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Screensize: 640 x 480 800 x 600 1024 x 768 1280 x 1024 UserName: Password: Format Mode: Basic  Help  Prompt  Format: Videos: Font Andale Mono Arial Arial Black Book Antiqua Century Gothic Comic Sans MS Courier New Georgia Impact Lucida Console Script MT Bold Stencil Tahoma Times New Roman Trebuchet MS Verdana   Size 1 2 3 4 5 6   Color Black Red Yellow Pink Green Orange Purple Blue Beige Brown Teal Navy Maroon LimeGreen Message: * HTML is OFF * Forum Code is ON Smilies [quote][i]Originally posted by Momodou[/i] [br] GAMBIA-L Digest 104 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Unsubcribe by Yusupha AK Ceesay <yusupha@elephantwalk.com> 2) Re-enlistment in the Bush by "Dr. Amadou S. Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> 3) Re: Is It In Our Nature : A Discussion With Mr.Sidibeh!! by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 4) Is It In Our Nature: A Discussion With Mr.Sidibeh - A CORRECTION! by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 5) An article I sent to Observer news paper in The Gambia!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy!!!!!!!! by nahak@juno.com (Michael J Gomez) 6) Re: New Members by LBojang <LBojang@aol.com> 7) (Fwd) Looking for Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anta Diop. by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 8) Re: Gambia Education Support Plan/ REMINDER by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> 9) telefone # by ABA LM <ABALM@aol.com> 10) Re: unlist by Matthew Belford <ebbs@is2.dal.ca> 11) New Member by "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com> 12) Re: KYSU UNDERGRAD. FORMS by "malang maane" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 13) Re: KYSU UNDERGRAD. FORMS by "malang maane" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 14) webpage by "malang maane" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 15) Subscribe new member by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 16) Re: Is It In Our Nature : A Discussion With Mr.Sidibeh!! by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 17) Re: GambiaNet's Progress Report & Response to Recent Inquiries/ by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 18) New Member - Edi Jallow by "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com> 19) Re: France '98 by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 20) Hello Dr. Kah by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 21) Re: Is It In Our Nature: A Discussion With Mr.Sidibeh - A CORRECTION! by Per Grotnes <perg@nfh.uit.no> 22) Re: SV: Endangered Gambian Beaches!! by Abdou O Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no> 23) Re: Nigerians in South Africa! (fwd) by Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk> 24) Re: SV: Endangered Gambian Beaches!! by Fafa Sanyang <fsanyang@is2.dal.ca> 25) Re: Nigerians in South Africa! (fwd) by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 26) Re: France '98 by "ffhc.banjul@commit.gm" <gambia-l@COMMIT.GM> 27) Subscription by BAKSAWA <BAKSAWA@aol.com> 28) Re: Subscription by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 29) This just in.... by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 30) 01/19-19:34 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 31) 01/19-19:34 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 32) New Passports by "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 33) Re: Toshiba Laptops by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 34) The Gambia has a Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs by TSaidy1050 <TSaidy1050@aol.com> 35) Re: Toshiba Laptops by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 36) Re: The Gambia has a Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 37) 01/19-21:37 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 38) 01/19-21:37 Automatic MimeLink Message (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 39) 01/19-22:40 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 40) 01/19-22:40 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 41) Re: This just in.... by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 42) Re: Bush List by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 43) Re: telefone # by badjie karafa sw <badjiek@unixg.ubc.ca> 44) Re: (Fwd) Looking for Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anta Diop. by "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> 45) Re: New Passports by Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> 46) Re: (Fwd) Looking for Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anta by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 47) 01/19-23:42 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 48) 01/19-23:42 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 49) 01/19-23:42 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 50) 01/19-23:42 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 51) 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 52) 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 53) 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 54) 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 55) 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 56) 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 57) 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 58) 01/20-08:53 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 59) 01/20-09:58 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 60) 01/20-09:58 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 61) Re: 01/19-21:37 Automatic MimeLink Message (fwd) by mmjeng@image.dk 62) 01/20-11:18 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 63) 01/20-12:09 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 64) 01/20-12:09 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 65) Re: SV: Endangered Gambian Beaches!! by "Housainou Taal"<Housainou.Taal@wfp.org> 66) RE: 01/19-21:37 Automatic MimeLink Message (fwd) by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> 67) Crawling from DAKAR to BANJUL!!! by Theodor Stenevang med <v97tst@sokrates.mip.ki.se> 68) 01/20-14:20 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 69) 01/20-14:19 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 70) 01/20-14:19 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 71) SV: Is It In Our Nature : A Discussion With Mr.Sidibeh!! by "Momodou S Sidibeh" <momodou.sidibeh@stockholm.mail.telia.com> 72) SV: Is It Our Nature: A Discussion With Mr.Sidibeh!! by "Momodou S Sidibeh" <momodou.sidibeh@stockholm.mail.telia.com> 73) SV: Is It In Our Nature : A Discussion With Mr.Sidibeh!! by "Momodou S Sidibeh" <momodou.sidibeh@stockholm.mail.telia.com> 74) Re: New Member (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 75) Re: SV: Endangered Gambian Beaches!! by Fafa Sanyang <fsanyang@is2.dal.ca> 76) Re: 01/20-14:19 Automatic MimeLink Message by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 77) CORRECTION by "Momodou S Sidibeh" <momodou.sidibeh@stockholm.mail.telia.com> 78) Re: 01/20-14:19 Automatic MimeLink Message by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 79) Re: Subscribe new member by Bolsey225 <Bolsey225@aol.com> 80) Re: New Passports by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 81) Re: 01/20-14:19 Automatic MimeLink Message---Humor of the Day!!!!!!! by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 82) 01/20-17:23 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 83) 01/20-17:23 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 84) 01/20-17:23 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 85) 01/20-17:23 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 86) 01/20-17:23 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 87) 01/20-17:23 Automatic MimeLink Message by postmaster@nsw.no 88) (Fwd) DELETE GAMBIA-L XXXXXXXX postmaster@nsw.no by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 89) Re: 01/20-17:23 Automatic MimeLink Message - Here we go again !!!!!! by Solomon Sylva <ssylva@emory.edu> 90) Re: Subscribe new member by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 91) FW: by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@prc.com> 92) Recent error messages by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 93) cancer research in the gambia by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@prc.com> 94) new member by Bolsey225 <Bolsey225@aol.com> 95) 25 years ago today.... by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 96) Singhateh: Closer to Being Veep? by "Dr. Amadou S. Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> 97) Caught in the cross-fire by "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com> 98) Re: Singhateh: Closer to Being Veep? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 99) Re: Caught in the cross-fire by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 100) Is it in Our Nature by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk> 101) SV: Is it in Our Nature by "Momodou S Sidibeh" <momodou.sidibeh@stockholm.mail.telia.com> 102) Re: Is it in Our Nature by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 103) Hotels and resthouses in The Gambia by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk> 104) Graduate Assistantships Available by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 105) Re: Hotels and resthouses in The Gambia by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 106) New members by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 107) DEASE-PEOPLE: News of the Dumb (fwd) by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu> 108) Re: DEASE-PEOPLE: News of the Dumb (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 109) (Fwd) Message from Momodou Buhary Gassama by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 110) Re: DEASE-PEOPLE: News of the Dumb (fwd) by "JALLOW,ABDOULIE SIREH,MR" <B6L6@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> 111) Re: Singhateh: Closer to Being Veep? by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 112) Re: Crawling from DAKAR to BANJUL!!! by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 113) Re: New members by ELLA23K <ELLA23K@aol.com> 114) Re: Message from Momodou Buhary Gassama by Tamsir Mbai <mba4224@etbu.edu> 115) Re: Singhateh: WHY DOUBT????? by Musa Sonko <msonko@yahoo.com> 116) Re: Singhateh: WHY DOUBT????? by Abdou O Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no> 117) New addition to list by Alieu Badara Senghore <A.B.Senghore@reading.ac.uk> 118) SV: (Fwd) Message from Momodou Buhary Gassama by "Momodou S Sidibeh" <momodou.sidibeh@stockholm.mail.telia.com> 119) SV: Message from Momodou Buhary Gassama by "Momodou S Sidibeh" <momodou.sidibeh@stockholm.mail.telia.com> 120) Clinton To Visit Ghana (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 121) Re: DEASE-PEOPLE: News of the Dumb (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 122) Re: Singhateh: Closer to Being Veep? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 123) Re: Crawling from DAKAR to BANJUL!!! by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 124) Re: Crawling from DAKAR to BANJUL!!! by Svend Ole Kvilesjo <svendok@online.no> 125) Re: Singhateh: WHY DOUBT????? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 126) GESO document approval- final call by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 127) GESO document part 1 of 3 by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 128) Re: GESO document part 2 of 3 by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 129) Re: GESO document part 3 of 3 by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 130) Re: New members by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 131) Re: Message from Momodou Buhary Gassama by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 132) Dumping on the developing world (fw) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 133) New Member by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 134) Re: SV: (Fwd) Message from Momodou Buhary Gassama by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 135) by a.davis@lycosemail.com 136) Re: GESO document part 1 of 3 by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 137) Re: Singhateh: Closer to Being Veep? by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 138) Re: Crawling from DAKAR to BANJUL!!! by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 139) Re: Singhateh: Closer to Being Veep? by "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> 140) Re: by ELLA23K <ELLA23K@aol.com> 141) Re: New members by ELLA23K <ELLA23K@aol.com> 142) Is it a New Gambia by JENGFANNEH <JENGFANNEH@aol.com> 143) Re: New addition to list by ELLA23K <ELLA23K@aol.com> 144) Re: Is it a New Gambia by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 145) re:conference by "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> 146) Re: Is it a New Gambia by "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> 147) RE : Caught in the Cross-fire by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> 148) New Member by Alieu Badara Senghore <A.B.Senghore@reading.ac.uk> 149) Joke (again) (fwd) by Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk> 150) introduction by "Saikou Marong" <smarong@hotmail.com> 151) Re: Is it a New Gambia by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 152) Email Update by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 153) RE: Joke (again) (fwd) by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> 154) Re: KYSU UNDERGRAD. FORMS by "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com> 155) RE: Hotels and resthouses in The Gambia by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 156) The Day Baboon Wept For Teachers (JOKE) by "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 157) Re: Email Update by Jaimus <Jaimus@aol.com> 158) RE: Email Update by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 159) Re: Email Update by Jaimus@aol.com 160) Re: Is it a New Gambia by "sillah conateh" <sillahconateh@hotmail.com> 161) Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri by "sillah conateh" <sillahconateh@hotmail.com> 162) Re: Joke by "sillah conateh" <sillahconateh@hotmail.com> 163) Re: Joke by "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> 164) new member by "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> 165) Is it a New Gambia continues with Part 2 by JENGFANNEH <JENGFANNEH@aol.com> 166) Re: KYSU UNDERGRAD. FORMS by "malang maane" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> 167) Part 3 cont by JENGFANNEH@aol.com 168) New address and members by "Anthony Loum" <sambabalangarr@classic.msn.com> 169) Re: Part 3 cont by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 170) Re: School reunion by ELLA23K <ELLA23K@aol.com> 171) Re: Is it a New Gambia by ELLA23K <ELLA23K@aol.com> 172) Is it a New Gambia? by Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk> 173) Re: Part 3 cont by lamin marenah <keita@rocketmail.com> 174) Re: Is it a New Gambia by TSaidy1050@aol.com 175) private mails by "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> 176) Re: Part 3 cont by "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> 177) mail overload? by "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> 178) Re: Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri by BAKSAWA <BAKSAWA@aol.com> 179) Re: Joke by BAKSAWA <BAKSAWA@aol.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 02:52:32 -0500 From: Yusupha AK Ceesay <yusupha@elephantwalk.com> To: "'Gambia L'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Unsubcribe Message-ID: <01BD23BC.612E73E0@remote172.channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD23BC.617ABF20" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD23BC.617ABF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please can you take my name of your mailing list A.S.P. Yusupha. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:19:45 -0500 From: "Dr. Amadou S. Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re-enlistment in the Bush Message-ID: <34C21D91.3F13@Mail.lig.bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Compatriots: please re-enlist me on the Bush List. I wondered into the Sahara Desert, but I'm back. Peace! I wish everyone a prosperous 1998! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:08:17 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Is It In Our Nature : A Discussion With Mr.Sidibeh!! Message-ID: <01bd242b$49cb5d20$302185c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Part Two: - 1)You reasoned that the instability and economic stagnation we are faced with has its source in our inability to organize and sustain mass-oriented organizations;but you did not explain whether this incapacity to organize ourselves is a relatively new phenomenon in Black Africa or whether that has always been the case,bearing in mind here the organizational sophistication of the Mali Empire,its commercial prosperity and the diversity of the ethnic groups in it. 2) You Explained that a major reason why social bonds weaken between Gambians in the Diaspora is that when the longest resident Gambians become much more comfortable economically and culturally in the new country,they tend to withdraw.That surely must have serious organizational consequences, since they are the much more experienced ones! But is this phenomenon a uniquely Gambian desease ? 3)You Mentioned that for us to understand fully the factors responsible for our incapacity to organize ourselves,we must go back to Gambia and see the experiences and backgrounds that we as individuals are exposed to as children.I would have thought that because rural Gambia is highly organized according to age groups,Rural Gambia should have been able to produce (as opposed to our towns and cities) individuals who are very competent at organizing the youths,but that does not seem to be the case.I can't see that the average guy/gal from Gunjurr or Kartong is better at organizing people than,say,a guy/gal from the Sukuru City! 4) You Disagreed with the notion that it is in the nature of the Gambians to be inimical to the interest of the group or to hate seeing other gambians succeed.You refuted that by arguing that many of those gambians who were brought up in liberal and tolerant families are indeed opened-minded and have very generous spirits.But are those not the exceptions that prove the rule?! 5)You Gave a brief run down of the history of the Gambian organization in Sweden and its contribution to the welfare of gambians in that country;and you argued that the former success and cohesiveness of that organization is evidence that Gambians can indeed come together abroad and achieve great things,and you went on to say that the now lackluster performance of that organization is the result of the founding fathers (the Moja members) withdrawal because of loss of enthusiasm or disillusionment.But you did not explain the reason for that disillusionment; and you did not touch on the fact that African leaders ( country or organization leaders) are aversed to recruiting their heirs (the younger people who could take their places in the future),which is primarily responsible for the choas and dysfunction that follows whenever a strong and efficient leader is replaced in Africa and African organizations. 6) You Argued that Gambians do not have the sense of national identity that countries such as Eritrea and uganda have.You said that that is because the histories and tragedies of those two countries produced a kind of bonding between the citizens of those countries that has no parallel in the gambian Case.But is violent history the only condition that produces such bonding? Are our post-independent leaders' lack of the vision and foresight to aggressively construct a unifying national identity also not to blame?! 7)You Disagreed with the notion that most well informed gambians know the analyses of the problems that afflict our nation;and you argued that if such a knowledge was available,solutions could have been found very easily by us as a society,which clearly is not the case right now.But I tend to incline towards Latdjor here: Gambian Culture is an Moralized one.The spoken word has some magic to it, so that sometimes powerful oral analyses could be confused with powerful practical solutions.That is why "follow-up" is not so much part of Gambian culture. Regards Bassss! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:20:52 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Is It In Our Nature: A Discussion With Mr.Sidibeh - A CORRECTION! Message-ID: <01bd242d$0c0c41a0$302185c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Part Two: CORRECTION:- The Sentence: "Gambian Culture is an Moralized one" should have read : " Gambian Culture is an ORALIZED one" Regards Bassss! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:06:08 -0500 From: nahak@juno.com (Michael J Gomez) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: An article I sent to Observer news paper in The Gambia!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <19980118.120610.5046.0.nahak@juno.com> 1-17-98 EDUCATION FOR A SUSTAINABLE AFRICAN SOCIETY "Be not dismayed, O peoples of the world, when the daystar of my beauty is set, and the heaven of My tabernacle is concealed from your eyes. Arise to further My Cause, and to exalt My Word amongst men. We are with you at all times. Whoso hath recognized Me will arise and serve Me with such determination that the powers of earth and heaven shall be unable to defeat his purpose." Baha'u'llah, Section 38, THE KITÁB-I-AQDAS. "Therefore, whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, who built his house upon a rock; and the rain decended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon the house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, sahll be likened unto a foolish man, who built his house upon the sand: and the rain decended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." Jesus of Nazareth, Matthew, verses 24-27, THE HOLY BIBLE. "Who is there that will offer to Allah a good gift so He will double it for him, and he shall have an excellent reward. On that day you will see the faithful man and the faithful women - their light running before them - good news for you today: gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide therein, that is the grand achievement." Surah LVII, vrs.11,12, THE QURÁN Education for a sustainable African society is something that we, as Africans, need to think deeply about in order to come up with ideas so that we all can be part of its implementation. It is easy for one to say, "I'm going to import all the textbooks that are published and used in Western institutions, such as those in the United States, Great Britain, France, Germany or any other European country", but it is harder to think about whether those type of textbooks, teaching aids, and teachers' guides can be used in Africa. We should first ask, "What purpose will doing this serve? Will the information those materials contain be applicable to the current situations in African nations?" I believe that if we Africans truly desire to create and maintain education for a sustainable African society, we should look beyond our short- term role as consumer, and become citizens of Africa, people who can utilize the things they have at hand in our own nations. By doing this, we will be able to maintain ourselves by utilizing, in a more effective way, what we produce in our own society. Then, our children will feel more proud of us and be prepared to pass on the skills we have taught them, which they have gladly benefited from, to future generations. To me, education for a sustainable African society means for us, as groups of African citizens of diverse communities, to brainstorm and then prioritize issues, as well as, come up with implementation plans in regard to those issues. In this way, each and every one of us will recognize that we, individually, are responsible for the results and effects of those ideas all of us came up with via a consensus process. In doing this, we will be proud when we will realize that utilizing consensus is a method with which we can come up with positive ideas that will enhance and enrich the institutions that we have in our own African society. How long shall we Africans be willing to remain beggars throughout the history of human society? I believe this will change if we take up our responsibility to become more accountable, to become more concerned, to realize that we are human beings. As long as we are willing to remain as beggars, we devalue our own selves, our own society, our own nation and our own people; this, I believe. I am completely convinced that this is a shame to all African nations. It is a shame to African intellectuals. It is a shame to have Africans who leave Africa and go to other countries because the only thing they dream about is importing things they have seen in Western societies, instead of coming up with ideas of how they can create those things in their own land, our Africa. I believe that we have a long way to go, not only to become self-sustainable individuals in our own society but also, we have a long way to go in order to become humans who can be accountable for what goes on in their own society. So often, we spend most of our time blaming, pointing fingers, gossiping, sitting around saying someone has to do it. The question I ask myself and fellow Africans is, "Who is that somebody we are talking about all the time?" I believe if you take a minute to think about how we always point our finger at somebody, you will see that it is your own finger that you use to do this. If you point your finger at someone, that person is going to point his or her finger at you. What does it mean when we point our fingers at each other? It means we are each saying, "I am not responsible." If you are not responsible, who else will be responsible for the problems of our society? Yes, we often say we have conflict, bad government, our teachers are not well educated, and we appear to have no resources and materials at this time. No one will ever, ever, create those things for us. We, ourselves, have to do it. I have begun to ask this question: "How long shall we Africans be willing remain to be like this?" I am deeply concerned. I am concerned that we tend to forget all the things our ancestors have done for us. They were not depending on anyone to serve them. Nor were they depending on anyone to help them. They were depending on their own skills, their land, their resources and the intelligence that God gave them. Why are we no longer making good use of this, as they did? I ask myself this question. I ask every African I meet this question. I want you to also to ask yourself this question because it is only when we begin to challenge ourselves can we thereby realize that we actually do have skills, intelligence, and knowledge. We, as Africans, can use all these things we have, to work together, because no one else will do it for us. Let us not fool ourselves. Let us not become helpless people. Let us utilize that which God has created in us and that which our ancestors left us. Let us utilize that which our land provides us, which Nature has given us. All these are our current available resources. All these are what I am referring to when I say, "We should use what we have, to create education for a sustainable African society." We could do this if only you and I, as well as those Africans, who are outside Africa, would come together and put our agendas on one common table. Both females and males, we all have a lot to give to each other, a lot to learn from each other. We cannot succeed without accepting that we can learn from both females and males, in our society. Each gender has skills, knowledge and experience they can share with the other gender in order to help sustain Africa and develop African nations. If we fail to do this, we will face problems that you and I will not be able to handle. What will be left except for us to run away from our own society? When we do that, we lose our sense of responsibility and our sense of self- esteem. When we do that, we become empty human beings, no matter what society we live in around the world! As we become empty, our society becomes weak; vulnerable to be blown by any wind that comes from any direction. This will happen if we no longer have any connection to our roots to keep us strong. We will have no roots to help germinate a strong, healthy new generation. Our society is sinking down into chaos and eventually, it may completely disappear. How could our society possibly disappear? This will happen because we don't have room for improvement. We have created only a small niche for our society that is as tiny as the eye of a needle. We are in the darkness and can no longer see light. Because we are fighting each other in this darkness, we feel we have no way to move forward or backward, left or right so just stay where we are and just become paralyzed. This impenetrable and paralyzing darkness is caused by the emptiness inside us; the emptiness at the center of our society. This emptiness within our society is shameful; it is an insult to ourselves, every human being in Africa. Yes, everyone wants to go to America, England, France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and the other Western countries, but why? Do you think all the things Europeans have in their society just appeared there one day? No; that is not true! Do you think only one person came up with ideas and created all those material things that we all cry for in Africa? No; it was not one person! Different people with different conflicting ideas struggled through disagreements because they believed in the hope of a more positive day for their own nations. In spite of their disagreements, their attitude was, "Regardless of our disagreements, there is much, of a positive nature, we can give to each other. We all can learn from each other. We can all contribute so that our nation can become one of the best." This was their dream for their society. What is our dream for our society, as Africans? Is it non- existence? Do we not dream? Yes, we dream but what is lacking is accountability! Accountability is lacking but most importantly, we lack the willingness to be pro-active in our own communities. This is what we are missing. Being pro-active means you don't just say, "I'd love to have this" or "I will do this" but you have to move yourself to work on creating, with your own resources at hand, that which you dream about and cry for and believe will benefit your society! You need to do this. You don't get it by sitting down and saying, "I have to have all these things right now." They don't come to you in one day. They will not drop from the sky. God will not give them to you overnight. God gave you a brain to think of ideas. God gave you all you need. You must be willing to use it in a more positive way to benefit your society. Yes, we can do it. But I am afraid that we are more interested in talking about them than in performing the actions that are actually needed. When will we be willing to perform the necessary action? Why do we have to wait for our neighbor to take action? The longer we wait, the longer we will be oppressed! As long as we are oppressed, what do we have to show for it besides more oppression? We have to turn around and look at ourselves and stop killing each other. We think that by killing each other we can get rid of what is oppressing us. Why do we continue to think that when it is clear that the more we kill each other, the more oppressed we become! Those who encourage us to believe that some of us are oppressing the rest of us are those outside of Africa. It is time to ask ourselves what purpose it serves outsiders for Africans to see each one another as oppressors. Viewing one another as oppressors creates conflict that wastes Africans' time, energy and valuable resources. The longer we believe it is other Africans that are oppressing us, the more wars and civil unrest weaken us. As we continue to weaken, the more dependent we become on outsiders. As long as we are dependent on them, as long as we do not have education for a sustainable African society, outsiders can do with us as THEY like and we will not even be able to see our culture, and valuable human and natural resources draining away. My question is, "If we Africans, who are outside Africa actually have better ideas than those who are in power in Africa, why don't we bring those ideas back to Africa to the discussion table in Africa?" Let us put everything, all of our ideas, on the table and see what will benefit our whole society. We need to view these ideas as not just our own or those of one political party or as ideas which originate with those who have higher education. We need to look at all these ideas to see how they can be applied in such a way that will be beneficial to Africa, from one generation to the next. We need to find ways to implement ideas in Africa so that the next generation will be able to easily modify and modernize what we establish and build today. This is what I call education for a sustainable African society. To me, education for a sustainable African society means to transform Africa so that our society is more accountable for itself. If educational systems fail to do this, they fail to accomplish their purpose in any society. This is what we Africans need to realize. Yes, indeed, we can look at each other and say, "Who is going to do this?" I say, "You and I have to do it." I declare 1998 as the year for self-reflection by Africans to think about education for a sustainable African society. United we stand, divided we fall. By Michael B.B. J. Gomez, Ph.D candidate Case Western Reserve University Weatherhead School of Management Department of Organizational Behavior Cleveland, Ohio U.S.A Home: 2772 Lancashire Rd. Apt. 2 Cleveland Heights, Ohio 44106 E-mail: Unnisaa@aol.com Fax: 216-932-2257 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:24:50 EST From: LBojang <LBojang@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: New Members Message-ID: <244351a6.34c23ae4@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi About your request for assistance for contact in Banjul, I have some in mind. Dembo F. Bojang at the Gambia national Lottery. Dembo is not a teacher but he wrote some books that helped prepare primary school students for common enterance exams. He may be able to give you a good starting point. Good luck. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:29:55 +0200 From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: (Fwd) Looking for Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anta Diop. Message-ID: <19980118173100.AAB70168@nijii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Gambia-l, Is there anyone on the list who can help in answering these questions. I am also interested to know if there is any autobiography on Cheikh Anta. Momodou Camara ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: MuyibiCin <MuyibiCin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:15:31 EST To: mcamara@post3.tele.dk Cc: MuyibiCin@aol.com Subject: Looking for Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anta Diop.!! Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) January 18, 1998 Dear MCamara: I came across your page on the WWW and thought perhaps you could help me with finding out if there is an Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anna Diop. I would like to find more about his personal life. Such things as was he married, if so how many marriages, did he have children, where was he born, how did he die, his age at the time of his death...etc I would like to do a thesis on on him. I'm fascinated with his contributions on the History of Africa and Civilization in general, and very much appreciate his scholarly study. If you know of such a book or where I can find additional information on the life and times of Cheikh Anna Diop your help would be of great value to many. Thanks Cin Muyibi Email: MuyibiCin@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:44:15 -0500 (EST) From: Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Gambia Education Support Plan/ REMINDER Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980118152932.26203C-100000@panther.Gsu.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hopefully, by now everyone has had an oppurtunity to read the Education Support Plan presented by Malanding on behalf of the Ed. Committee. So far we have received 5 ballots. Hopefully, we will receive more feedback/ballots in the comming week to enable us to move to the next step. Thanks...................Musa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:01:53 EST From: ABA LM <ABALM@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: telefone # Message-ID: <de485c36.34c289ec@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello everybody ! I need to get the telephone number of the Gambian Embassy in France. Maybe somebody has it and can forward it to me. I would appreciate it. Abba Sanneh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:37:14 -0400 (AST) From: Matthew Belford <ebbs@is2.dal.ca> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: unlist Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.980118213439.155288A-100000@is2.dal.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please unlist until further notice. Cheers! Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:11:56 -0600 From: "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com> To: "Gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: New Member Message-ID: <199801190321.VAA13939@tower.itis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, i've just subscribed Alieu Badara Senghore to our list. please join me in welcoming him to Gambia-L, and hoping he finds the list worthy of his while. and, Badou, please send us a brief self-introduction when you have the time. have a great week! Katim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:47:57 +0330 From: "malang maane" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: KYSU UNDERGRAD. FORMS Message-ID: <19980119033106.AAA3210@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, Could someone at kentucky state please request undergraduate application forms for my sister Aisatou Maane at the following address.. P.O.BOX 2258 SEREKUNDA KSMD THE GAMBIA W/AFRICA. It is highly appreciated...Waiting to hear from ya'll. Lang Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:25:37 +0330 From: "malang maane" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: KYSU UNDERGRAD. FORMS Message-ID: <19980119041154.AAB4423@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, If you guys have time please check out my homepage and give me some feedback.(http://home.att.net/~langjr Thank you very much Lang Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:37:56 +0330 From: "malang maane" <langjr@worldnet.att.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: webpage Message-ID: <19980119042048.AAA16275@kansala.avana.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gambia-Lers Please check out my page whenever time permits and make some criticisms.. Thank you. Lang Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:20:24 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Subscribe new member Message-ID: <9801190420.AA34980@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List managers, If it has not been done already, kindly subscribe brother Edi Jallow to the list. His email address is ederisa@aol.com. Gracias Amigos! Regards, Moe S. Jallow Hayes MicroComputer Products, Inc. Norcross, GA 30092 ===================================================================== mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:04:20 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Is It In Our Nature : A Discussion With Mr.Sidibeh!! Message-ID: <9801190504.AA27674@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Bass, Your counter-arguments have been, in my opinion, as they say, "right on the money". So to reciprocate, I would like to say, just as your favorite little saying goes, "keep up the good work down there". :-))). It's all good bro. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ======================================================================= mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:23:04 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: GambiaNet's Progress Report & Response to Recent Inquiries/ Message-ID: <9801190523.AA27846@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Momodou Camara (& GambiaNet), Thank you for the long awaited update on the Observer Online project. I thank you all kindly for your voluntary efforts that you have put into this project. As always, your efforts are always very much appreciated and hopefully you will continue the good work so that we can get to the final stages of the project through the same old process of volunteerism. Among other things, you wrote: > so maybe we should move forward and look to the future. I second the motion. And by the almighty's will, not what someone else thinks, we will achieve that better future that we are all looking forward to. > "To make friends is easy, just use pure ingredients"*** Could you please send me such "pure ingredients"? :-)))))))). I wish you all the best Tomaa. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ======================================================================= mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:34:08 -0600 From: "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com> To: "Gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: New Member - Edi Jallow Message-ID: <199801190644.AAA11733@tower.itis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, i just caught a request for an add from Modou Jallow and i proceeded to subscribe the person concerned, Edi Jallow. i did it for the simple reason that i'm still up! so my apologies to the list managers who would have ordinarily done this. i'm sure they're sound asleep. please join me in welcoming Edi to Gambia-L, and in hoping he finds our company worth his while. have a great week! Katim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:05:03 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: France '98 Message-ID: <9801190805.AA26876@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archi, you wrote: > > What are the chances of one of the qualified African teams to lift the Word > Cup trophy? > > The ratings out here in the papers here seem to suggest Nigeria as a > hopeful. > > What are the ratings elsewhere? > > I would like to know if possible. > > Regards to all. > Archi Greetings Archi, For a better respose to your question(s) above, I have forwared your message to the soccer list (SOCCER-L), of which I am also an active member. I recommended that they send their resposes to you personally at <archibald.graham@commit.gm>. FWIW, we did have very interesting debates on the prospects of this years world cup teams in France '98. I hope that you will get some insightful responses. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ======================================================================= mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:12:42 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Hello Dr. Kah Message-ID: <9801190812.AA24560@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dr. Kah, Are you still a member of Gambia-L? I have sent you some messages as promised during our last meeting but I still have not heard from you. I sent it to your email address after looking it up on the FILE LIST of Gambia-L. Is that address still your current and correct address? Please let me know. My regards to the family. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ====================================================================== mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:48:39 +0100 From: Per Grotnes <perg@nfh.uit.no> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Is It In Our Nature: A Discussion With Mr.Sidibeh - A CORRECTION! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980119114839.00695c50@draugen.nfh.uit.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 19:20 18.01.98 +0300, you wrote: >Part Two: > >CORRECTION:- > > >The Sentence: "Gambian Culture is an Moralized one" should have read : " >Gambian Culture is an ORALIZED one" > > >Regards Bassss! > Bass! you indeed are a wise man perG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:13:57 +0000 From: Abdou O Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SV: Endangered Gambian Beaches!! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980119121357.0076c514@alf.uib.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Fafa! At the time Bass forwarded the article (which I am already familiar with), I was thinking of appealing for your expertise and time. So your response was very timely. Thanks for the devotion. you wrote: "....lets put heads together for more ideas particular on management issues. It is time to call for ideas from experts such as Amadou Wadda at Delft and Abdou Gibba in Norway...." You have covered the physical aspects of the situation very articulately and I belief that many of us have now got a slight idea on the status quo. Looking from the social perspective, you wrote: "....my recommendation, without hesitation would be to look into the management of human activities in the coastal area. A better planning of the coastal zone is required... One of the way for such planning was what we (several government and municipal, and quassigovernment, planners, geologists, engineers, and economists) have recommended in the " Strategies for Integrated Coastal Zone Management in The Gambia ".( 1996)unpublished is to plan and enforce a setback line. That is to say to disallow any human activity within say 50 or 100 or 500 meters from the high water mark i.e the high tide mark. To determine this setback line a lot of work is required because you must determine accurately the rate of erosion, (up - to- date) at all the areas of the coastline, and also put other urgent socio-economic factors into consideration. For example you cannot put a port or ferry terminal at 50 or 500 metres away from the sea front..." I agree with your recommendation. I don't know what the recommendations of the "Strategies for Integrated Coastal Zone Management in The Gambia " are, but to the list of experts and agencies you mentioned, I would like to, if I may, identify other important partners in such management incentives. As the notion is clearly stating, "Integrated" Coastal Zone Management should integrate all parties who derive their livelihood from coastal areas. The range of these in Gambia may be (apart from those you already mentioned), the hotel industry, sand miners, fishermen, and in Banjul in particular, the muslim and christian community leaders who are tirelessly making efforts to save the remaining parts of the graveyards. As we have already discussed earlier on, the keyword here is "co-management". While government should take a leading role, all the other stake holders should be active partners in the process of managing our coastal area. Another important element in this process is public education and opinion without which many efforts made by any ICZM program might be wasteful. It is crucial for the public to be aware of such efforts in order to achieve appropriate and effective conservation. Regulative or restrictive measures you mentioned are fine and necessary but without adequate public awareness, they will not be respected to that significant level. Finally,a national CZM dept./agency should be established to co-ordinate the planning and management of our coast. In my opinion such a dept. or agency should have gained it's place in Gambia's public sector many years ago, given the physical structure of our tiny strip. I still can't figure out why we are still lacking back when it comes to this. As I am made to understand, most of the efforts being made are somehow short-term ?? (correct me). If there are or should be long-term plans, in my opinion, only a specialized dept./agency should be able to carry out such tasks appropriately and effectively. Hey Fafa, thanks again for your input and as it has become a popular slogan here... "Keep Up The Good Work Down There!" Regards, ::)))Abdou Oujimai ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:59:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk> To: Gambia Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Nigerians in South Africa! (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980119135852.17434A-100000@suma3.reading.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:27:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Mwangi Murage <kcu96mm2@reading.ac.uk> To: afro-caribbean@reading.ac.uk Subject: Re: Nigerians in South Africa! > > > >The Mail & Guardian > >139 Smit Street, Braamfontein, Johannesburg, South > >Africa > >Tel: 27-11-403-7111 | Fax: 27-11-403-1025 > >email: info@wmail.misanet.org > > > >They Came To Find Their Fortune - Instead They Lost > >Their Souls > > > >October 17, 1997 > >By Emeka Nwandiko > > > >JOHANNESBURG - Contrary to the widely held belief, > >there are honest, hard-working Nigerians living in > >South Africa, but many of them are too scared to own > >up to their nationality. > > > >Despite his neatly coiffured hair and delicate pencil > >moustache, Sammi's serenity is betrayed by the > >violent gesticulations of his arms towards the street > >beyond his hairdressing salon in Hillbrow. > > > >Outside a car stereo blasts Nigerian fuji reggae music, > >adding to the already chaotic scene. People line the > >streets, some in heated discussion, while idle minds' > >eyes stare at passers-by, diffuse smoke rises from a > >braai where a crowd watches cow intestines being > >grilled, bedsheets and clothing hang unceremoniously > >from a myriad of balconies. > > > >A skinny white prostitute crosses the street in the hope > >of being solicited by one of three black occupants of a > >car that has pulled up outside a hotel. Trees that line > >either side of the street look like menacing statues > >without their leaves. It looks and feels like an urban > >squatter camp for nationals from the African continent. > > > >Sammi says despondently: "South Africa is not a > >place for Nigerians to live." He arrived in South > >Africa over a year ago, lured by the prospect of > >working in an economy far superior to that of his > >native Nigeria. > > > >Dressed modestly in a white T-shirt and blue jeans, he > >says he had intended to work as a quantity surveyor in > >South Africa, but he was not granted a work permit. > >Now he works as a barber in a three-by-three metre > >brick hut which he built nine months after he arrived. > >Sublime it isn't: a single antiquated hairdryer stands > >solemn guard in a corner, while two assistants lie fast > >asleep huddled in a heap on plastic chairs. > > > >The 38-year-old father of four says trade is sluggish > >but he thinks it will improve as summer approaches. > >Nevertheless, he has found that despite his sincere > >efforts, he is viewed with a degree of suspicion by > >sections of the host society. "I started out by borrowing > >money to buy clippers and a tent so I could cut hair on > >the pavement here in Hillbrow, and even though I built > >this shack with my bare hands, I am called a drug > >dealer," he says. > > > >Nigerians have found living in South Africa a bit of a > >culture shock, to say the least. Some had thought that > >on arrival they would be welcomed with open arms out > >of gratitude to the government of Nigeria for its role in > >providing arms and cash to the African National > >Congress during its protracted battle to end the last > >bastion of white rule on the African continent. > > > >Instead, Nigerians have found - much to their > >amazement - that black South Africans have a rather > >insular attitude which, at times, explodes into > >xenophobic fits of rage. During a demonstration > >against foreign street traders in Johannesburg last > >month, Sammi, a Yoruba (one of three main Nigerian > >ethnic groups) from western Nigeria, says he was > >lucky that his shop was not torched by a mob on the > >rampage. > > > >He says he cannot understand why he and other black > >foreigners (who are called, collectively, kwere-kwere) > >are so loathed when they are simply conducting > >business at a time when black South Africans feel too > >proud to do menial jobs and do not have the same > >level of entrepreneurial acumen as their West African > >counterparts. > > > >Nigerians live in fear of their lives in a country > >reminiscent of the old Wild West: where disputes are > >more likely to be settled with the pull of a trigger than > >the flapping of the tongue. Every Nigerian in Hillbrow > >knows of a compatriot who has been gunned down. > >Sammi still cannot believe that three of his closest > >friends are dead, shot in bars while having a drink. > >Since the murders, Sammi has curtailed his late- night > >soirees into bars and clubs lest he suffer the same > >fate. > > > >Not only do they live in dread - law- abiding Nigerians > >are saddled with the image of being fiendishly corrupt, > >drug- dealing individuals linked to any one of the > >numerous financial scams exposed by the media and > >busted by the much overworked South African Police > >Service. > > > >Nigerians have found, to their cost, that even to > >whisper in a crowded room their nationality would > >be a foolhardy exercise, as they are very likely to run > >the risk of being shunned, abused or ridiculed by the > >company they keep. Some Nigerians say they have > >had the misfortune of mentioning their nationality in > >Hillbrow to SAPS officials. The result, it is claimed, is > >several nights in detention without charge in the new > >democratic South Africa. > > > >Dr Raymond Nkado, a lecturer in quantity surveying at > >Witwatersrand University, is all chuckles when he > >recalls the time when he was constantly ribbed by his > >head of department on whether he "had the stuff?" - a > >reference to cocaine. At the time he was overwhelmed > >by a deep sense of shame at the villainy of some of > >his compatriots. > > > >In his plush office in Sandton, Johannesburg, the head > >of the Union Bank of Nigeria in South Africa, Austin > >Aikhorin, says people react with shock, followed by a > >deep wariness, when he mentions that he is a > >Nigerian. > > > >As a defensive ploy, Nigerians do not disclose their > >country of origin, let alone allow themselves to be seen > >within a metre of their compatriots (unless, of course, > >they live in Hillbrow). A diplomat at the Nigerian > >consulate in Johannesburg reveals there are many > >expatriate Nigerians who have spent over a year > >working for reputable firms in South Africa, but have > >decided to live incognito because of the stigma > >attached to being a Nigerian. > > > >This strange behaviour of Nigerians prompted a > >much-travelled South African businessman, MK > >Malefane, to remark that most of the Nigerians he has > >met outside South Africa are a felicitious bunch who > >like all to know they are fun-loving people. But "the > >Nigerians I have met in this country have lost their > >soul". Life for the Nigerian in South Africa is one of > >virtual social isolation, almost as if apartheid were still > >in place. > > > >There are an estimated 10 000 Nigerians residing in > >South Africa, living in two distinct and exclusively > >separate communities. The haves - doctors, university > >lecturers and teachers, and the managing consultant - > >generally live in the northern suburbs of Johannesburg; > >and the have-nots -university graduates and small > >businessmen, denied work permits - languish in the > >depths of Hillbrow. The former are contemptuous of > >the latter for bringing shame to their country and > >forcing them to live like hermits. The latter only wish > >for their dilemma to be heard. Never the twain shall > >meet. > > > >But there is one thing they do have in common: a > >strong sense of patriotism and of living abroad in > >self-exile. A vast proportion of Nigerians believe they > >have no option but to seek prosperity abroad. In a > >sense, the Nigerian migrational trend is comparable to > >the flight of white South Africans to New Zealand, > >Australia, Europe and North America, which has > >increased over the years since the transfer of power > >from the white minority population to the black majority > >in 1994. > > > >Both exoduses are political in origin: one born out of > >fear of what the country might become; and the other > >a result of what the country has become after nearly > >40 years of self-rule. > > > >In Nigeria today the infrastructure is either degraded or > >dilapidated. It is virtually impossible to drive a distance > >in Nigeria equivalent to Johannesburg-to-Cape Town > >without causing serious harm to yourself, or damage > >to your vehicle. Interstate highways are not just riddled > >with pot-holes; whole gullies intersect roads, making > >them treacherously impassable. Despite being > >blessed with abundant mineral resources, electricity > >blackouts - some lasting more than five hours - are the > >norm. > > > >Even more remarkable is the fact that a country > >whose chief export is crude oil - over 90 - in parts > >of the south, where oil is extracted, kilometre-long > >queues for petrol are not an uncommon sight. > > > >Among the Nigerian community here in Johannesburg > >a joke is currently doing the rounds. > > > >As part of the conclusion of a world economic summit > >during the 1980s, each head of state paid homage to > >God and asked Him when their respective countries > >would be self-sufficient. The Almighty boomed to each > >of them in turn that it would happen, but not in their > >lifetime. Crestfallen and much in tears the delegates > >returned home. > > > >When it came the turn of the Nigerian head of state to > >ask when his country would be self-sufficient, it was > >God who wept, replying: "It won't happen in My > >lifetime." > > > >Nowhere is the sense of a nation foresaken by its God > >more evident than outside The Sands Hotel in Hillbrow, > >one of several hotels in the area where Nigerians have > >formed colonies. With Star beer drunk in abundance > >and Igbo, one of the three main Nigerian languages, > >the lingua franca, one would be forgiven for thinking > >one is in an eastern Nigerian town. > > > >The conditions inside the hotel are squalid. There is > >also much talk among lodgers of not being able to > >afford the rent; a majority of the lodgers are > >unemployed. Rooms designed for one person sleep > >four people instead. At any one time, up to 100 > >Nigerians can be seen outside the hotel, engaged in > >different activities. On a patch of derelict land a small > >group watches a game of table tennis, some are in > >deep conversation, others roam the streets, more still > >are drinking bottles of Star beer. The rest deal in > >drugs. > > > >It is not hard to witness drug transactions taking place. > >A car drives into the hotel parking lot. The occupants, > >usually white, hand over money to a look-out who > >promptly disappears. Within seconds an accomplice > >appears and hands over what looks like pipes to the > >driver of the vehicle. All this is ignored by police who > >constantly patrol the area. > > > >Michael, a rather handsome man in his mid- twenties, > >is spokesman for his peers from his community in > >Nigeria. He explains their plight: "We came to this > >country because we thought there was a greater > >prospect of finding work." > > > >When asked about the drug dealing reputation of > >Nigerians, the becapped Michael professes to know > >nothing about the illicit trade. But he adds wryly: > >"Nigerians are involved because it is the only way to > >earn some money to get out of this country." And he > >offers the information that those who peddle drugs > >earn little money, as it is a commission- based job. > > > >He is quick to blame the Chinese, Pakistanis, and > >Indians for importing drugs into South Africa and asks > >the indignant question: "Have you ever heard of > >cocaine being made in Nigeria?" > > > >He is joined by Nnamdi, with whom he studied for a > >political science degree at the University of Nsukka in > >eastern Nigeria. Nnamdi interjects: "We are stranded > >here. If someone gave us a ticket to leave South Africa > >today we would gladly take it" - but only if the > >destination is anywhere other than Nigeria. > > > >A cellphone rings. Nnamdi is in deep conversation for > >a few minutes. He returns and announces that the pair > >have been advised by a friend in America to apply for a > >US green card in the lottery scheme run by the US > >government. > > > >Such is the desperation of Nigeria's youth that they are > >willing to gamble their future in any country but their > >own which, they feel, has failed effectively to use its > >own natural resource, namely, its citizens, as a result > >of rampant corruption and economic mismanagement. > > > >As if to emphasise the point Edwin, who once had a > >legitimate pharmaceutical business in Lagos, the > >commercial capital of Nigeria, says forlornly: "****-all > >is happening here and back home." He darts off > >towards a car to solicit the needs of its occupants. > > > >Ask any of the Nigerians, young men in their prime - > >each with a university degree or a background in small > >business - and the reply is often the same. Emenike, a > >recent graduate in economic science at the University > >of Port Harcourt in south- eastern Nigeria, and Ali, a > >computer components salesman, comment on the > >disastrous state of affairs back home. They strongly > >urge the need to end corruption and build a stable > >economy. Ask them what can be done to achieve > >these goals and derisive laughter is the reply. > > > >There is nothing more pitiful than to hear a people > >crying out to be saved by their country. There is > >nothing more disheartening than to see the failure of > >will and imagination among these same people as the > >main cause of their woes. > > > >Aikhorin is certain that democracy will be the panacea > >for all his country's ills. "What they want to see is > >political stability," says the banker. He astutely warns > >that if the current state of affairs continues, Nigeria > >"will remain stagnant - or get worse". > > > >The khaki-clad businessmen who run the country have > >earmarked 1998 as the year when political power will > >be transferred to a democratically elected head of > >state. For the first time in its history, the northern > >hegemony that has steadfastly gripped Nigeria since > >independence will be relinquished, with the > >introduction of a unique formula of power-sharing > >among the diverse regions of the country. > > > >Whether this arrangement will work in a country that > >has well over 250 ethnic groups and a population > >above 100-million is anyone's guess. > > > >Nevertheless, Nigerians in South Africa hope the reins > >of political power will be firmly in the grasp of civilians > >by October 1998 and beyond. However, many seem to > >have forgotten that civilians are equally to blame for > >Nigeria's turbulent past. Six years after independence > >in 1960 bitter ethnic rivalry resulted in the deaths of > >thousands, and the army intervened in an > >unsuccessful attempt to arrest the disintegration of the > >new republic into regionalism and anarchy. > > > >Many of the young men outside The Sands Hotel were > >not even born when their parents fought a savage > >three-year civil war when Igbos from the eastern > >region attempted to secede from the federation to form > >the Republic of Biafra in 1967. > > > >They were teenagers about to enter university in the > >early 1980s when their elders failed them yet again > >during Nigerias second experiment with democracy. It > >was a time when education was a growth industry - > >textbooks were scarce, teachers were on strike but it > >seemed that every state government had enough > >resources to build a university in every local > >government capital; one was even called Pope John > >Paul University. > > > >To put an end to this madness, the military intervened. > >In a radio broadcast, Sani Abacha, then a brigadier, > >proclaimed to stunned citizens that he and his > >colleagues in the armed forces deemed it necessary > >to "effect change in the system of government" after > >excessive "squandermania" (corruption) by civilians. > > > >The country's political instability is borne out by the > >composition of its exiles. A vast majority of Nigerians > >are southerners by origin. It is rare to find a northerner > >in the depths of Hillbrow or lecturing at Wits; one finds > >them in high government positions or in the diplomatic > >corps. Since independence northerners have > >dominated Nigerian political history, which explains, to > >an extent, why the presidential elections of 1993 were > >annulled. > > > >The avidity of generals aside, Nigeria stands to be in a > >unique position if its impending and latest experiment > >with democracy succeeds. It will be the first ethnically > >diverse country with a huge population in Africa to > >settle harmoniously, once and for all, the competing > >aspirations of ethnic groups within one boundary. > > > >It could be the first to keep the generals (and aspiring > >ones) where they belong: in the barracks, and not in > >the business of arresting the development of millions > >as if they were commodities to be disposed of during > >their quest for power and self- aggrandisement. > > > >And if the experiment fails? Life as an exile in South > >Africa will continue unabated for the men standing > >around The Sands Hotel in Hillbrow, and for thousands > >more. Bogeyman or not, who - in their right mind > >-wants that? > > > >Copyright * 1997 Mail and Guardian. Distributed via > >Africa News Online(www.africanews.org). > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:41:23 -0400 (AST) From: Fafa Sanyang <fsanyang@is2.dal.ca> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SV: Endangered Gambian Beaches!! Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.980119103453.184152A-100000@is2.dal.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Abdou, Thanks for your comments and your invaluable imput. You are very right in your suggestion for A specialized CZM Agency and public participation. Actually the National Environment Agency is currently responsible for CZM, coordinated by a one person programme officer. I am writing another paper on " Institutional Framework and Capacity Building for Integrated Coastal Zone Management in The Gambia". Your ideas as usual is once again solicited. On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Abdou O Gibba wrote: > Fafa! > > At the time Bass forwarded the article (which I am already familiar with), I > was thinking of appealing for your expertise and time. So your response was > very timely. Thanks for the devotion. > > you wrote: > > "....lets put heads together for more ideas particular on management issues. > It is time to call for ideas from experts such as Amadou Wadda at Delft and > Abdou Gibba in Norway...." > > You have covered the physical aspects of the situation very articulately and > I belief that many of us have now got a slight idea on the status quo. > Looking from the social perspective, you wrote: > > "....my recommendation, without hesitation would be to look into the > management of human activities in the coastal area. A better planning of the > coastal zone is required... One of the way for such planning was what we > (several government and municipal, and quassigovernment, planners, > geologists, engineers, and economists) have recommended in the " Strategies > for Integrated Coastal Zone Management in The Gambia ".( 1996)unpublished is > to plan and enforce a setback line. That is to say to disallow any human > activity within say 50 or 100 or 500 meters from the high water mark i.e the > high tide mark. To determine this setback line a lot of work is required > because you must determine accurately the rate of erosion, (up - to- date) > at all the areas of the coastline, and also put other urgent socio-economic > factors into consideration. For example you cannot put a port or ferry > terminal at 50 or 500 metres away from the sea front..." > > I agree with your recommendation. I don't know what the recommendations of > the "Strategies for Integrated Coastal Zone Management in The Gambia " are, > but to the list of experts and agencies you mentioned, I would like to, if I > may, identify other important partners in such management incentives. As the > notion is clearly stating, "Integrated" Coastal Zone Management should > integrate all parties who derive their livelihood from coastal areas. The > range of these in Gambia may be (apart from those you already mentioned), > the hotel industry, sand miners, fishermen, and in Banjul in particular, the > muslim and christian community leaders who are tirelessly making efforts to > save the remaining parts of the graveyards. As we have already discussed > earlier on, the keyword here is "co-management". While government should > take a leading role, all the other stake holders should be active partners > in the process of managing our coastal area. > > Another important element in this process is public education and opinion > without which many efforts made by any ICZM program might be wasteful. It is > crucial for the public to be aware of such efforts in order to achieve > appropriate and effective conservation. Regulative or restrictive measures > you mentioned are fine and necessary but without adequate public awareness, > they will not be respected to that significant level. > > Finally,a national CZM dept./agency should be established to co-ordinate the > planning and management of our coast. In my opinion such a dept. or agency > should have gained it's place in Gambia's public sector many years ago, > given the physical structure of our tiny strip. I still can't figure out why > we are still lacking back when it comes to this. As I am made to understand, > most of the efforts being made are somehow short-term ?? (correct me). If > there are or should be long-term plans, in my opinion, only a specialized > dept./agency should be able to carry out such tasks appropriately and > effectively. > > Hey Fafa, thanks again for your input and as it has become a popular slogan > here... "Keep Up The Good Work Down There!" > > Regards, > ::)))Abdou Oujimai > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:38:42 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Nigerians in South Africa! (fwd) Message-ID: <01bd24f0$51fb0c00$512385c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >There is nothing more pitiful than to hear a people >> >crying out to be saved by their country. There is >> >nothing more disheartening than to see the failure of >> >will and imagination among these same people as the >> >main cause of their woes. **************************************************************************** *********************** Mr.Jawara! Thanks for that great forward,and keep up the good work down there! Regards Bassss! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:32:19 -0000 From: "ffhc.banjul@commit.gm" <gambia-l@COMMIT.GM> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: France '98 Message-ID: <B0000039172@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Freedom From Hunger Campaign" <FFHC.BANJUL@COMMIT.GM> via Commit Hi Moe Thanks for the consideration. I'm looking forward to getting the response from the SOCCER-L regards Archi ---------- > For a better respose to your question(s) above, I have forwared your > message to the soccer list (SOCCER-L), of which I am also an active > member. I recommended that they send their resposes to you personally at > <archibald.graham@commit.gm>. FWIW, we did have very interesting debates > on the prospects of this years world cup teams in France '98. I hope that > you will get some insightful responses. > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > ======================================================================= > mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:37:32 EST From: BAKSAWA <BAKSAWA@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Subscription Message-ID: <968455ad.34c3814e@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit List Managers: My brother Adama Sey was recently added to the list, and consequently receiving postings from the Bantaba. However, in the last two weeks, he did not get mail and was wondering if his name was removed from the list. If this is the case, Adama wants to stay on the list and will be appreciative if you would send him mail at: as2eng@bolton.ac.uk Thanks in advance. Awa Sey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:20:54 +0200 From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Subscription Message-ID: <19980119172206.AAA85620@nijii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Adama has been added again. Some people are automatically removed by the list server if it keeps on receiving error messages from the other end. Regards, Momodou Camara On 19 Jan 98 at 11:37, BAKSAWA wrote: > List Managers: > > My brother Adama Sey was recently added to the list, and > consequently receiving postings from the Bantaba. However, in the > last two weeks, he did not get mail and was wondering if his name > was removed from the list. If this is the case, Adama wants to stay > on the list and will be appreciative if you would send him mail at: > as2eng@bolton.ac.uk > > Thanks in advance. > > Awa Sey ******************************************************* http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara **"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:12:52 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: This just in.... Message-ID: <9801191812.AA34476@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings folks, I just heard that Mr. Omar Njie, secretary for Foreign affairs has been replaced by Mr. Sedat Jobe. Could anyone confirm this? What prompted the sudden replacement? Thank you. Regards, Moe s. Jallow ======================================================================== mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:04:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/19-19:34 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c3a3d5.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: Subscription The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:04:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/19-19:34 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c3a3d3.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: Re: Subscription The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:57:30 -0000 From: "archibald.graham@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: New Passports Message-ID: <B0000039353@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> via Commit With the kind and consented permission of the Management of HIBAAR *, I reproduce the following front page article in this week's free issue of HIBAAR: "Major Bojang tells Hibaar about new passports" "Government is to introduce new passports, Momodou Bojang, Secretary of State for the Interior, has told Hibaar. "Speaking to our reporter in his office, Major Bojang said new passport are needed because the existing ones 'can easily be forged'. "He continued: 'The Gambian passport is not up to the security standard that we want it to be.' The new passport will be difficult to forge. "The secretary of state said present passport-holders will be given a 'year of grace' in which to acquire new ones. He added that the fee for the new passport will remain D250....... ".........He stressed that the new (car) number plates will be unlike those at present in use. The issuing of them will be computerised and linked to number plate data in countries such as Guinea Bissau, Mauritania, and Senegal, so that car theft can be swiftly countered. "Major Bojang said that recent attackers on a Casamance Village had arrived in vehicles bearing Gambian number plates - 'which can easily be forged'. "The secretary of state said the new high-security number plates will be reflective at night, thus helping to cut down accidents......" * - Hibaar is a new free newspaper published weekly by HIBAAR, P O Box 2745, Serrekunda, The Gambia. Tel. 497939 Regards Archi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:32:06 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Toshiba Laptops Message-ID: <9801192032.AA39222@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit James, A new file has just been released that might be the cure for all your headaches. Browsing through the Toshiba site today, I came accross the following file : CWINFFIX.EXE 195, 355 Bytes It is an updated WIZ.EXE and repair utility to fix problem with CardWorks and Win95 (especially Win95 OSR2) where PC cards are not properly recognized. I recommend that you download it and take a look at the README file, as it claims to be the fix for the dreaded error of PCMCIA cards in most of the newer Toshiba laptops. I also hope that our friends at NEC will soon come up with their own versions of the fix to eradicate the "could not open port" error that has become a nuissance in the NEC VERSA M/75 notebooks. As for IBM, I'm still waiting for Frank to send me the MOT files for beta testing on the Satelite S10 notebook. As of yet, no errors have been reported and therefore no calls for any alarms. Let me know of any last minute changes by tomorrow evening. Thanks much. Moe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:25:01 EST From: TSaidy1050 <TSaidy1050@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: The Gambia has a Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs Message-ID: <d6431001.34c3b6a0@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Gambia -l, PRESS RELEASE In exercise of the powers conferred on him under Section 71 (1) and 71 (3) 0f the Constitution of the Republic of The Gambia, His Excellency the President, Retired Colonel Yahya A J J Jammeh has with effect from today 19th January, 1998, appointed:- Dr. Momodou Lamin Sedat Jobe as Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to succeed Mr. Omar Y Njie who has been relieved of his appointment in accordance with Section 71 (4) (b) of the Constitution of The Republic of The Gambia. Office of The President State House Banjul 19th January, 1998 Dr. Jobe was until his appointment the regional representative of UNESCO based in Dakar. For the past three years he has been The Gambia's Ambassador at large. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:55:45 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Toshiba Laptops Message-ID: <9801192055.AA34598@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In the words of Homer Simpson, "DOH!!!" Folks, I apologize for sending to the list the previous message with heading Re: Toshiba Laptops. This was an oversight on my part as it was never intended for the list or any list member(s). In the midst of a rather busy day, I must have lost my head somewhere along the way. Once again, I apologize for the inconvenience. Regards, Moe S. Jallow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:01:53 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: The Gambia has a Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs Message-ID: <9801192101.AA45750@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tombong, Thanks for the confirmation. Regards, Moe S. Jallow > > Gambia -l, > > PRESS RELEASE > > In exercise of the powers conferred on him under Section 71 (1) and 71 (3) 0f > the Constitution of the Republic of The Gambia, His Excellency the President, > Retired Colonel Yahya A J J Jammeh has with effect from today 19th January, > 1998, appointed:- > > Dr. Momodou Lamin Sedat Jobe as Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to > succeed Mr. Omar Y Njie who has been relieved of his appointment in accordance > with Section 71 (4) (b) of the Constitution of The Republic of The Gambia. > > > Office of The President > State House > Banjul > 19th January, 1998 > > > > Dr. Jobe was until his appointment the regional representative of UNESCO based > in Dakar. For the past three years he has been The Gambia's Ambassador at > large. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:07:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/19-21:37 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c3c0af.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: This just in.... The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:10:33 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/19-21:37 Automatic MimeLink Message (fwd) Message-ID: <9801192110.AA42040@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List managers, The following error message is resent to me everytime I send a message to gambia-L. Can you help? Regards, Moe S. Jallow ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Concerning your message with subject: > This just in.... > > The message can not be delivered because > the following recipients could not be reached: > > amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:10:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/19-22:40 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c3cf46.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: 01/19-19:34 Automatic MimeLink Message The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:10:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/19-22:40 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c3cf48.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: New Passports The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:10:05 -0000 From: "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: This just in.... Message-ID: <B0000039510@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Pa Musa Jallow" <pmj@commit.gm> via Commit Mr Jallow, This is so and it has been announced over the wire..why?? no reason given yet except the President exercising his powers under sections 212.??? of the Constitution and that Dr.or Mr Lamin Sedat Jobe is the new Secretary of State. Head of State.. pmj ---------- > From: Modou Jallow <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:23:35 -0000 From: "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: "gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Bush List Message-ID: <B0000039511@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Pa Musa Jallow" <pmj@commit.gm> via Commit Folks, please help me enlist on the bush list..I will take any warrior name assigned thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:20:36 -0800 (PST) From: badjie karafa sw <badjiek@unixg.ubc.ca> To: ABA LM <ABALM@aol.com> Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>, ; Subject: Re: telefone # Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980119161607.9199A-100000@netinfo2.ubc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Abba, Please try The Gambia Web Site (WWW.gambia.com) because it has a minidirectory of government telephone numbers including foreign offices. I hope that help! Karafa Badjie UBC, Vancouver @e, On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, ABA LM wrote: > Hello everybody ! > > I need to get the telephone number of the Gambian Embassy in France. > Maybe somebody has it and can forward it to me. > > I would appreciate it. > > Abba Sanneh > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:52:41 PST From: "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anta Diop. Message-ID: <19980120005242.3227.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Greetings Momodou: The book entitled, 'GREAT AFRICAN THINKERS - Vol. 1: Cheikh Anta Diop' Edited by Ivan Van Sertima will answer all the questions you raised concerning Diop's biographical info. It also includes articles by noted scholars each writing on one of the many areas of research Diop's scholarly investigations focused on. ISSN 0270-2495 ISBN 0-88738-680-6 BTW, Feb 7 is the 12 year anniversary of his departure from this world. It would be a great idea if we could dedicate an entire week (either ending or beginning on the 7th) honoring his memory on gambia-l. The best way to do so would be for us to discuss his contributions, by first publishing excerpts of his works representative of his multi-disciplinary approach to the resurrection of African civilization, then discussing them and their relevance to us as gambians/Africans. It is sad that to this day many among us have yet to acquaint themselves with a man who has been named as 'one of two persons in the Black world who most significantly contributed to the consciousness of Black people this century'! Regards, LatJor >From gambia-l-owner@u.washington.edu Sun Jan 18 09:32:47 1998 >Received: from host (server@lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP > id JAA37046; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:32:44 -0800 >Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP > id JAA48120 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:31:11 -0800 >Received: from mail-in1.inet.tele.dk (mail-in1.inet.tele.dk [194.182.148.158]) > by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP > id JAA04190 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:31:06 -0800 >Received: (qmail 25068 invoked from network); 18 Jan 1998 17:31:05 -0000 >Received: from post3.tele.dk (194.239.134.166) > by mail-in1.inet.tele.dk with SMTP; 18 Jan 1998 17:31:05 -0000 >Received: from nijii ([194.239.169.37]) by post3.tele.dk > (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAB70168 > for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:31:04 +0100 >Message-Id: <19980118173100.AAB70168@nijii> >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:29:55 +0200 >Reply-To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu >Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) >To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> >Subject: (Fwd) Looking for Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anta Diop. >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >Gambia-l, >Is there anyone on the list who can help in answering these >questions. I am also interested to know if there is any autobiography >on Cheikh Anta. > >Momodou Camara > > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >From: MuyibiCin <MuyibiCin@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:15:31 EST >To: mcamara@post3.tele.dk >Cc: MuyibiCin@aol.com >Subject: Looking for Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anta >Diop.!! Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > >January 18, 1998 > > >Dear MCamara: > >I came across your page on the WWW and thought perhaps you could help >me with finding out if there is an Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh >Anna Diop. I would like to find more about his personal life. Such >things as was he married, if so how many marriages, did he have >children, where was he born, how did he die, his age at the time of >his death...etc I would like to do a thesis on on him. I'm >fascinated with his contributions on the History of Africa and >Civilization in general, and very much appreciate his scholarly study. > If you know of such a book or where I can find additional information >on the life and times of Cheikh Anna Diop your help would be of great >value to many. > >Thanks >Cin Muyibi > >Email: MuyibiCin@aol.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:54:36 -0800 From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: New Passports Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980119215436.00692178@mail.interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You are really doing a good job Archi. Thanks a lot. Keep up with the good work down there. your pieces of information often come in handy. Paul Gibba. At 06:57 PM 1/19/98 -0000, you wrote: >Sent by "Archibald H. R. Graham" <archibald.graham@commit.gm> > via Commit > > >With the kind and consented permission of the Management of HIBAAR *, I >reproduce the following front page article in this week's free issue of >HIBAAR: > >"Major Bojang tells Hibaar about new passports" > >"Government is to introduce new passports, Momodou Bojang, Secretary of >State for the Interior, has told Hibaar. > >"Speaking to our reporter in his office, Major Bojang said new passport are >needed because the existing ones 'can easily be forged'. > >"He continued: 'The Gambian passport is not up to the security standard >that we want it to be.' The new passport will be difficult to forge. > >"The secretary of state said present passport-holders will be given a 'year >of grace' in which to acquire new ones. He added that the fee for the new >passport will remain D250....... > >".........He stressed that the new (car) number plates will be unlike those >at present in use. The issuing of them will be computerised and linked to >number plate data in countries such as Guinea Bissau, Mauritania, and >Senegal, so that car theft can be swiftly countered. > >"Major Bojang said that recent attackers on a Casamance Village had arrived >in vehicles bearing Gambian number plates - 'which can easily be forged'. > >"The secretary of state said the new high-security number plates will be >reflective at night, thus helping to cut down accidents......" > >* - Hibaar is a new free newspaper published weekly by HIBAAR, P O Box >2745, Serrekunda, The Gambia. Tel. 497939 > >Regards >Archi > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:16:28 +0200 From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) To: "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anta Message-ID: <19980120061744.AAD17084@nijii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks Latjor, and I look forward to learning more about this great African!!! Momodou Camara On 19 Jan 98 at 16:52, latjor ndow wrote: > Greetings Momodou: > > The book entitled, 'GREAT AFRICAN THINKERS - Vol. 1: Cheikh Anta > Diop' Edited by Ivan Van Sertima will answer all the questions you > raised concerning Diop's biographical info. It also includes > articles by noted scholars each writing on one of the many areas of > research Diop's scholarly investigations focused on. ISSN 0270-2495 > ISBN 0-88738-680-6 > > BTW, Feb 7 is the 12 year anniversary of his departure from this > world. It would be a great idea if we could dedicate an entire week > (either ending or beginning on the 7th) honoring his memory on > gambia-l. The best way to do so would be for us to discuss his > contributions, by first publishing excerpts of his works > representative of his multi-disciplinary approach to the > resurrection of African civilization, then discussing them and their > relevance to us as gambians/Africans. It is sad that to this day > many among us have yet to acquaint themselves with a man who has > been named as 'one of two persons in the Black world who most > significantly contributed to the consciousness of Black people this > century'! > > Regards, > LatJor > > >Gambia-l, > >Is there anyone on the list who can help in answering these > >questions. I am also interested to know if there is any autobiography > >on Cheikh Anta. > > > >Momodou Camara > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:00:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/19-23:42 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c44b78.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: The Gambia has a Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:00:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/19-23:42 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c44b7a.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: 01/19-21:37 Automatic MimeLink Message (fwd) The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:00:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/19-23:42 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c44b7c.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: 01/19-21:37 Automatic MimeLink Message The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:00:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/19-23:42 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c44b7e.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: Re: Toshiba Laptops The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:18:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c44fcb.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: Re: The Gambia has a Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:18:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c44fdd.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: 01/19-22:40 Automatic MimeLink Message The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:18:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c44fd2.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anta Diop. The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:18:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c44fd1.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: Re: This just in.... The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:18:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c44fcf.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: Re: telefone # The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:18:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c44fd5.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: Re: New Passports The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:18:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c44fcd.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: Re: Bush List The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:08:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/20-08:53 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c45b70.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for Autobiography/Biography on Cheikh Anta The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:13:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/20-09:58 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c46aca.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: 01/19-23:42 Automatic MimeLink Message The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:13:00 +0100 From: postmaster@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: 01/20-09:58 Automatic MimeLink Message Message-ID: <34c46abb.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Concerning your message with subject: 01/20-08:03 Automatic MimeLink Message The message can not be delivered because the following recipients could not be reached: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:32:24 +2000 From: mmjeng@image.dk To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: 01/19-21:37 Automatic MimeLink Message (fwd) Message-ID: <199801200933.KAA07408@mail.image.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:10:33 -0500 (EST) > Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: 01/19-21:37 Automatic MimeLink Message (fwd) > List managers, > > The following error message is resent to me everytime I send a message to > gambia-L. Can you help? > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Concerning your message with subject: > > This just in.... > > > > The message can not be delivered because > > the following recipients could not be reached: > > > > amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no > I .have the same problem with different subjects like for eg.Re: New Passports, Re: Bush List, Re:introduction and so on. I have so far counted 20 messages of this kind even though I have not sent any messages to the list recently. Greetings Matarr M. Jeng. [/quote]   Check here to include your profile signature.