: > War is war, my friend, and helicopters are not MDW but weapons used > commonly by any warring country. Are you basically saying that it is ok to use helicopter gunships in Mogadishu residential areas? Would you feel the same way if it was Oslo we were talking about? You also wrote: > Your a real hardliner aren't you? Anything said must be twisted into > something that can be resembled of a "racial notion" as another "profes= sor" > here earlier insinuated. > Have you seen any other respond to my first sentence with the view "whi= te > supremacy"? > = You have to define "hardliner" for me before I can answer. And I am not saying that you are a racist. I have seen how time and again you have argued against racism here on Gambia-l. So I cannot say that you are a racist by the few words that you wrote. What I am saying is that that is the typical white supremacy line. Maybe you have like millions of white, black etc. people swallowed it hook, line and sinker without questioning it and regurgitate it without realising it. You wrote: > MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPONS are MASS-K-I-L-L-E-R-S and MUST be controlled.= If weapons of mass destruction ought to be controlled or eliminated, then it should be done by all nations. Nations which have tonnes of nuclear, chemical, biological etc. weapons do not have any right, moral, legal etc. to tell others that they should not get those. Given the fact that they openly use it on others. As long as third world countries are at a military disadvantage, America and its "boyboys" like Britain will terrorise the world. As Gordon Welty argues in the case of Iraq, "if Iraq had achieved nuclear parity with Israel in 1990, say, the United States would have been unable to visit the savagery of Operation Desert Storm upon the Iraqi people in 1991. The only defense in the present imperfect world against having "Assured Destruction" visited by the United States upon a people is the possibility of "Mutually Assured Destruction", and this is no less true at the regional level than it is at the global level". (Welty, Gordon, "The Gulf Crisis and the United Nations", University of Dayton Review, Vol. 21, No. 2 (Summer 1991). Finally, you wrote: > Why don't you skip the moral clasule, and start focusing on what to do = to > avoid potentional mass killing. Just a suggestion. If I have to skip the "moral clasule", then we both have to do so because from your arguments, I can detect nothing but a moral standpoint. = Thanks. Sorry for the length and once again, sorry for not replying earlier. Buharry. ------------------------------
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Idwasi" <idwasi@iris1.chem.ohiou.edu> To: asunet@valinor.chem.ohiou.edu Subject: SOROS Fellowship for "New Americans" (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:34:12 -0500 (EST) From: David Tilahun <tilahun@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> To: isu-l@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Subject: SOROS Fellowship for "New Americans" PAUL AND DAISY SOROS FELLOWSHIPS FOR NEW AMERICANS Application Deadline: March 30, 1998 This new graduate fellowship program is in its pilot year. The purpose is to provide opportunities for continuing generations of able and accomplished New Americans to achieve leadership in their chosen fields. "New Americans" include Green Card holders, naturalized citizens, and children of parents where both parents are naturalized citizens. In their pilot year, ten fellowships for graduate study in any professional field or scholarly discipline in the Arts, Humanities, Social Sciences, and Sciences, will be awarded anywhere in the U.S. Thereafter, thirty fellowships will be offered a year. Each fellowship will be for up to two years, with the possibility of a third year. The age limits are 20 to 28. The awards will be for $20,000 annually for maintenance and hald tuition wherever the Fellow chooses to study. Students already in graduate school are eligible, as are seniors in college and recent recipients of bachelor's degrees. Copies of application forms are available from the Office of Research and Sponsored Programs, International Student and Faculty Services, or directly from the sponsor. Warren F. Ilchman, Director The Paul and Daisy Soros Fellowships for New Americans 400 West 59th Street New York, NY 10019 212-333-9741 (phone) 212-245-8381 (fax) pdsoros_fellows@sorosny.org (E-mail) www.pdsoros.org (internet) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:38:41 -0500 From: "Moe S. Jallow" <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! Message-ID: <199802181138410820.0556BC9F@150.1.15.80> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/18/98, at 11:26 AM, Solomon Sylva wrote: >Hey Everyone, > >I can't believe that no one beat me into wishing all of the Gambians a >HAPPY and PEACEFUL INDEPENDANCE DAY to you all. > But someone did beat you to it, Solomon. I beleive that Matarr Jeng, in his= response to Pa. Musa Jallow's message on Sierra Leone, wished him a Happy Independence= celebration. The question should be: Are we all so asleep that we have= forgotten what the today is? Happy Independence Day Gambia-L!!!!!!!!!! THE GAMBIA NATIONAL ANTHEM FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND For The Gambia, our homeland We strive and work and pray, That all may live in unity, Freedom and peace each day. Let justice guide our actions Twords the common good, And join our diverse peoples To prove man's brotherhood. We pledge our firm allegiance, Our promice we renew; Keep us, great God of nations, To The Gambia ever true. ---------------- Regards, Moe S. Jallow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:48:55 -0500 From: globexinc@erols.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! Message-ID: <34EB10F7.7DFC@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Solomon Sylva wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > I can't believe that no one beat me into wishing all of the Gambians a > HAPPY and PEACEFUL INDEPENDANCE DAY to you all. > > With all my busy schedule, I though my head was falling apart. But I > think there are some good brain parts left in my head. > > Hope Tombong, Archi, Pa Musa and the rest, had a wonderful celebrations > and looking forward to their postings on this BIG DAY!!!! > > Going back to elementary school years, it used to be fun times > prepairing and participation for matching on this day, and not > forgetting the competition between schools. That was crazy but fun. > > Hope I brought back some memories to some of you. Since I can't remember > all of mine yet at the moment, maybe some of you might have some real > stories you would like to share with us. > > Proud to be a GAMBIAN !!!!!! > > Peace to All, > King Solomon Happy Independence day to all As Solomom said I hope Torstien or someone down there can scan some pictures and send them by e-mail to share with us Tempus fugit--time flies I remember the very first Independence day celebrations at Mcarthy square with Mr Abraham of Crab Island & Gambia High, the Gymnastics instructor drilling us for the event and telling us how we had to come on GMT time or else he will not let us in. I wonder if any one had pictures or if Radio Gambia had (videos )?/ Habib -- MZ� ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:53:35 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! Message-ID: <9802181653.AA44248@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would also like to wish all and every Gambian from every corner of the world a HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So, join me in singing our national athem. Here we go.... FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND For The Gambia, our homeland We strive and work and pray, That all may live in unity, Freedom and peace each day. Let justice guide our actions Twords the common good, And join our diverse peoples To prove man's brotherhood. We pledge our firm allegiance, Our promise we renew; Keep us, great God of nations, To The Gambia ever true. Regards, Moe S. Jallow Hayes Corporation Norcross, GA 30067 *********************************************************************** mjallow@hayes.com mjallow@hayes.com ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:17:44 +0100 From: Buba Njie <Buba.Njie@econ.uib.no> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SV: Gambians Shot Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980218181743.00920100@hermes.svf.uib.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A>> >Folks, >> > Here is some news from the Kansas City Star (www.kstar.com). >> > >> >Two men found shot to death last week near Marshall, Mo., were >> > brothers from Gambia who lived in the Kansas City area >for >> >the last >> > couple of years. >> > >> > The bodies of Sulayman Loum, 27, and Wally Loum, 29, were >> > discovered in a tributary of the Blackwater River by a >> >woman >> > searching for arrowheads about 11 a.m. Jan. 27. >> > >> > "We just don't know what's going on here," said Saline >> >County >> > Sheriff Wally George. "We certainly don't know where they >> >were >> > killed." >> > >> > The men were killed by gunshots. Their heads were wrapped >> >in >> > material and secured by duct tape. George said he was >sure >> >they >> > were not killed where they were found. >> > >> > Both bodies were found on a creek bed beneath a bridge >that >> >runs >> > along a gravel county road. The site is about three miles >> >north of >> > Interstate 70 and about 80 miles east of Kansas City. >> > >> > George said he was unsure exactly where they lived. The >> >brothers >> > had a sister in Kansas City, Kan. Their parents in Gambia >> >also were >> > notified of their deaths. >> > >>> > >> > If any member of the net is aquainted to Sainabou Loum or a close relative to the Loum family in the States, I would be very grateful if you could extend this message of condolence. On behalf of my family, specially my sister Sainabou Njie and I, we wish to extend our condolence to Sainabou Loum and family for the loss of Wally and Saul. I got the message recently and it's been a shock and a strike in the face knowing the cause of death. Sainabou Loum was a school mate and a class mate to my sister at Nusrat High School, while Wally was a fine young brother in Serekunda and I knew him well. May their souls rest in eternal peace. Best regards, Buba Njie Graduate Student Institute of Economics University of Bergen Norway ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:34:16 GMT0BST From: Musa Sise <sis0909r@uel.ac.uk> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>, gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SV: Gambians Shot Message-ID: <3213B404FAC@bkstud1.uel.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hei Buba, Its good to talk. i stumbled over you whiles browsing in the Gambian page and it didn't seem to be the best moment to really go about chatting, having learnt that a friend and a school mate lost two brothers at the same time is really painful. However, our condolences to a sister and a friend Sainabou Loum whom we are privileged to have shared the same Nusrat with. May their Souls Rest in perfect peace. BALA K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:57:42 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Quite Interesting.... Message-ID: <9802181757.AA55674@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > http://www.saber.net/~walter/gemstone.htm Did you have difficulty accessing the above site? Well, I did! Quite interestingly.... I was unable to open this site either with Netscape or IE. The only way I could get it to open was by getting rid off "gemstone.htm", which took me to the URL http://www.saber.net/~walter/ . From there, it was just a matter of navigating through the rest of the stuff. Interestingly, though, it was....well....quite interesting. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ******************************************************************* mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:14:08 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa Message-ID: <9802181814.AA24378@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gambia-Lers, Who are these "Kamajors" of Sierra Leone? Time and time again, they have been referred to as traditional village hunters and/or tribal militia, who are the active supporters figthing beside ECOMOG, and who are also the wheel behind the restoration of Tejan Kabbah. It is my understanding that these "Kamajors" make up a greater portion of the Sierra Leone population. My question is, how come they are constantly regarded as "tribal" and "traditional"? In order words, what unique characteristics differentiates them from other "tribal" groups in Sierra Leone? Any information will be appreciated. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ******************************************************************* mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:33:21 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone Message-ID: <9802181833.AA59790@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archibald wrote: > To add some weight to this fact kindled from Dr Nyang message is my own > case which might be interesting to share. > > Consider this: > > My Grandma, a fully fledge Gambian, left Banjul for studies at FBC > (college) in Freetown. At college she met with my Granddad, a fully fledge > Sierra Leonean, > and the two got married thus bringing together the Moore family of Allen > Street in Banjul and the Graham Family of Freetown. Their 1st child, my > Dad, was born at Allen Street in Banjul thus his claim to Gambian > nationality by maternity and birth. [...] Archi, Thank you for sharing such insightful information with us. I would like to thank both you and B.M. Jones for your contributions. Stay well and healthy!!! Regards, Moe S. Jallow ************************************************************** mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:39:23 -0500 From: globexinc@erols.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Quite Interesting.... Message-ID: <34EB2ADB.5627@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Modou Jallow wrote: > > > http://www.saber.net/~walter/gemstone.htm > > Did you have difficulty accessing the above site? Well, I did! > > Quite interestingly.... > I was unable to open this site either with Netscape or IE. The only > way I could get it to open was by getting rid off "gemstone.htm", > which took me to the URL http://www.saber.net/~walter/ . From there, > it was just a matter of navigating through the rest of the stuff. > > Interestingly, though, it was....well....quite interesting. > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > ******************************************************************* > mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I had no difficulty opening the site TWENTY pages--I just printed them and will read it later when I time. But just browsing I can tell it is very revealing and sometimes explains why some people are so rich and others so poor Habib Diab-Ghanim -- MZ� ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:33:23 -0500 From: globexinc@erols.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa Message-ID: <34EB3783.45EB@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Modou Jallow wrote: > > Gambia-Lers, > > Who are these "Kamajors" of Sierra Leone? Time and time again, > they have been referred to as traditional village hunters and/or tribal > militia, who are the active supporters figthing beside ECOMOG, and who > are also the wheel behind the restoration of Tejan Kabbah. > > It is my understanding that these "Kamajors" make up a greater > portion of the Sierra Leone population. My question is, how come > they are constantly regarded as "tribal" and "traditional"? > In order words, what unique characteristics differentiates them from > other "tribal" groups in Sierra Leone? > > Any information will be appreciated. > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > ******************************************************************* > mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Moe Kamajors are also found in Gambia( believe it or not) They are the ones who are called the Hunting men . It was brought to the Gambia by immigrants from Sierra Leone. Remember the "huntingman devils" and the agoogus . They are related. Their loyalty is to the state and act as a back up military option from what I was told by the son of one of them Habib Diab Ghanim -- MZ� ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:34:30 -0500 From: Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! Message-ID: <34EB45D6.1C2@emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Moe, for the wonderful words of the National Anthem. I just sang it for my independance day celebration. Peace King Moe S. Jallow wrote: > Happy Independence Day Gambia-L!!!!!!!!!! > > THE GAMBIA NATIONAL ANTHEM > > FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND > > For The Gambia, our homeland > We strive and work and pray, > That all may live in unity, > Freedom and peace each day. > Let justice guide our actions > Twords the common good, > And join our diverse peoples > To prove man's brotherhood. > > We pledge our firm allegiance, > Our promice we renew; > Keep us, great God of nations, > To The Gambia ever true. > ---------------- > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:14:33 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Nagano winter olympics Message-ID: <19980218211433.24597.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >Fellas, >Let's focus on important issues and let's chill out if we do not have >anything to say.. >Asalamu alaikum >Baresi Mr. Malang Maane, I am sorry Sir. I didn't know that gambia-l is a military baracks, where generals like Franco Baresi (I believe that's what you call yourself) dictate what one should post. I look forward to the next important thread that you'll initiate. The only "important" ones I've seen from you so far are: 1. Sending of private mail to the list 2. That you now have a webpage. The above mentioned topics are very very important, Sir. "Keep up the good work down there"! Faithfully, Sam. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:59:28 -0500 (EST) From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> To: Gambia <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9802181703.A6436-0100000@mach1.wlu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Happy Independence Day everyone. Ancha. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:34:30 -0500 From: Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> To: GAMBIA-L: , The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> ; Subject: Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! Thanks Moe, for the wonderful words of the National Anthem. I just sang it for my independance day celebration. Peace King Moe S. Jallow wrote: > Happy Independence Day Gambia-L!!!!!!!!!! > > THE GAMBIA NATIONAL ANTHEM > > FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND > > For The Gambia, our homeland > We strive and work and pray, > That all may live in unity, > Freedom and peace each day. > Let justice guide our actions > Twords the common good, > And join our diverse peoples > To prove man's brotherhood. > > We pledge our firm allegiance, > Our promice we renew; > Keep us, great God of nations, > To The Gambia ever true. > ---------------- > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:02:45 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Nagano winter olympics Message-ID: <19980219010245.17923.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >Fellas, >Let's focus on important issues and let's chill out if we do not have >anything to say.. >Asalamu alaikum >Baresi Mr. Malang Maane, I am sorry Sir!! I didn't know that gambia-l is a military barracks, where generals like Franco Baresi (I beleive this is what you called yourself when you responded to my mail) dictate to their juniors what to do or otherwise..... I look forward to the next (and very important) thread you are about to initiate. So far, I read only the following from you... 1. Sending of private mail to the list. 2. Letting us know that you now have a web page and urging us to check it out. The above are indeed very fruitful and perhaps have national security implications. (ofcourse, no pun intended)! "keep up the good work down there"!! Once again, thank you very much Sir for putting me to order! It won't happen again. Wallahi Tallahi!!!!! Sam. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:17:18 EST From: SANG1220@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ Message-ID: <fe7a2831.34eb8820@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sometimes, when all else fail, force is necessary. Remember, in international law, war is a legal means to settle disputes. Now, do we prefer peaceful means, yes; but when the junta continued to be indifferent to international efforts to resolve the crisis, then force must be use to restore the legal government. God's speed and good luck to the people of Sierra Leone Peace Daddy Sang ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:28:34 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: China: No turning back!!! Message-ID: <9802190128.AA64942@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I admire the Asians. Well, my friends...if I were single and could move around freely, China would have been my ultimate destination this year. Wouldn't you like to venture in an unknown territory? Here is one more reason why all the computer nerds should consider moving to China :-))). *********************************************************************** China PC Demand Seen at 4.5 Million Units in 1998 Demand for personal computers (PC) in China is expected to reach 4.5 million units in 1998, the Market Daily said on Tuesday. PC sales were estimated to hit 60 billion yuan ($7.2 billion) this year, the newspaper said without giving comparative figures. Sales of software and after-sale service were forecast to exceed 30 billion yuan, it said without giving further details. Newspapers have said PC sales would top 3.0 million in 1997, up 50 percent from 1996. Annual sales of PCs were expected to reach 10 million units by the year 2000. China's leading computer makers include Legend Group, parent of Hong Kong-listed Legend Holdings, and Shenzhen-listed Great Wall Computer and Shanghai-listed Qinghua Tongfang. ----------- Source: Reuters news ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:32:41 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Jammeh <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> To: "GAMBIA-L (Gambia and related issues)" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Fwd: Why did the chicken cross the road? -Forwarded (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980218193228.13448A-110000@student-mail.jsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=part0_887057299_boundary Content-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980211083244.31068M@student-mail.jsu.edu> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --part0_887057299_boundary Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: <0_887057299@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:33:02 -0600 (CST) From: Sharon Hanna <st2739@student-mail.jsu.edu> To: Paul Jammeh <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> Subject: Fwd: Why did the chicken cross the road? -Forwarded (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:48:18 EST From: Aubreyhurs@aol.com To: st2739@student-mail.jsu.edu, MichelleD@pareto-partners.co.uk, Sharnette.Ferguson@CIGNA.com, pfrederick@fpcg.com, Ron_Seignious@ccgate.apl.com, james_hunter@mcgraw-hill.com, don.mullins@lipper.com, r_chandler@nwu.edu, dorothy_watkins@constitution.com, srpetty@mail.utexas.edu, cjkh90b@prodigy.com, mica_wilson@seagram.com, Mcarter@ccmc.org, KYLew17@aol.com, Jsudark@aol.com, tab155@hotmail.com, TDhowell@swbell.net, ymorrison@na.ko.com, Rod_Cornish@ml.com, faithfu1@ix.netcom.com, FERGUSON_M2@popmail.firn.edu Subject: Fwd: Why did the chicken cross the road? -Forwarded In a message dated 98-02-09 13:37:36 EST, HRB@cbsnews.com writes: << Question: Why did the chicken cross the road? KINDERGARTEN TEACHER: To get to the other side. PLATO: For the greater good. ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross roads. KARL MARX: It was a historical inevitability. TIMOTHY LEARY: Because that's the only trip the establishment would let it take. SADDAM HUSSEIN: This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. RONALD REAGAN: I forget. CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK: To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. HIPPOCRATES: Because of an excess of phlegm in its pancreas. ANDERSEN CONSULTING: Deregulation of the chicken's side of the road was threatening its dominant market position. The chicken was faced with significant challenges to create and develop the competencies required for the newly competitive market. Andersen Consulting, in a partnering relationship with the client, helped the chicken by rethinking its physical distribution strategy and implementation processes. Using the Poultry Integration Model (PIM), Andersen helped the chicken use its skills, methodologies, knowledge, capital and experiences to align the chicken's people, processes and technology in support of its overall strategy within a Program Management framework. Andersen Consulting convened a diverse cross-spectrum of road analysts and best chickens along with Anderson consultants with deep skills in the transportation industry to engage in a two-day itinerary of meetings in order to leverage their personal knowledge capital, both tacit and explicit, and to enable them to synergize with each other in order to achieve the implicit goals of delivering and successfully architecting and implementing an enterprise-wide value framework across the continuum of poultry cross-median processes. The meeting was held in a park-like setting, enabling and creating an impactful environment which was strategically based, industry-focused, and built upon a consistent, clear, and unified market message and aligned with the chicken's mission, vision, and core values. This was conducive towards the creation of a total business integration solution. Andersen Consulting helped the chicken change to become more successful. LOUIS FARRAKHAN: The road, you see, represents the black man. The chicken 'crossed' the black man in order to trample him and keep him down. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question. MOSES: And God came down from the Heavens, and He said unto the chicken, "Thou shalt cross the road." And the chicken crossed the road, and there was much rejoicing. FOX MULDER: You saw it cross the road with your own eyes. How many more chickens have to cross the road before you believe it? RICHARD M. NIXON: The chicken did not cross the road. I repeat, the chicken did NOT cross the road. MACHIAVELLI: The point is that the chicken crossed the road. Who cares why? The end of crossing the road justifies whatever motive there was. JERRY SEINFELD: Why does anyone cross a road? I mean, why doesn't anyone ever think to ask, What the heck was this chicken doing walking around all over the place, anyway?" FREUD: The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. BILL GATES: I have just released the new Chicken Office 2000, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your chequebook. OLIVER STONE: The question is not, "Why did the chicken cross the road?" Rather, it is, "Who was crossing the road at the same time, whom we overlooked in our haste to observe the chicken crossing?" DARWIN: Chickens, over great periods of time, have been naturally selected in such a way that they are now genetically disposed to cross roads. EINSTEIN: Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the chicken depends upon your frame of reference. BUDDHA: Asking this question denies your own chicken nature. RALPH WALDO EMERSON: The chicken did not cross the road .. it transcended it. ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die. In the rain. MICHAEL SCHUMACHER; it was an instinctive manouvre, the chicken obviously didn't see the road until he had already started to cross. COLONEL SANDERS: I missed one? >> --part0_887057299_boundary Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: <0_887057299@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-Description: Return-Path: <HRB@cbsnews.com> Received: from relay10.mail.aol.com (relay10.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.10]) by air07.mail.aol.com (v38.1) with SMTP; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:37:36 -0500 Received: from cbsnews.com ([170.20.81.50]) by relay10.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id NAA13735 for <aubreyhurs@aol.com>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from CBSNY-Message_Server by cbsnews.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:26:42 -0500 Message-Id: <s4df0412.086@cbsnews.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:25:48 -0500 From: Rene Brinkley <HRB@cbsnews.com> To: aubreyhurs@aol.com Subject: Why did the chicken cross the road? -Forwarded Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit this is a good one...just nice clean humor...i think i need to include some of the anderson comments along with my essays!!!!! enjoy -------------------- Received: From [205.231.100.189] m21.boston.juno.com By cbsnews.com (GroupWise SMTP/MIME daemon 4.11) Mon, 9 Feb 98 10:50:44 EST Received: (from peter_marquis@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id KaL17988; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:48:34 EST Message-ID: <19980209.104426.19414.1.peter_marquis@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-26,28-30,32-34,36,38-41,43,45-46,48-49,51,53-54, 56-76,78-87,89-92,94-97,99-119 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:25:09 -0500 From: Peter J Marquis <peter_marquis@juno.com> To: kgrossma@bsmg.com,SZD@cbsnews.com, jmacdonald@exchange.ml.com, mercjj@gis.net, dabbar_paul@jpmorgan.com, caccae01@mcgc16.med.nyu.edu, tharris@memc.com, emcgovern@rockwoodrealty.com, edward.guay@ssmb.com, james.hempstead@ssmb.com, jeremy.radtke@ssmb.com, manny.cofresi@ssmb.com, vincent.cubbage@ssmb.com, lmarquis@tiac.net Subject: Why did the chicken cross the road? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Question: Why did the chicken cross the road? KINDERGARTEN TEACHER: To get to the other side. PLATO: For the greater good. ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross roads. KARL MARX: It was a historical inevitability. TIMOTHY LEARY: Because that's the only trip the establishment would let it take. SADDAM HUSSEIN: This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. RONALD REAGAN: I forget. CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK: To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. HIPPOCRATES: Because of an excess of phlegm in its pancreas. ANDERSEN CONSULTING: Deregulation of the chicken's side of the road was threatening its dominant market position. The chicken was faced with significant challenges to create and develop the competencies required for the newly competitive market. Andersen Consulting, in a partnering relationship with the client, helped the chicken by rethinking its physical distribution strategy and implementation processes. Using the Poultry Integration Model (PIM), Andersen helped the chicken use its skills, methodologies, knowledge, capital and experiences to align the chicken's people, processes and technology in support of its overall strategy within a Program Management framework. Andersen Consulting convened a diverse cross-spectrum of road analysts and best chickens along with Anderson consultants with deep skills in the transportation industry to engage in a two-day itinerary of meetings in order to leverage their personal knowledge capital, both tacit and explicit, and to enable them to synergize with each other in order to achieve the implicit goals of delivering and successfully architecting and implementing an enterprise-wide value framework across the continuum of poultry cross-median processes. The meeting was held in a park-like setting, enabling and creating an impactful environment which was strategically based, industry-focused, and built upon a consistent, clear, and unified market message and aligned with the chicken's mission, vision, and core values. This was conducive towards the creation of a total business integration solution. Andersen Consulting helped the chicken change to become more successful. LOUIS FARRAKHAN: The road, you see, represents the black man. The chicken 'crossed' the black man in order to trample him and keep him down. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question. MOSES: And God came down from the Heavens, and He said unto the chicken, "Thou shalt cross the road." And the chicken crossed the road, and there was much rejoicing. FOX MULDER: You saw it cross the road with your own eyes. How many more chickens have to cross the road before you believe it? RICHARD M. NIXON: The chicken did not cross the road. I repeat, the chicken did NOT cross the road. MACHIAVELLI: The point is that the chicken crossed the road. Who cares why? The end of crossing the road justifies whatever motive there was. JERRY SEINFELD: Why does anyone cross a road? I mean, why doesn't anyone ever think to ask, What the heck was this chicken doing walking around all over the place, anyway?" FREUD: The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. BILL GATES: I have just released the new Chicken Office 2000, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your chequebook. OLIVER STONE: The question is not, "Why did the chicken cross the road?" Rather, it is, "Who was crossing the road at the same time, whom we overlooked in our haste to observe the chicken crossing?" DARWIN: Chickens, over great periods of time, have been naturally selected in such a way that they are now genetically disposed to cross roads. EINSTEIN: Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the chicken depends upon your frame of reference. BUDDHA: Asking this question denies your own chicken nature. RALPH WALDO EMERSON: The chicken did not cross the road .. it transcended it. ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die. In the rain. MICHAEL SCHUMACHER; it was an instinctive manouvre, the chicken obviously didn't see the road until he had already started to cross. COLONEL SANDERS: I missed one? --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --part0_887057299_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:35:06 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Selective postings or server failure. Message-ID: <19980219013506.17779.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain List admin., I posted two messages today, one at around 1pm and the other at about 5pm. I am yet to receive any of the copies. I guess the server was probably down when I posted the messages! Just wondering... Peace to ya'll! Sam. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:34:22 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Oprah Winfrey hosts Noted Liberian Plastic Surgeon (fwd) Message-ID: <9802190134.AA49542@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just received this.. You might want to have a change of heart and watch this brother on OPRAH tomorrow (that is for those who do not watch OPRAH). Regards, Moe S. Jallow ------------------------------------------------------------------ Noted Liberian Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeon, Robert H. Dennis 2nd is scheduled to appear on the Oprah Winfrey Show tomorrow, February 19th as a guest. Dr. Dennis is Associate Professor of Surgery and Vice-Chairman of the Department of Surgery and Chief of the Division of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery at Howard University Hospital in Washington D.C. Dr. Dennis earned his undergraduate degree from Cornell University and his Medical degrees from Howard University where he also completed his Surgical Residency. He did his Internship at Georgetown University and his Residency in Plastic Surgery at George Washington University and also completed specialised training in Cranial Maxillo facial surgery at the University of Miami. ....and he still found time to be a good big brother. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:39:11 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone and west Africa I beg to differ Message-ID: <34ED958F.3798@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SANG1220@aol.com wrote: > > Sometimes, when all else fail, force is necessary. Remember, in international > law, war is a legal means to settle disputes. Now, do we prefer peaceful > means, yes; but when the junta continued to be indifferent to international > efforts to resolve the crisis, then force must be use to restore the legal > government. God's speed and good luck to the people of Sierra Leone > Peace > Daddy Sang Yes Sang I think force was not only necessar but also overdue. Those convicts who came out of Pemdemba prison could NOT rule even a zoo .. They all deserve a severe punishment not amnesty for putting a whole country (Sierra Leone) into virtual rock bottom sufferings Bravo to ECOGOMOG -- Habib Diab Ghanim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:28:06 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Fwd: Former Sierra Leone spokesman changes his tune Message-ID: <19980219032806.17341.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain What's up fellows?, A day shall come when the "mouthpiece" and "praise singers" of the current regime, within and outside the list, shall change their tune when they are held captive by the people. Give credit when due, but when people are detained because of frivolous/outrageous "reasons", it only leaves one to wonder who is/are the advisers. Reminds me of the "Intellectual prostitutes" who all over the continent rise up to legitimise rouge regimes. Where is Dr. Abbass Bundu now??? Check out the laughable piece below. Friendly, Sam. *************************************************************** World: Africa Former Sierra Leone spokesman changes his tune The former spokesman of the deposed military government in Sierra Leone, Allieu Kamara -- who last week condemned the Nigerian-led ECOMOG force for trying to capture Freetown -- has now praised them. Mr Kamara, who is at present being held in protective custody by ECOMOG, said they were an effective and professional force. Only last Friday, he had told the BBC that Sierra Leone's sovereignty would be defended to the end, and the ECOMOG troops would never take over. Asked why he had changed his mind, Mr Kamara said he had been merely a mouthpiece for the ousted military leadership. Now, he said, he could tell the truth. From the newsroom of the BBC World Service ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:33:19 +0330 From: "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Nagano winter olympics Message-ID: <19980219041947.AAA12688@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, I would have directed this mail directly to Mr Kouyate but I'd sent it to the list for clarification purposes. I am not a general..yes I address myself as Mr Franco BAresi..a name I acquired for my skills in soccer something that Mr Kouyate knows nothing about probably(just teasing). However the list is called the Gambia-L and I believe that issues that concern Gambians directly or indirectly should be addressed. Issues such as Nagano olympic games or Valentine dates as some dude mentioned earlier has absolutely nothing to do with the list and therfore should be addressed where appropriate. Once again this is my opinion and anyone can deviate from it... As far as stuff I've posted on the list goes,it is quite obvious that Mr Kouyate is either a new member or has not been reading his messages. I have earlier on addressed the issue of the UEP in the Gambia. The reason I've asked people on the list to take a look at my page is just to let people know that there are Gambians capable of doing a whole lot of different stuff and hope that people will follow the example. I received numerous messages from people on the llist who saw my page and as a matter of fact Mr Camara has added my URL to his page as Gambians on the net. There are a lot of important issues we need to talk about and it sickens me when I get home to see that I have 32 messages; a sixth of which are completely ridiculious and irrelevant. I am just being me and being a member of the list, I have the right to comment on anything that I feel I should. I am not in any way trying to tell anyone what to do. You need to speak up to be heard and Voila. Asalamu alaikum. Lang Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:37:10 +0330 From: "Franco Baresi" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Happy Independance Day !!!!!!! Message-ID: <19980219042953.AAA1001@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellas, Thanks for posting the national anthem..I should be ashamed of myself...I can't remember the word to the anthem.Thanks for this information... Salaam Lang Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:55:08 -0800 From: Lamin Jaiteh <ljaiteh@mail.wsu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Subscription Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980218205508.007cae00@mail.wsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear List Managers, Could you please resubscribe Ousainou Demba.His e-mail address is Odemba@eecs.wsu.edu. thanks tenn. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:41:34 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: I'm over it !!!! Message-ID: <19980219054134.17788.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mr. Maane and fellow gambia-lers, I said I was sorry in my previous posting. What else do you want me to do?? I hereby urge the list admin(s) to take appropriate actions for my "unwarranted" mail. Maybe I should take a brief "cyber-tical". BTW, I would love to see you in a scorpions jersey. Once again, peace to ya'll! Friendly, Sam. ______________________________________________________________________ >Folks, >I would have directed this mail directly to Mr Kouyate but I'd sent it to >the list for clarification purposes. >I am not a general..yes I address myself as Mr Franco BAresi..a name I >acquired for my skills in soccer something that Mr Kouyate knows nothing >about probably(just teasing). However the list is called the Gambia-L and I >believe that issues that concern Gambians directly or indirectly should be >addressed. Issues such as Nagano olympic games or Valentine dates as some >dude mentioned earlier has absolutely nothing to do with the list and >therfore should be addressed where appropriate. Once again this is my >opinion and anyone can deviate from it... >As far as stuff I've posted on the list goes,it is quite obvious that Mr >Kouyate is either a new member or has not been reading his messages. >I have earlier on addressed the issue of the UEP in the Gambia. The reason >I've asked people on the list to take a look at my page is just to let >people know that there are Gambians capable of doing a whole lot of >different stuff and hope that people will follow the example. I received >numerous messages from people on the llist who saw my page and as a matter >of fact Mr Camara has added my URL to his page as Gambians on the net. >There are a lot of important issues we need to talk about and it sickens me >when I get home to see that I have 32 messages; a sixth of which are >completely ridiculious and irrelevant. >I am just being me and being a member of the list, I have the right to >comment on anything that I feel I should. I am not in any way trying to >tell anyone what to do. You need to speak up to be heard and Voila. >Asalamu alaikum. > >Lang Jr. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:50:08 +0100 From: Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> To: "'Gambia-L@u.washington.edu'" <Gambia-L@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE : SIERRA LEONE AND WEST AFRICA (fwd) Message-ID: <FBF1001D6A18D1118AC100A0C942F230A682@AVIA-A> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Dr. Nyang wrote: The fifth and last reason why Gambians should pay attention to >the state of affairs in Sierra Leone, lies in the fact that Sierra Leone >has set many precedents for Africa. Let me list a few of them for your >reflection and comment.The first precedent from the land the Portuguese >called Sierra Leone, took place in 1967, when the late Siaka Stevens was >elected to replace Prime Minister Albert Margai. This was certainly >unprecedented in African politics . It took place at a time when the >single party system was the order of the day.Since then the Sierra Leone >example has been followed only in Mauretius and Zambia. Dr, I did not come round to reading you magnificient piece until last night when I came across a copy I had printed some days earlier. Though this may not have a direct material relevance to the theme of your discourse, I could not fail but notice the omision of two other African countries that have also had sitting governments replaced by opposition parties after defeating them at the polls. In 1991 the governments of both Sao Tome and Principe and Cape Verde were replaced by opposition paties after elections. A. Kabir Njie. PS: If you have an electronic copy of "Telefishbowl", an article you authored which I read some years ago in "West Africa Magazine"(?), can you please mail it to me a copy at: Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no I remember I had to read it more than once. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:52:23 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Why did the chicken cross the road? -Forwarded (fwd) Message-ID: <01bd3d24$75589ae0$912585c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, Thanks for the forward.......... very interesting! Keep up the good work down there! Regards Bassss! > > > Question: Why did the chicken cross the road? > > KINDERGARTEN TEACHER: To get to the other side. > > PLATO: For the greater good. > > ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross roads. > > KARL MARX: It was a historical inevitability. > > TIMOTHY LEARY: Because that's the only trip the establishment would > let it take. > > SADDAM HUSSEIN: This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were > quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. > > RONALD REAGAN: I forget. > > CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK: To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. > > HIPPOCRATES: Because of an excess of phlegm in its pancreas. > > ANDERSEN CONSULTING: Deregulation of the chicken's side of the road > was threatening its dominant market position. The chicken was faced > with significant challenges to create and develop the competencies > required > for the newly competitive market. Andersen Consulting, in a partnering > relationship with the client, helped the chicken by rethinking its > physical distribution strategy and implementation processes. Using the > Poultry > Integration Model (PIM), Andersen helped the chicken use its skills, > methodologies, knowledge, capital and experiences to align the > chicken's people, processes and technology in support of its overall > strategy > within a Program Management framework. Andersen Consulting convened a > diverse > cross-spectrum of road analysts and best chickens along with Anderson > consultants with deep skills in the transportation industry to engage > in a two-day itinerary of meetings in order to leverage their personal > knowledge capital, both tacit and explicit, and to enable them to > synergize with > each other in order to achieve the implicit goals of delivering and > successfully > architecting and implementing an enterprise-wide value framework > across the continuum of poultry cross-median processes. The meeting was > held in > a park-like setting, enabling and creating an impactful environment > which was strategically based, industry-focused, and built upon a > consistent, > clear, and unified market message and aligned with the chicken's mission, > vision, > and core values. This was conducive towards the creation of a total > business integration solution. Andersen Consulting helped the chicken > change > to become more successful. > > LOUIS FARRAKHAN: The road, you see, represents the black man. The > chicken 'crossed' the black man in order to trample him and keep him > down. > > MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: I envision a world where all chickens will > be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question. > > MOSES: And God came down from the Heavens, and He said unto the > chicken, "Thou shalt cross the road." And the chicken crossed the > road, and there was much rejoicing. > > FOX MULDER: You saw it cross the road with your own eyes. How many > more chickens have to cross the road before you believe it? > > RICHARD M. NIXON: The chicken did not cross the road. I repeat, the > chicken did NOT cross the road. > > MACHIAVELLI: The point is that the chicken crossed the road. Who > cares why? The end of crossing the road justifies whatever motive there > was. > > JERRY SEINFELD: Why does anyone cross a road? I mean, why doesn't > anyone ever think to ask, What the heck was this chicken doing walking > around all over the place, anyway?" > > FREUD: The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken > crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. > > BILL GATES: I have just released the new Chicken Office 2000, which > will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important > documents, > and balance your chequebook. > > OLIVER STONE: The question is not, "Why did the chicken cross the > road?" Rather, it is, "Who was crossing the road at the same time, whom > we > overlooked in our haste to observe the chicken crossing?" > > DARWIN: Chickens, over great periods of time, have been naturally > selected in such a way that they are now genetically disposed to cross > roads. > > EINSTEIN: Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved > beneath the chicken depends upon your frame of reference. > > BUDDHA: Asking this question denies your own chicken nature. > > RALPH WALDO EMERSON: The chicken did not cross the road .. it > transcended it. > > ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die. In the rain. > > MICHAEL SCHUMACHER; it was an instinctive manouvre, the chicken > obviously didn't see the road until he had already started to cross. > > COLONEL SANDERS: I missed one? > > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:00:02 +0100 From: Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> To: "'Gambia-L@u.washington.edu'" <Gambia-L@u.washington.edu> Subject: Recall: RE : SIERRA LEONE AND WEST AFRICA (fwd) Message-ID: <FBF1001D6A18D1118AC100A0C942F230A683@AVIA-A> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Amadou Kabir Njie would like to recall the message, "RE : SIERRA LEONE AND WEST AFRICA (fwd)". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:20:12 GMT From: SADAMS <SADAMS@geog.gla.ac.uk> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Pas it on!! From Sebja Message-ID: <3311CE41ABA@geog.gla.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yoh! Check this out. You can listen to BBC Africa services on-line daily: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/ Cool, Sebja. Stanley Sebja ADAMS Tel: Direct 0141-330-4780 Cartographer, E-mail: sadams@geog.gla.ac.uk CartoGraphics Unit, Fax: 0141-330-4894 Dept. of Geography & Topographic Science, University of Glasgow. Member of the GLASGOW, G12 8QQ, SOCIETY OF CARTOGRAPHERS Scotland, U.K. & Association of Geographical Information Web Site: http://www.geog.gla.ac.uk/~sadams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:33:11 + 0100 MET From: "Alpha Robinson" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: What independence? Message-ID: <341C647038@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Some reflections on independence day What Independence When after 33 years We are still battling with poverty Material poverty Spiritual poverty Poverty of will What Independence When after 33 years we own not our minds Our souls and our bodies What independence When the birth of a child Becomes a source of worry When the death of a family member Triggers cold trickles of rejoice When we rejoice instead of crying And cry instead of rejoicing What independence When after 33 years Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival When men and women no longer own their conscience When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile And intelligence amounts to opportunism When justice is murdered in cold blood While we sing dance and rejoice The same dances The same parades What independence When honesty truthfulness and integrity Become the enemy of a people When parents send their children to steal rape and kill What independence When young people have to leave their motherland Their beloved one Uprooted and already defeated In search of life When we fail to provide opportunities for our children To learn grow and live What independence When the cracks on farmers feet The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin Keep haunting us after 33 years When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets When we live on the crumbs Leftover by other nations When leaders still play God with the innocent When keeping our people ignorant Seems to be our greatest achievement What independence When egoism becomes self-righteous When the rich and the poor of today Stand at opposite end of the widening valley While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own Meanders into the common future of destitution What independence When clean potable water The most basic requirement of life Is a luxury to many When the best curable diseases Claim their daily quota on our children Well before they are born When parents can no longer be proud of their children And children can no longer be proud of their parents For being just and honest Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption What independence are we celebrating? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 13:48:56 +0100 From: mgravesen@unicef.dk To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <9802198878.AA887892777@supply.unicef.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone!! Its been a very long time since I read something truthful like this mail. You raise a lot of important issues. You are so right and it is good for me to know that I am not the only one with this kind of thoughts/feelings. But the real question is: What can we do to change our lives and make a better way of life for our children???? God bless Mariam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: What independence? Author: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> at Internet_Cop Date: 2/19/98 12:33 Some reflections on independence day What Independence When after 33 years We are still battling with poverty Material poverty Spiritual poverty Poverty of will What Independence When after 33 years we own not our minds Our souls and our bodies What independence When the birth of a child Becomes a source of worry When the death of a family member Triggers cold trickles of rejoice When we rejoice instead of crying And cry instead of rejoicing What independence When after 33 years Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival When men and women no longer own their conscience When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile And intelligence amounts to opportunism When justice is murdered in cold blood While we sing dance and rejoice The same dances The same parades What independence When honesty truthfulness and integrity Become the enemy of a people When parents send their children to steal rape and kill What independence When young people have to leave their motherland Their beloved one Uprooted and already defeated In search of life When we fail to provide opportunities for our children To learn grow and live What independence When the cracks on farmers feet The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin Keep haunting us after 33 years When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets When we live on the crumbs Leftover by other nations When leaders still play God with the innocent When keeping our people ignorant Seems to be our greatest achievement What independence When egoism becomes self-righteous When the rich and the poor of today Stand at opposite end of the widening valley While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own Meanders into the common future of destitution What independence When clean potable water The most basic requirement of life Is a luxury to many When the best curable diseases Claim their daily quota on our children Well before they are born When parents can no longer be proud of their children And children can no longer be proud of their parents For being just and honest Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption What independence are we celebrating? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:20:31 +0100 From: Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Recall: RE : SIERRA LEONE AND WEST AFRICA (fwd) Message-ID: <FBF1001D6A18D1118AC100A0C942F230A685@AVIA-A> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hey List managers, My intention was not to recall the message but to replace it since I had discovered some typing errors just after sending it and also having checked to make sure that it had not yet been read (at least so I understood). Anyway, I tried to send a separate rectification which read: "I wrote: PS: If you have an electronic copy of "Telefishbowl", an article you authored which I read some years ago in "West Africa Magazine"(?), can you please mail it to me a copy at: Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no I meant to write: PS: If you have an electronic copy of "Telefishbowl", an article you authored which I read some years ago in "West Africa Magazine"(?), can you please mail me a copy at: Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no A.Kabir Njie" Please excuse my clumsiness! A. Kabir Njie. > -----Original Message----- > From: Amadou Kabir Njie [SMTP:Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no] > Sent: 19. februar 1998 11:00 > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Recall: RE : SIERRA LEONE AND WEST AFRICA (fwd) > > Amadou Kabir Njie would like to recall the message, "RE : SIERRA LEONE > AND WEST AFRICA (fwd)". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:25:43 PST From: "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <19980219132544.16798.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for a well written piece Alpha! You have said it all. "What independence are we celebrating?" The struggle continues! Momodou Camara You wrote: >Some reflections on independence day > >What Independence >When after 33 years >We are still battling with poverty >Material poverty >Spiritual poverty >Poverty of will >What Independence >When after 33 years we own not our minds >Our souls and our bodies >What independence >When the birth of a child >Becomes a source of worry >When the death of a family member >Triggers cold trickles of rejoice >When we rejoice instead of crying >And cry instead of rejoicing >What independence >When after 33 years >Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival >When men and women no longer own their conscience >When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile >And intelligence amounts to opportunism >When justice is murdered in cold blood >While we sing dance and rejoice >The same dances >The same parades >What independence >When honesty truthfulness and integrity >Become the enemy of a people >When parents send their children to steal rape and kill >What independence >When young people have to leave their motherland >Their beloved one >Uprooted and already defeated >In search of life >When we fail to provide opportunities for our children >To learn grow and live >What independence >When the cracks on farmers feet >The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin >Keep haunting us after 33 years >When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets >When we live on the crumbs >Leftover by other nations >When leaders still play God with the innocent >When keeping our people ignorant >Seems to be our greatest achievement >What independence >When egoism becomes self-righteous >When the rich and the poor of today >Stand at opposite end of the widening valley >While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own >Meanders into the common future of destitution >What independence >When clean potable water >The most basic requirement of life >Is a luxury to many >When the best curable diseases >Claim their daily quota on our children >Well before they are born >When parents can no longer be proud of their children >And children can no longer be proud of their parents >For being just and honest >Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption >What independence are we celebrating? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:26:35 +0100 From: Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: What independence? Message-ID: <FBF1001D6A18D1118AC100A0C942F230A687@AVIA-A> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Yes indeed, I wander what independence? As a little boy in primary five I was neatly dressed up by my mother to join the march pass in Macarthy Square. Instead of joining my schoolmates for the parade I sneaked into the crowd of spectators and watched the whole sham from the sidelines. Needless to say I never paraded again. Not that I was conscious of what I was doing at that tender age, but I had a feeling even then, that there was something terribly wrong. It led me many years later to the belief that the will to resist regimentation and oppression is an inborn phenomena. How very right you are. We have nothing to celebrate! A. Kabir Njie. > -----Original Message----- > From: Alpha Robinson [SMTP:garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de] > Sent: 19. februar 1998 13:33 > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: What independence? > > Some reflections on independence day > > What Independence > When after 33 years > We are still battling with poverty > Material poverty > Spiritual poverty > Poverty of will > What Independence > When after 33 years we own not our minds > Our souls and our bodies > What independence > When the birth of a child > Becomes a source of worry > When the death of a family member > Triggers cold trickles of rejoice > When we rejoice instead of crying > And cry instead of rejoicing > What independence > When after 33 years > Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival > When men and women no longer own their conscience > When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile > And intelligence amounts to opportunism > When justice is murdered in cold blood > While we sing dance and rejoice > The same dances > The same parades > What independence > When honesty truthfulness and integrity > Become the enemy of a people > When parents send their children to steal rape and kill > What independence > When young people have to leave their motherland > Their beloved one > Uprooted and already defeated > In search of life > When we fail to provide opportunities for our children > To learn grow and live > What independence > When the cracks on farmers feet > The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin > Keep haunting us after 33 years > When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets > When we live on the crumbs > Leftover by other nations > When leaders still play God with the innocent > When keeping our people ignorant > Seems to be our greatest achievement > What independence > When egoism becomes self-righteous > When the rich and the poor of today > Stand at opposite end of the widening valley > While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own > Meanders into the common future of destitution > What independence > When clean potable water > The most basic requirement of life > Is a luxury to many > When the best curable diseases > Claim their daily quota on our children > Well before they are born > When parents can no longer be proud of their children > And children can no longer be proud of their parents > For being just and honest > Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption > What independence are we celebrating? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:22:16 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980219091849.11814A-100000@vampire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Superb piece Mr. Robinson! I hope people not only get the message but reflect and act on it. "Keep up the good work down there!" Anna On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Alpha Robinson wrote: > Some reflections on independence day > > What Independence > When after 33 years > We are still battling with poverty > Material poverty > Spiritual poverty > Poverty of will > What Independence > When after 33 years we own not our minds > Our souls and our bodies > What independence > When the birth of a child > Becomes a source of worry > When the death of a family member > Triggers cold trickles of rejoice > When we rejoice instead of crying > And cry instead of rejoicing > What independence > When after 33 years > Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival > When men and women no longer own their conscience > When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile > And intelligence amounts to opportunism > When justice is murdered in cold blood > While we sing dance and rejoice > The same dances > The same parades > What independence > When honesty truthfulness and integrity > Become the enemy of a people > When parents send their children to steal rape and kill > What independence > When young people have to leave their motherland > Their beloved one > Uprooted and already defeated > In search of life > When we fail to provide opportunities for our children > To learn grow and live > What independence > When the cracks on farmers feet > The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin > Keep haunting us after 33 years > When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets > When we live on the crumbs > Leftover by other nations > When leaders still play God with the innocent > When keeping our people ignorant > Seems to be our greatest achievement > What independence > When egoism becomes self-righteous > When the rich and the poor of today > Stand at opposite end of the widening valley > While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own > Meanders into the common future of destitution > What independence > When clean potable water > The most basic requirement of life > Is a luxury to many > When the best curable diseases > Claim their daily quota on our children > Well before they are born > When parents can no longer be proud of their children > And children can no longer be proud of their parents > For being just and honest > Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption > What independence are we celebrating? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:22:12 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: African Nations Cup -Update Message-ID: <9802191622.AA30544@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Soccer fans, I am really getting into this ANC competition stuff. My comments are enclosed in braces [[ .... ]] Regards, Moe S. Jallow ********************************************************************* OUAGADOUGOU, Feb 19 (AFP) - The African Nations Cup is wide open as the competition enters the quarter-final stages with four World Cup finalists -- Cameroon, Morocco, South African and Tunisia -- in contention. [[ Cameroon is not what it used to be when Miller was the offense but they still have a little of that touch of the golden years (WC '86 & '90). However, they are my less favorite to win the cup, of the four above. ]] Only Nigeria, Africa's fifth entrant for France '98, are missing after being suspended by the African Confederation (CAF) for not competing in the last finals in South Africa. Congo DR coach Pierre Kalala put it succinctly. "At this stage of the competition, all the teams have earned their places," he said. "There are no easy matches in the quarter-finals and it's anybody's guess who will win." Congo DR, the surprise package of the tournament along with hosts Burkina Faso, play the opening quarter-final against Cameroon on Friday (1600 GMT) in Burkina Faso's second city Bobo-Dioulasso, in the south west of the country. [[ Congo has really been the surprise team of the tournament. Now let's see if they can play with Cameroon the way they did with other teams. Burkina Faso, on the other hand, are playing host; their qualification didn't surprise me a bit. ]] [...] The last quarter-final, perhaps the most eagerly-awaited, is the South Africa v Morocco clash on Sunday (1600 GMT) in Ouagadougou's Municipal stadium. South Africa, despite just two days to prepare for this event after most of their players joined the squad late from Europe, had a resounding 4-1 win over Namibia in their last group match. [[ This could have been the final match! SA's defense will have a lot of work to do overcoming the Moroccan offense. If SA can hold to the end, they may win this match by upset. However, I still favor the Moroccans by a margin of 3:1. ]] Ajax striker Benni McCarthy scored all four goals in that match to blow the fresh air of success through the squad after disappointing opening draws against Angola and Ivory Coast. [[ One more reason why Ajax has the best talented young players in Europe, in my opinion. The recruiters go out and find young players for less money, who are then nortured to fulfill the desirable calibre of soccer. ]] ----------------------- Source: Agence France-Presse (AFP) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:32:11 -0500 From: Lamin Camara <radise@accessv.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Junta claims to recapture city of Bo in Sierra Leone Message-ID: <34EC5E8B.1EFA60B6@accessv.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings: Now that the forces of the ECOMOG have succeeded in ousting the junta (Johnny Koroma and his thugs), but a huge task still lies ahead: The enormous task of rebuilding the nation's already-devastated economy, the restoration and maintenance of peace and stability.... The fact that these thugs have managed to escape/flee into the woods, before they were captured by the forces of the ECOMOG, and are still at large-- in my opinion--still pose a threat to the national security. This war has resulted an enormous loss of innocent lives. [God have mercy on their lives, ...!] Few days ago, I read a report posted on the Web site of the BBC, that Koroma and his forces, were still hiding somewhere in the woods. In fact, according to the reports, he (Koroma) even spoke to a BBC correspondent in London, on a a satellite phone; while still hiding in the woods, threatening that he and his forces were prepared to fight back. [The report about the recent recapture of the city of Bo, by his thugs, in fact, proves the realization of his ... threats.] I think it would be vitally important for the forces of the ECOMOG to take an immediate drastic action, by deploying troops in the townships, in order to protect innocent civilians, who are vulnerable to attacks/ambushes, by these thugs. In fact, according to the reports, witnesses arriving in the nation's capital, on Wednesday, were quoted as saying that Koroma's forces and allied rebels of Revolutionary United Front, were terrorizing innocent civilians in the eastern part of the country; by systematic looting, kidnapping, torching houses and livestock. My question is: how long will such diabolic acts be allowed to continue? When will our continent (Africa) learn a lesson about the devastation of these repetitious coup d'�tats? Time is running out! Regards, Lamin Camara, Toronto. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:53:00 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Junta claims to recapture city of Bo in Sierra Leone Message-ID: <9802191653.AA38850@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lamin camara wrote: > Greetings: > > Now that the forces of the ECOMOG have succeeded in ousting the junta > (Johnny Koroma and his thugs), but a huge task still lies ahead: The [ ... ] > [The report about the recent recapture of the city of Bo, by his > thugs, in fact, proves the realization of his ... threats.] > > Lamin Camara, Toronto. Greetings Lamin, The news about the recapture of Bo has been going on since last week. The truth is, no one really knows for sure whether it is true or not. I have been getting updated information on the S/L crisis from some friends but they all coundln't credit or discredit the report/rumour. Here is one response.... > We've been hearing so many reports > from the International press that Bo > has been recaptured by rebel forces. > Could someone please confirm or > deny this story. I think that it is difficult to confirm or deny this story. What I have heard is that the people of BO themselves are now fighting (both) CDF and AFRC/RUF troops, whoever they really are, since it is becoming difficult for the Bo people to distinguish between who is helping them and who's not. The people are reported to be disgusted by the indiscriminate killings and as such they are protecting themselves. So the entire thing is confusing. The CDF entered Bo to free the people but their reprisal killings seem now to have been misunderstood and taken to mean an act of aggression on the people of Bo. "Who is fighting who?" is a question you and I can't answer. The AFRC/RUF will definitely seize the opportunity to cause more confusion. Note that they already disguised themselves as CDF troops in order to give the CDF the "bad name". I think that the best thing that could happen to the people of Bo is the deployment of ECOMOG troops as soon as possible. The idea of the CDF complementing ECOMOG has both advantages and disadvantages. Without the CDF, I am not sure ECOMOG's victory in Freetown would have come that fast as it did. However, with the CDF and no ECOMOG in the provinces, reprisal killings and the relative lack of a uniform and effective command could result in unpredicable consequences, like what is now evidenced by the case of Bo. CDF and ECOMOG must act in unison. ECOMOG can act independent of CDF but the reverse shouldn't be the case. ________________ end message ----------------------- Regards, Moe S. Jallow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:03:04 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <9802191703.AA14316@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alpha, If all these allegations were so true, as you claim, what the heck are some of us doing celebrating the culpability of Gambia's problems? The tone of your poem is comprehensible but you are only talking about victimisation of Africa and Africans here. Would you rather that we go back to colonialism? As a former "head boy" and my "class prefect" at GHS, I have always admired you all along. However, eventhough you may be more educated, experienced and much older than me, I will still have to say that the true measure of minimum decency during this time (Independence) should be to support the distinctive cause of non-colonialisation. If you take this too harshly and become irritated like you did with Bass, please accept my apology, as Moe does not have time for Cyber-flame-wars. I have more pressing things on my mind, like helping the displaced Sierra Leonean refugees in Guinea, some of whom are my own relatives. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ********************************************************************** mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Some reflections on independence day > > What Independence > When after 33 years > We are still battling with poverty > Material poverty > Spiritual poverty > Poverty of will > What Independence > When after 33 years we own not our minds > Our souls and our bodies > What independence > When the birth of a child > Becomes a source of worry > When the death of a family member > Triggers cold trickles of rejoice > When we rejoice instead of crying > And cry instead of rejoicing > What independence > When after 33 years > Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival > When men and women no longer own their conscience > When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile > And intelligence amounts to opportunism > When justice is murdered in cold blood > While we sing dance and rejoice > The same dances > The same parades > What independence > When honesty truthfulness and integrity > Become the enemy of a people > When parents send their children to steal rape and kill > What independence > When young people have to leave their motherland > Their beloved one > Uprooted and already defeated > In search of life > When we fail to provide opportunities for our children > To learn grow and live > What independence > When the cracks on farmers feet > The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin > Keep haunting us after 33 years > When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets > When we live on the crumbs > Leftover by other nations > When leaders still play God with the innocent > When keeping our people ignorant > Seems to be our greatest achievement > What independence > When egoism becomes self-righteous > When the rich and the poor of today > Stand at opposite end of the widening valley > While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own > Meanders into the common future of destitution > What independence > When clean potable water > The most basic requirement of life > Is a luxury to many > When the best curable diseases > Claim their daily quota on our children > Well before they are born > When parents can no longer be proud of their children > And children can no longer be proud of their parents > For being just and honest > Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption > What independence are we celebrating? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:52:14 -0500 From: globexinc@erols.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Respect for TIME by third world folks!!!!!!! Message-ID: <34EC714E.39BD@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to divert to a subject that is a problem amongst us but instead of looking at this common fault in a negetive way , I want to open the floor to this issue for constructive debate and sussestions. WHAT CAN WE DO TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM ? Why are we hours late(including myself) when we are attending our funtions?? even for weddings,funerals,or even classes?? Is it in our blood ?? or it it just lack of respect for each other? Dr Lamin Mbye last weekend touched on this issue and mentioned the importance of praying on time should also reflect on our daily routines ( God prevers us to pray together and on time also) SO your opinions please and hopefully we will all learn from sharing. Habib Diab-Ghanim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:15:40 -0500 From: Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <34EC76CC.481C@emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WELL ALPHA, THIS WAS A WELL THOUGHT AND WRITTEN POEM FOR ANYONE TO READ. UNFORTUNATELY WHAT I SENSE IN THIS IS A VERY ANGRY MIND THAT HAS SO MUCH ANGER BUILT UP IN IT FOR YEARS AND YEARS BEFORE. MOST OF YOUR THOUGHTS AND STATEMENTS ARE HAPPENING TODAY IN 3RD, 2ND, AND EVEN THE FIRST WORLD NATIONS, AS WE DEBATE RIGHT NOW. I DO AGREE ON SOME OF THEM, ESPECIALLY RELATING TO OUR COUNTRY, GAMBIA, BUT MOST OF YOUR OTHER CLAIMS ARE NOT TRUE. MOST SITUATIONS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. THE TIMING OF THIS KIND VENT FROM YOU IS WELL OUT OF THE TIMES IN THIS DAY AND AGE. YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR AND BACK OVER THE PANT 33YEARS TO COMPILE YOUR THOUGHTS. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE OVERALL SITUATION IN GAMBIA WAS WORST OFF. BUT NOW IS THE TIME TO HELP ON THE IMPROVEMENT OF ALL OF THE AREAS THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED, AND THAT WOULD REALLY BE APPRECIATED US, GAMBIANS. FOR MOST OF US IF NOT ALL, WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE INDEPENDANCE CELEBRATIONS, ARE VERY PROUD IT. THANK GOD WE ARE NOT STILL BEING COLONIZED. NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO GET UP AND HELP YOUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN AND COUNTRYWOMEN, BE BETTER THEN IT IS IN YOUR HEAD. NO ONE IS CLAIMING THAT THERE WERE OR ARE NO PROBLEMS IN OUR COUNTRY, IT YOUR DUTY TOO TO GET UP AND DO SOMETHIHG POSITIVE FOR THE COUNTRY AND BE PROUD OF IT, MY FRIEND. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TOO. DO NOT BE SO BITTER, MY FRIEND. LOOK UP ON THE POSITIVE SIDE. THE SITUATIONS ARE GETTING BETTER AND WILL CONTINUE TO, BY THE GRACE OF GOD THE ALMIGHTY. PEACE KING Alpha Robinson wrote: > > Some reflections on independence day > > What Independence > When after 33 years > We are still battling with poverty > Material poverty > Spiritual poverty > Poverty of will > What Independence > When after 33 years we own not our minds > Our souls and our bodies > What independence > When the birth of a child > Becomes a source of worry > When the death of a family member > Triggers cold trickles of rejoice > When we rejoice instead of crying > And cry instead of rejoicing > What independence > When after 33 years > Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival > When men and women no longer own their conscience > When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile > And intelligence amounts to opportunism > When justice is murdered in cold blood > While we sing dance and rejoice > The same dances > The same parades > What independence > When honesty truthfulness and integrity > Become the enemy of a people > When parents send their children to steal rape and kill > What independence > When young people have to leave their motherland > Their beloved one > Uprooted and already defeated > In search of life > When we fail to provide opportunities for our children > To learn grow and live > What independence > When the cracks on farmers feet > The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin > Keep haunting us after 33 years > When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets > When we live on the crumbs > Leftover by other nations > When leaders still play God with the innocent > When keeping our people ignorant > Seems to be our greatest achievement > What independence > When egoism becomes self-righteous > When the rich and the poor of today > Stand at opposite end of the widening valley > While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own > Meanders into the common future of destitution > What independence > When clean potable water > The most basic requirement of life > Is a luxury to many > When the best curable diseases > Claim their daily quota on our children > Well before they are born > When parents can no longer be proud of their children > And children can no longer be proud of their parents > For being just and honest > Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption > What independence are we celebrating? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:19:13 -0400 (AST) From: cherno@acm.org Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <199802191919.PAA17121@ipv6-1.ee.tuns.ca> Alpha, To your question: > What independence are we celebrating? Well, the independence from colonial rule! :) Are you claiming that the achievement of Independence is not worth celebrating simply because it failed to automagically quench the hardships faced by a developing nation? I think not. At the very least, I think the people who fought for independence all over Africa deserve to be remembered. Independence might not have met the demands of some of us, but it sure is a prerequisite to get us going where we're headed--or is it? With so many questions and hardly any answers, Cherno Waka Jagne, Halifax. cherno@acm.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:34:14 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Jammeh <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> To: "GAMBIA-L (Gambia and related issues)" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Fwd: Personal Ad (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980219133404.1570A-110000@student-mail.jsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=part0_886632468_boundary Content-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980211083354.31068Q@student-mail.jsu.edu> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --part0_886632468_boundary Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: <0_886632468@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:33:59 -0600 (CST) From: Sharon Hanna <st2739@student-mail.jsu.edu> To: Paul Jammeh <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> Subject: Fwd: Personal Ad (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:47:47 EST From: Aubreyhurs@aol.com To: st2739@student-mail.jsu.edu, SHARNETTE@postoffice.worldnet.att.net, pfrederick@fpcg.com, simondm@umdnj.edu, HFBarringtonIII@classic.msn.com, james_hunter@mcgraw-hill.com, don.mullins@lipper.com, kmw@cbsnews.com, r_chandler@nwu.edu, srpetty@mail.utexas.edu, Msreneb@aol.com, cjkh90b@prodigy.com, mica_wilson@seagram.com, Mcarter@ccmc.org, Jsudark@aol.com, TDhowell@swbell.net, ymorrison@na.ko.com, Rod_Cornish@ml.com, faithfu1@ix.netcom.com Subject: Fwd: Personal Ad In a message dated 98-02-03 01:27:35 EST, KYLew17 writes: << Susan was in her late thirties and still not married. She just had a hard time meeting men. And the men she did meet all ended up being jerks. Finally, she decided to place an ad in the personals in the newspaper. She wrote: "Looking for a man who won't beat me, won't leave me, and is excellent in bed." Several days went by and she hadn't gotten a single call. Then, one day she was doing her laundry when she heard a knock on the door. She walked upstairs to answer it. She opened the door and saw a man in a wheelchair with no arms and no legs. "Can I help you?" she asked. He said, "I am the man of your dreams!" She was baffled. She said, "Excuse me." "I read your personal ad in the paper and I am the perfect man for you. I have no arms so I can't beat you. I have no legs so I can never leave you." "But are you good in bed?", she asked. He replied, "How do you think I knocked on the door?!" >> --part0_886632468_boundary Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: <0_886632468@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-Description: From: KYLew17@aol.com Return-path: <KYLew17@aol.com> To: LorisaB@aol.com, LBates4325@aol.com, MMurrayGBR@aol.com, Psmith07@aol.com, Aubreyhurs@aol.com, K.Lew@fordfound.org Subject: Fwd: Personal Ad Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:27:35 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_886632468_boundary" --part1_886632468_boundary Content-ID: <0_886632468@inet_out.mail.aol.com.3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Be careful of how you wish for your partner. You just might get it. --part1_886632468_boundary Content-ID: <0_886632468@inet_out.mail.aol.com.4> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DSTDMM@aol.com Return-path: <DSTDMM@aol.com> To: KAYJAY500@aol.com, MTC17@aol.com, KYLew17@aol.com, Jmhesq@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Personal Ad Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:01:45 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_886632468_boundary" --part2_886632468_boundary Content-ID: <0_886632468@inet_out.mail.aol.com.5> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part2_886632468_boundary Content-ID: <0_886632468@inet_out.mail.aol.com.6> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Sbeachlaw@aol.com Return-path: <Sbeachlaw@aol.com> To: Chasburk@aol.com, Ansted@aol.com, Saintjones@aol.com, TColvin3@aol.com, boscodegama@msn.com, donise.brown@attws.com, Lcbatranch@aol.com, klcabl@umich.edu, D._Cabbell@po-aa1.ccmail.compuserve.com, bdf@tewlaw.com, Huneycup@aol.com, restanm@sa11.state.fl.us, faleroa@sa11.state.fl.us, Dykewrtr@aol.com, RAVENadal@aol.com, malik64@juno.com, DSTDMM@aol.com, Chan294@aol.com Subject: Personal Ad Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:18:27 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Susan was in her late thirties and still not married. She just had a hard time meeting men. And the men she did meet all ended up being jerks. Finally, she decided to place an ad in the personals in the newspaper. She wrote: "Looking for a man who won't beat me, won't leave me, and is excellent in bed." Several days went by and she hadn't gotten a single call. Then, one day she was doing her laundry when she heard a knock on the door. She walked upstairs to answer it. She opened the door and saw a man in a wheelchair with no arms and no legs. "Can I help you?" she asked. He said, "I am the man of your dreams!" She was baffled. She said, "Excuse me." "I read your personal ad in the paper and I am the perfect man for you. I have no arms so I can't beat you. I have no legs so I can never leave you." "But are you good in bed?", she asked. He replied, "How do you think I knocked on the door?!" --part2_886632468_boundary-- --part1_886632468_boundary-- --part0_886632468_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:43:45 -0600 From: Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: What independence? Message-ID: <81F3CC6EBB6FD011917800805FC17836C82AC9@panthers.rbvdnr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I agree that we are celebrating the original independence from colonial rule. As time moves forward, priorities change. The poem to me seemed to address the new priorities and challenges that freedom from colonialism brings. I am not certain that these new entities are completely independent as of yet. I feel that they are experiencing growth pains. I wish The Gambia a Happy Independence Day! Keretha *** Jah Bless the Tie that Binds! > ---------- > From: cherno@acm.org[SMTP:cherno@acm.org] > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 1998 1:19 PM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Re: What independence? > > Alpha, > > To your question: > > > What independence are we celebrating? > > Well, the independence from colonial rule! :) > > Are you claiming that the achievement of > Independence is not worth celebrating simply > because it failed to automagically quench > the hardships faced by a developing nation? > I think not. > > At the very least, I think the people who > fought for independence all over Africa deserve > to be remembered. Independence might not have > met the demands of some of us, but it sure is > a prerequisite to get us going where we're > headed--or is it? > > With so many questions and hardly any answers, > Cherno Waka Jagne, > Halifax. > > cherno@acm.org > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:51:33 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Sierra Leone - BBC Update Message-ID: <9802191951.AA58706@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Latest update on BO and other developments..... 1. Prince Brima reported to BBC from Bo that, Kamajors succesfully ambushed junta forces on the road between bo and Gbaiima Songa today. In the Ensueing battle, 35 junta soldiers were killed while retrieving all the six vehicles they had commandeered from Bo including arms and armunition. A large group of Kamajors are moving on Bo to engage junta troops still occupying the western side of the city. 2. In another development, Kamajors held about six Lebanese in Bumpe Tabei today. Upon seen the lebanese, residents of Bumpe almost lynched them whom they accused of working with the junta in Bo. They were however, given to Kamajor coordinator in Bumpe for onward transfer to security forces in Rutile and then to Freetown. 3. RUF fighters attacked Rukpr today kiling 11 people and wounding 40. Guinean troops who have been sent there. ---------------------- Source: BBC world Service 18:30 GMT ---------------------- Regards, Moe S. Jallow ********************************************************************** mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:11:17 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone - BBC Update Message-ID: <9802192011.AA58690@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Correction.... > > 3. RUF fighters attacked Rukpr today kiling 11 people and wounding 40. > Guinean troops who have been sent there. The above should read: 3. RUF fighters attacked Rukpr today killing 11 people and wounding 40. Guinean troops have been sent there (to help defeat the Junta). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ BTW, Are there any Gambian troops fighting in Sierra Leone (in the ECOMOG contingent forces)? Regards, Moe S. Jallow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:21:27 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Jammeh <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> To: "GAMBIA-L (Gambia and related issues)" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Senegal: Terror in Casamance (AI INDEX: AFR/49/02/98 17 FEBRUARY (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980219141659.1570B-100000@student-mail.jsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks, I just received the below Amnesty Report and thought it may be important to forward it for your comments and awareness. Peace, Paul Jammeh (Jacksonville) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:26:12 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Jatta <st4022@student-mail.jsu.edu> To: paul jammah <st2063@student-mail.jsu.edu> Subject: Senegal: Terror in Casamance (AI INDEX: AFR/49/02/98 17 FEBRUARY (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:47:50 -0500 From: Amnesty International <amnesty@oil.ca> Reply-To: owner-amnesty-l@host.oil.ca To: amnesty-l@oil.ca Subject: Senegal: Terror in Casamance (AI INDEX: AFR/49/02/98 17 FEBRUARY * News Release Issued by the International Secretariat of Amnesty International * AI INDEX: AFR/49/02/98 17 FEBRUARY 1998 Senegal: Terror in Casamance Paris -- "The gendarmes cut off his lips and told him to eat them...The blood began to flow and they ordered me to drink it... Then they stripped me and poured a mixture of molten plastic and petrol over me." This is one of the many testimonies collected by Amnesty International which describes the horror of torture in Casamance, Senegal, where even elderly people and women have not been spared. In its new report,"Senegal: Climate of terror in Casamance", the organization describes how, for the past 15 years, civilians in Casamance have been powerless victims in the conflict and negotiations between the Senegalese Government and the MFDC. A conflict in which the two parties have consciously chosen to terrorize civilians. "Massive violations of human rights cannot be explained away as 'regrettable errors', since the Senegalese army is universally seen as being well-structured and disciplined," Amnesty International said. "These violations clearly imply that responsibility lies with the highest authorities of the State." Receiving an Amnesty International's delegation last year, the Senegalese President Abdou Diouf said he was committed to the rule of law. Yet 10 months after receiving a memorandum detailing cases of torture, unlawful executions and "disappearances", the government has not responded and human rights violations committed by the security forces in Casamance have escalated. Since April 1995, 120 people arrested have been held without trial, with no serious charges against most of them. Many prisoners, most of whom are prisoners of conscience, have been tortured into signing judicial statements and many illiterate people have not had these statements read out to them. On this basis all of them have been "charged with threatening State security and the integrity of the nation.". " In Casamance, many arrests or releases are not a result of judicial decisions, but can be motivated purely by political strategy: to serve as bargaining chips in the Senegalese Government talks with the MFDC," Amnesty International said. In Casamance, torture is used systematically when people are arrested, during the period of garde a[\] vue, when the prisoners are held incommunicado, and when they are being moved by boat from Ziguinchor prison to Dakar prison. Many have been tortured in their own homes in front of their families, before being asked a single question. Arbitrary arrests and torture have become a way of dealing with the crisis. To humiliate and forcibly extract confession from all suspects including women and old people, the army and the Gendarmerie have used a formidable range of techniques: "The gendarmes hit us on every part of the body and the electric current jolted our hearts and ears"; "The gendarmes forced us to hit each other, and blood ran down from some prisoners' ears"; "The electrical current reached my heart; my ears hurt and I couldn't hear anymore. It hurt so much that I tore the wires off"; Dozens of such testimonies and material evidence gathered by Amnesty International show a high level of cruelty and inhumanity. In the conflict, several witnesses have mentioned the role of the army doctors who have treated torture victims without objecting to the practice. It would appear that elderly people have been particularly targeted, and women arrested have been savagely beaten. At Nema gendarmerie in Ziguinchor, one woman had her clothes ripped by blows with a mango tree branch and was left naked in front of other prisoners. Others have been taken hostage by gendarmes who failed to find the person they were looking for. Amnesty International is particularly concerned about the "disappearance" of people arrested by the security forces, and whose fate is unknown and by the recurrent phenomenon of unlawful executions which have resumed since July 1997. The organisation fears that most of these people have been killed and buried in mass graves. If this is true, by refusing to acknowledge victims' deaths, the authorities are denying relatives the natural mourning process that follows the death of a loved one. Since 1990, MFDC has also been responsible for killing villagers who have refused to give them food or money and other civilians suspected of collaborating with the Senegalese authorities. Some killings seem to have been committed on the basis of ethnic criteria. On the night of 7/8 September 1997, MFDC' fighters burst into the youth centre in the village of Djibanar, in the de[/]partement of Se[/]dhiou, and killed some 10 children. For many years, Amnesty International has been denouncing the abuses committed with full impunity by the MFDC against unarmed civilians. The MFDC's political leaders have regularly assured Amnesty International that their fighters are given written instructions to stop their abuses on civilians, with no effect. Amnesty International welcomes the main MFDC leader, Father Diamacoune's recent call for peace in January but stresses that as long as such human rights abuses remain unpunished and nothing is done to prevent further abuses taking place, there can be no serious hope of any improvement in the situation as regards the respect of human rights. ******************************************* MFDC: Mouvement des forces de[/]mocratiques de Casamance, Democratic Forces of Casamance Movement, an armed opposition group which is demanding the independence of this region in southern Senegal. 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If you have problem signing off, contact <owner-amnesty-L@oil.ca> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:52:16 -0500 From: Lamin Camara <radise@accessv.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Leone - BBC Update Message-ID: <34EC9B80.792AB1C8@accessv.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Modou Jallow wrote: > Latest update on BO and other developments..... > > 1. Prince Brima reported to BBC from Bo that, Kamajors succesfully > ambushed junta forces on the road between bo and Gbaiima Songa today. Thanks for the latest update, Moe. I am sure, we are all concerned about the volatile situation in Sierra Leone. Let's pray for the best! Best regards, Lamin Camara. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:32:56 -0500 From: Baboucarr Sillah - GSIT Student <bsillah@aiuniv.edu> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: What independence? Message-ID: <71C35CDEBD9BD011865F00805FA6DA73269D90@WEB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Alpha, I agree vehemently with you pal, at times the truth hurts.....it can't be put any better than you did. Sometimes I wonder "WHY INDEPENDENCE" instead of "WHAT..." Baboucarr Sillah Excellence is the standard... > -----Original Message----- > From: Anna Secka [SMTP:secka@cse.bridgeport.edu] > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 1998 9:22 AM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Re: What independence? > > Superb piece Mr. Robinson! I hope people not only get the message but > reflect and act on it. "Keep up the good work down there!" > > Anna > > On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Alpha Robinson wrote: > > > Some reflections on independence day > > > > What Independence > > When after 33 years > > We are still battling with poverty > > Material poverty > > Spiritual poverty > > Poverty of will > > What Independence > > When after 33 years we own not our minds > > Our souls and our bodies > > What independence > > When the birth of a child > > Becomes a source of worry > > When the death of a family member > > Triggers cold trickles of rejoice > > When we rejoice instead of crying > > And cry instead of rejoicing > > What independence > > When after 33 years > > Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival > > When men and women no longer own their conscience > > When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile > > And intelligence amounts to opportunism > > When justice is murdered in cold blood > > While we sing dance and rejoice > > The same dances > > The same parades > > What independence > > When honesty truthfulness and integrity > > Become the enemy of a people > > When parents send their children to steal rape and kill > > What independence > > When young people have to leave their motherland > > Their beloved one > > Uprooted and already defeated > > In search of life > > When we fail to provide opportunities for our children > > To learn grow and live > > What independence > > When the cracks on farmers feet > > The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin > > Keep haunting us after 33 years > > When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets > > When we live on the crumbs > > Leftover by other nations > > When leaders still play God with the innocent > > When keeping our people ignorant > > Seems to be our greatest achievement > > What independence > > When egoism becomes self-righteous > > When the rich and the poor of today > > Stand at opposite end of the widening valley > > While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own > > Meanders into the common future of destitution > > What independence > > When clean potable water > > The most basic requirement of life > > Is a luxury to many > > When the best curable diseases > > Claim their daily quota on our children > > Well before they are born > > When parents can no longer be proud of their children > > And children can no longer be proud of their parents > > For being just and honest > > Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption > > What independence are we celebrating? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:00:09 -0800 (PST) From: binta njie <galzdemsugar@yahoo.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: New Member Message-ID: <19980220030009.25937.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi GAmbia-lers My name is Binta Njie, the newest member of the list I believe. I graduated from Gambia High in 1984..I am now a graduate student at TIT. Thanks guys. I noticed that Mr Tombong Saidy's address has the extension AOL..how is this?. Is it safe to assume that Mr Saidy is dialing long distance to get online or what. If that's the case, I hope it's not the at the expense of the taxpayers' money. Please let me know because I should be going home shortly. > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:54:45 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: New Member Message-ID: <9802200354.AA44314@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Binta Njie wrote: > > Hi GAmbia-lers > My name is Binta Njie, the newest member of the list I believe. I > graduated from Gambia High in 1984..I am now a graduate student at TIT. > Thanks guys. Welcome to the list Binta Njie. Another GHS alumnus! I always feel good when I encounter those GHS folks on the list. Nice to have you on the list. > I noticed that Mr Tombong Saidy's address has the extension AOL..how > is this?. Is it safe to assume that Mr Saidy is dialing long distance > to get online or what. > If that's the case, I hope it's not the at the expense of the > taxpayers' money. Binta, I couldn't help but chuckle with regards to the above!!!!! Regards, Moe S. Jallow (another GHS alumnus,.... and still chuckling....) **************************************************************** mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:49:52 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Personal Ad (fwd) Message-ID: <19980220044952.4963.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mr. Jammeh, Are you a pervert like my humble self??? Just kidding:-))) Thanks for the forward.....it's good reading such humorous pieces after a long day at the office. I owe you one! Sam. --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Susan was in her late thirties and still not married. She just had a hard > time meeting men. And the men she did meet all ended up being jerks. > Finally, she decided to place an ad in the personals in the newspaper. She > wrote: > > "Looking for a man who won't beat me, won't leave me, and is excellent in >bed." > > Several days went by and she hadn't gotten a single call. Then, one day > she was doing her laundry when she heard a knock on the door. She walked > upstairs to answer it. She opened the door and saw a man in a wheelchair > with no arms and no legs. > > "Can I help you?" she asked. > > He said, "I am the man of your dreams!" > > She was baffled. She said, "Excuse me." > > "I read your personal ad in the paper and I am the perfect man for you. I > have no arms so I can't beat you. I have no legs so I can never leave you." > > "But are you good in bed?", she asked. > > He replied, "How do you think I knocked on the door?!" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:55:12 -0500 (EST) From: Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Junta claims to recapture city of Bo in Sierra Leone Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.94.980219235442.5713A-100000@minerva.cis.yale.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII `Z{Y[S Ebrima Sall Ebrima Sall Agrarian Studies CODESRIA Yale University Box 3304 89, Trumbull Street Dakar, Senegal New Haven, CT 06520 Phone: 221-825 98 22/23 (w) Phone: 203-432 3216 (W) 221-822 53 91 (h) 203-777 1801 (H) Fax : 221-824 12 89 Fax: 203-432 5036 E-mail: codesria@sonatel.senet.net E-mail: ebrima.sall@yale.edu ebrima@sonatel.senet.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:05:54 +0330 From: "Franco" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <19980220025629.AAA3605@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellows, I don't know why a lot of you guys agree with Mr Robinson on his well written poem. It seems llike most of you guys were overwhelmed by the well written manner of the poem and overlooked what it entails. Mr Robinson might be a very educated man but he sure did make a blonder this time. I am proud to be a Gambian and more important to be from an independent nation. Independence will be celebrated as far as I am concerned because we are free from colonialism,,,I believe that's the core of independence. What comes after that is a whole different issue and cannot be achieved over night.Once again this is my opinion but my former teacher Mr Sam Sarr used to say "Reality is Reality' Thank you guys. Lang Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:27:44 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <19980220052745.18696.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mr. Moe Jallow, You've made your point and some of us do concur. However, I beg to disagree for your adding the rejoinder below. Perhaps you are expecting too much from Mr. Robinson. What has someone being your former prefect/more educated person got to do with gambia-l discourse? There is a difference between being civil and being personal...the former applies to you in this case. I therefore see no reason why you have to apologise in advance. We should try to be equal opportunity critics!!! Whether a person is a Prof., high school drop-out, 75 years old or a friend should not be a shield to constructive criticism. A while back, one Mr. Mbye (I believe his first name is Tamsir), wrote an excellent piece in response to Mr. Sulayman Nyang's posting. Eventhough he started by "cheer-leading" Mr. Nyang (the respect he has for him, his accomplishments, etc.) which "I" believe is "prostitution", what happened in the end....Mr. Nyang responded by saying that he (Mr. Mbai) should try to be polite when next he responds to his postings. I am yet to hear from Mr. Mbai since and certainly miss his always thoughtful input in our forum. To cut a long story short, lets judge or critique people on their input on gambia-l and not on their ......... This way we'll all be equal opportunity critics. Peace to ya'll Sam. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >"As a former "head boy" and my "class prefect" at GHS, I have always > admired you all along. However, eventhough you may be more educated, > experienced and much older than me, I will still have to say that >the true measure of minimum decency during this time (Independence) >should be to support the distinctive cause of non-colonialisation. > > If you take this too harshly and become irritated like you did with >Bass, please accept my apology, as Moe does not have time >for Cyber-flame-wars. I have more pressing things on my mind, like >helping the displaced Sierra Leonean refugees in Guinea, some of whom >are my own relatives". > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:42:11 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <9802200542.AA60002@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sir, Your points have been well noted and thank you for the input. It won't happen again, you hear? Regards, Moe S. Jallow ************************************************************* mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mr. Moe Jallow, > > You've made your point and some of us do concur. However, I beg to > disagree for your adding the rejoinder below. Perhaps you are expecting > too much from Mr. Robinson. What has someone being your former > prefect/more educated person got to do with gambia-l discourse? > There is a difference between being civil and being personal...the > former applies to you in this case. I therefore see no reason why you > have to apologise in advance. We should try to be equal opportunity > critics!!! Whether a person is a Prof., high school drop-out, 75 years > old or a friend should not be a shield to constructive criticism. > > A while back, one Mr. Mbye (I believe his first name is Tamsir), wrote > an excellent piece in response to Mr. Sulayman Nyang's posting. > Eventhough he started by "cheer-leading" Mr. Nyang (the respect he has > for him, his accomplishments, etc.) which "I" believe is > "prostitution", what happened in the end....Mr. Nyang responded by > saying that he (Mr. Mbai) should try to be polite when next he responds > to his postings. I am yet to hear from Mr. Mbai since and certainly miss > his always thoughtful input in our forum. > > To cut a long story short, lets judge or critique people on their input > on gambia-l and not on their ......... This way we'll all be equal > opportunity critics. > > Peace to ya'll > Sam. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >"As a former "head boy" and my "class prefect" at GHS, I have always > > admired you all along. However, eventhough you may be more educated, > > experienced and much older than me, I will still have to say that >the > true measure of minimum decency during this time (Independence) >should > be to support the distinctive cause of non-colonialisation. > > > > If you take this too harshly and become irritated like you did with > >Bass, please accept my apology, as Moe does not have time >for > Cyber-flame-wars. I have more pressing things on my mind, like > >helping the displaced Sierra Leonean refugees in Guinea, some of whom > >are my own relatives". > > > > Regards, > > Moe S. Jallow > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:04:17 PST From: "Sambujang Kouyateh" <kouyateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <19980220060417.2283.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mr. Jallow, I hear you loud and clear. Thank you for thanking me! Night night, Sam. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Sir, > >Your points have been well noted and thank you for the input. It >won't happen again, you hear? > >Regards, >Moe S. Jallow ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:01:21 -0600 From: Francis Njie <c3p0@xsite.net> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980220010121.0073a058@xsite.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And I thought I was depressed over the status quo! I would rather not tarnish the commendable artistry of Alpha's poem with critique and instead see the poem as a statement of the majority of the ills that exist and some of the ills that could potentially become rampant. I however think the lack of a decent estimate of the "half-life of colonialism" as it pertains to our part of the world (and in a rapidly changing world) makes it difficult to judge the significance of 33 years as opposed to say 60 years. I also have more questions than answers and more importantly feel amply powerless with respect to the status quo... I only hope that the cycle of poor governance, virtual economic stagnation, coup d'etats, flagrant violations of civil liberties, and the "brain drain" is not self-sustaining, i.e. not an unyielding feedback system, and that we can find effective ways to contribute towards alleviating these ills while "out here". - Francis At 12:33 PM 2/19/98 MET, you wrote: >Some reflections on independence day > >What Independence >When after 33 years >We are still battling with poverty >Material poverty >Spiritual poverty >Poverty of will >What Independence >When after 33 years we own not our minds >Our souls and our bodies >What independence >When the birth of a child >Becomes a source of worry >When the death of a family member >Triggers cold trickles of rejoice >When we rejoice instead of crying >And cry instead of rejoicing >What independence >When after 33 years >Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival >When men and women no longer own their conscience >When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile >And intelligence amounts to opportunism >When justice is murdered in cold blood >While we sing dance and rejoice >The same dances >The same parades >What independence >When honesty truthfulness and integrity >Become the enemy of a people >When parents send their children to steal rape and kill >What independence >When young people have to leave their motherland >Their beloved one >Uprooted and already defeated >In search of life >When we fail to provide opportunities for our children >To learn grow and live >What independence >When the cracks on farmers feet >The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin >Keep haunting us after 33 years >When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets >When we live on the crumbs >Leftover by other nations >When leaders still play God with the innocent >When keeping our people ignorant >Seems to be our greatest achievement >What independence >When egoism becomes self-righteous >When the rich and the poor of today >Stand at opposite end of the widening valley >While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own >Meanders into the common future of destitution >What independence >When clean potable water >The most basic requirement of life >Is a luxury to many >When the best curable diseases >Claim their daily quota on our children >Well before they are born >When parents can no longer be proud of their children >And children can no longer be proud of their parents >For being just and honest >Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption >What independence are we celebrating? > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:14:00 PST From: "seedy kanyi" <seedyk@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <19980220071402.17051.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Great thanks to Mr. Robinson and all the others contributing to the discourse on Gambia Independence. It is quite good to ask the question: What have we as gambians achieved since the attainment of Independence? I am of the opinion that the answer to this question is not difficult to find. But the bigger and more important question is: What are we doing as Gambians to see our dreams at the time Independence come true? There one important thing we have to note. Staying in the Developed World, being tempted more by the 'sweet' life there to stay even longer and hardly genuinely thinking about Gambia's problems will never help in any way. We keep blaming the political leadership for failing us. But if the those who really have the great minds to take the captainship of the nation are constantly shying away from it, the fools will capitalize. I would propose that the diasporan Gambians form a voluntary repatriation body and go back home to better the conditions. If this proposal sounds too blunt, though frank, I didn't mean to hurt any one. It is only meant to rescue Beloved Gambia from the crushing jaws of poverty. The 'lands of milk and honey' we talk about did not come from the blue. It was the toil, blood and sacrifice of their intellectuals, political, societal and religious leaders that produced what we are enjoying now. Love and salaam!!! Regards Seedy K. >From gambia-l-owner@u.washington.edu Thu Feb 19 22:39:52 1998 >Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) > by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP > id WAA00329; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:39:46 -0800 >Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP > id WAA54844 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:39:35 -0800 >Received: from shaggy.xsite.net (qmailr@shaggy.xsite.net [206.126.224.7]) > by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP > id WAA21447 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:39:33 -0800 >Received: (qmail 9098 invoked by uid 91); 20 Feb 1998 00:39:31 -0600 >Received: from xs3-113.xsite.net (HELO c3po.enteract.com) (206.126.236.113) > by shaggy.xsite.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 1998 00:39:31 -0600 >Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980220010121.0073a058@xsite.net> >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:01:21 -0600 >Reply-To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu >Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: Francis Njie <c3p0@xsite.net> >To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: What independence? >In-Reply-To: <341C647038@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >X-Sender: c3p0@xsite.net >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >And I thought I was depressed over the status quo! I would rather not >tarnish the commendable artistry of Alpha's poem with critique and instead >see the poem as a statement of the majority of the ills that exist and some >of the ills that could potentially become rampant. > >I however think the lack of a decent estimate of the "half-life of >colonialism" as it pertains to our part of the world (and in a rapidly >changing world) makes it difficult to judge the significance of 33 years as >opposed to say 60 years. > >I also have more questions than answers and more importantly feel amply** >powerless with respect to the status quo... I only hope that the cycle of >poor governance, virtual economic stagnation, coup d'etats, flagrant >violations of civil liberties, and the "brain drain" is not >self-sustaining, i.e. not an unyielding feedback system, and that we can >find effective ways to contribute towards alleviating these ills while "out >here". > >- Francis > > >At 12:33 PM 2/19/98 MET, you wrote: >>Some reflections on independence day >> >>What Independence >>When after 33 years >>We are still battling with poverty >>Material poverty >>Spiritual poverty >>Poverty of will >>What Independence >>When after 33 years we own not our minds >>Our souls and our bodies >>What independence >>When the birth of a child >>Becomes a source of worry >>When the death of a family member >>Triggers cold trickles of rejoice >>When we rejoice instead of crying >>And cry instead of rejoicing >>What independence >>When after 33 years >>Masquerading is a prerequisite for survival >>When men and women no longer own their conscience >>When the educated become gagged maimed and sterile >>And intelligence amounts to opportunism >>When justice is murdered in cold blood >>While we sing dance and rejoice >>The same dances >>The same parades >>What independence >>When honesty truthfulness and integrity >>Become the enemy of a people >>When parents send their children to steal rape and kill >>What independence >>When young people have to leave their motherland >>Their beloved one >>Uprooted and already defeated >>In search of life >>When we fail to provide opportunities for our children >>To learn grow and live >>What independence >>When the cracks on farmers feet >>The marks of poverty on our clothes and skin >>Keep haunting us after 33 years >>When we mortgage our souls and future in international markets >>When we live on the crumbs >>Leftover by other nations >>When leaders still play God with the innocent >>When keeping our people ignorant >>Seems to be our greatest achievement >>What independence >>When egoism becomes self-righteous >>When the rich and the poor of today >>Stand at opposite end of the widening valley >>While the mixture of blood and tears of our very own >>Meanders into the common future of destitution >>What independence >>When clean potable water >>The most basic requirement of life >>Is a luxury to many >>When the best curable diseases >>Claim their daily quota on our children >>Well before they are born >>When parents can no longer be proud of their children >>And children can no longer be proud of their parents >>For being just and honest >>Seems to be a luxury denied by poverty and corruption >>What independence are we celebrating? >> >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:49:22 +0100 (MET) From: v5bubbad@ulmo.stud.slu.se (Buba Badjie) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Unsubscribe Message-ID: <199802200749.IAA26070@ulmo.stud.slu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hej List manager! Unsubscribe untill further notice. I Shall be away for a while . Thank you. =10 @=80 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:16:51 PST From: "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <19980220081651.27943.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain I am sure Alpha is intelligent enough to argue about his poem but he did not mentioned anywhere that he preferred to be still living under british rule. We are free to either accept that his statements are facts and we try in our daily lives as Gambians to do something to improve them or we pretend that they do not exist. Momodou Camara ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:18:08 -0000 From: Fatou Jobe <Fatou.Jobe@halliburton.com> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: New Member Message-ID: <43AEA19B4857D111B57600805F193CE26C56CF@LONEXCH002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hello you all, I am also a new member and my name is Fatou Jobe. I am a Saint High School Alumni but I did go to G.H.S. for a year (sixth form). Right now I am studying Quantity Surveying at Nottingham Trent Univ. Good bye Fatou J -----Original Message----- From: binta njie [SMTP:galzdemsugar@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 20, 1998 3:00 AM To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List Subject: New Member Hi GAmbia-lers My name is Binta Njie, the newest member of the list I believe. I graduated from Gambia High in 1984..I am now a graduate student at TIT. Thanks guys. I noticed that Mr Tombong Saidy's address has the extension AOL..how is this?. Is it safe to assume that Mr Saidy is dialing long distance to get online or what. If that's the case, I hope it's not the at the expense of the taxpayers' money. Please let me know because I should be going home shortly. > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 1998 12:22:44 Z From: OmarSheik.Saho@ulleval.oslohelse.telemax.no To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: RE. WHAT INDEPENDENCE Message-ID: <"920 98/02/20 13:22*/c=no/admd=telemax/prmd=oslohelse/o=ulleval/s=Saho/g=OmarSheik/"@MHS> Content-Identifier: 920 98/02/20 Content-Return: Prohibited Alpha, first and foremost I must say thanks for a nice and well articulated piece which some call poem, but I will say this was a mental drill for the awakening of the spirits of enquiry among ourselves. I would also like to add the some of our achievements after 33 years of nationhood. DEPENDENCY AND MENTAL SLAVERY DRUGS AND FAMILY DISORDER ECONOMIC STRUGGLES AND PREJUDICE BIASED EDUCATION AND POVERTY OPPRESSION AND SEGREGATION Our independence is just a one BIG PARTY <MBOUM BAYE> once a year. WHEN WILL IT END???? FRANCO wrote:� I am proud to be a Gambian and more important to be to be from a an independent nation. Independence will be celebrated as far I am concerned because we are free from colonialism...� Yes you are from a free nation and what did you achieve just one huge bill every year. Unfortunately the true state of affairs is vastly different as community we lost since a very long time. All creative urge our present achievements in the last few decades in industry, politics, education and health are purely imitative fiascos. During my old schooldays in <obligatory> primary schools, books, tables, and chairs/benches were free. Plastacine to make creative intelligence. Mats during physical education lessons mailboards to practice writing with chalk. But now the parents have to afford chairs, tables, by books and pay school fund and yet we are claiming free education. There are no more plastacines, mailboards, mats and chalk is scared the children have to sew dusters. Please lets try to have time sense developed. CHERNO WAKA JAGNE wrote: � At the very least I think people who fought for independence all over Africa deserve to be remembered. Bro. we didn�t fought for our independence it came by air freight. That�s our reason for our one big party <MBOUM BAYE> once a year. Wearing titles like OBE - Obedient Boy of the Empire <Order of the British Empire>, ORG Organisation of Rich Gambians <Order of the Republic of the Gambia> KCMG- Kindly Call Me Governor <Knight Commander ST. Michael and ST. George> etc. KING wrote:� This was well thought and written poem for anyone to read. Unfortunately what I sense in this is a very angry mind that has so much anger built up in for years and years before�. My brother why the anxiety Anger is to cry, feel sorry, angry, bitter, sympathetic and friendly. Si kaira Omar S. Saho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:23:08 -0500 From: "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: What independence? Message-ID: <34ED83BC.6D4D@Mail.lig.bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alpha Robinson wrote: > > Some reflections on independence day > > What Independence > When after 33 years > We are still battling with poverty >........ I say: (1)Celebrate formal independence, (2)Recognize economic dependency / neo-colonialism, (3)Rectify over three decades of economic decadence, political corruption, bureaucratic ineptitude, etc. (4)Resist usurpation of freedoms evident under current regime (5)Contribute to shaping a better future for The Gambia Salaam! Amadou SJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:42:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: UPDATE ON GAYE AND SILLAH Message-ID: <199802201342.IAA26521@aspen.ffr.mtu.edu> Thanks to Foroyaa for the update on Baboucarr and Ebrima. Malanding Jaiteh > From GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Sun Feb 15 21:21:40 1998 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:48:03 -0000 > From: "foroyaa@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: UPDATE ON GAYE AND SILLAH > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Priority: 3 > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > Sent by "Foroyaa" <foroyaa@commit.gm> > via Commit > > > It appears that some concerned persons are still under the notion that > Baboucarr Gaye and Ebrima Sillah are still under detention. It is our duty > to give you an update that Baboucarr and Ebrima are released. > > Ebrima Sillah was released on saturday, 7 February, 1998 and has not been > charged. Baboucarr Gaye was released on the 8 February, 1998, then detained > again when he reported on bail, but subsequently released on Thursday, 12 > February, 1998. He is charged for operating a radio station without > licence. We will give you a more detailed report in due course. > > ------------------------------

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